UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn

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Nothing so far out at NGC 7822, just data survey caches in space and a few data point intels planetside. I'll spend another day or two out here while I finish scanning the S171 cluster but I'm pretty much convinced there's nothing of note out here and I'll be back to the bubble by the end of the week.
 
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Pretty much why I'm not actively doing anything towards this effort right now. My main account is a few hundred LY away from Barnard's Loop now, not because I'm looking for the Meta-Alloys, but because I want to go out there as I haven't yet. If I found them, whoop de doo, but I'm not looking there anymore.

My second account farmed UA's long enough to get a Vulture and is now smashing Conflict Zones back home near Sitakapa to flip systems for the Imperial factions in that region. Granted, I just bugreported a war that the Imperial faction won, but didn't flip the station over, so the BGS isn't all that hot either, but when I run 1m worth of combat bonds into station, I get roughly a 2.5% bump in influence for my supported faction; that is, I do something, and I get the expected results. There's a pulse, I can track it, I can work out what's going on. If there's an influence swing against me despite my best efforts, it means someone is working against me, but I can interact with it. I can find somewhere else, fight back, all sorts of things.

I got the sads about Walker Survey before (which still hasn't been affected with another 50 delivered by my second account), because everything in the news gave all the indicators that "Selling UAs at stations causes issues for them". FD concurred with that train of thought by publishing a variety of player and non-player articles pointing the finger at the UAs, yet Walker Survey still stands. Who knows why, and we'll probably never know, because unlike the Civil Wars I fight...

This has no pulse.

There's nothing to follow. Literally. We barely found the free-floaters despite the idea floating around (from Riz and others) about 7 markings on the UA, 7 sisters and all that jazz, but it was chance. It was also complete chance that we found the UA shell, mostly as it happened to be in the area we were working in.

Now we have meta-alloys, which are by all accounts likely to be found in an area somewhere out there, just like the UAs. And just like the UAs, there's nothing to track, nothing to go "Ok. This is a clue, but how do we interpret it...". Somewhere, in some region of space, there's these alloys sitting there, and nothing to indicate, even in the most convoluted manner possible, they're there. A while back in a dev update pre-horizons, I made the claim that placing content somewhere out in the black, with nothing to go on at all, was a pretty poor idea. If you read that thread further though, most people seem to disagree. I had a mate who used to do geo-caching, and one of the disparaging comments he'd make of people who placed them poorly was "It's like they just had them sitting in the back of their Ute, drove around, and when one bounced out, he'd call wherever it landed the cache*".

Without anything else to go on other than "They're out there, somewhere", there's no gameplay to engage with, and it feels like the meta-alloys have just bounced out of the Ute somewhere^.

Maybe some people do enjoy just fumbling in the dark til they actually hit what they're looking for... more power to them, but I already sat prostrate before the altar of the RNG trying to get a UA Convoy spawn in known systems, and getting nowhere, and this kinda feels the same.

* As opposed to good caches, which led you through various stages of searching, trivia and a path of discovery before, after a dozen or so stages and some problem solving skills, you'd finally find it, kinda like escape rooms.

^ Unless they *are* within the shell somewhere, and we're just terrible searchers ;)

I seem to remember MB said in a post on this thread (wrt to the transport ships morse picture bug) that while he does read this thread occasionally it is not his/FD's primary source of monitoring the game; that is presumably the transaction logger on their database server. Someone else raised the point, and I think it was a very good one, that a single player delivering UAs to a station may be insufficient to cross the threshold to trigger an event. The other (infected) stations presumably had at least several, & possibly hundreds or more, of players delivering UAs. I think that you should raise your sterling work with Walker Survey as an FD Fault Report, it may just trigger FD into improving their game monitoring procedures- to the benefit of us all. :)


Oops- ninja'd by Han Zen!
 
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OK CMDRs, I think we already have an indirect HINT about the Meta-Alloys location, and so the Barnacles.

I did a bit of research, and all the missions found so far, requiring to find Meta-Alloys, are spawning in a very ENCLOSED area of the bubble.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=217293

Asellus Primus, Ovid, Dahan, LHS 215, Chias Vega, Ngalia. The first 3 systems are VERY CLOSE to each other, while the other three are a bit far away, but not that far from each other.
So, what I think is that the Barnacles are in the Bubble, on a Planet in an area between those systems. Check your map.
I'm heading back to the bubble, to concentrate my research there.

I'm asking the other CMDRs who found these missions, to post the system where they found them, please. To refine the area.

Right on, CMDRs.

Some post a lot, some read a lot ..
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=195658&p=3328498&viewfull=1#post3328498

At least for (now) MOD, lovely Council Member and one post above your own this is too less ...
And waste a lot of time for other CMDR's.
No direct offense Sir, but in fact you make the quality here with your omnipresence.
For the "science": NGC 1893 (core stars former not reachable) = nothing special there

Better only lurking again ...
 
I don't think it's a bug in the game code. I think it's small slip up in the SQL query that FD use to track sales. MB said that they base most of their actions on server monitoring.

The Harma event delivered 500 plus UAs to their target station. That was enough to close it down. Your numbers at Walker, should be enough to give the station issues.

Another possibility is that the UA reacts in combination with a commodity.

A faction that wishes to remain nameless dropped 2000 ua to a station over a period of a few weeks. Nothing happened.
Even if you don't think the horse has been flogged enough, I still don't see what good you expect to achieve.
 
I'd bear in mind that some processes in the back end are manual and lots of Frontier staff are currently on holiday.

Of course, but the question I was answering with that post was:

What's the use of contaminating more stations?

... rather than why aren't their failures right now.

My test with Walker Survey is slightly older than the (seemingly successful) push to poison Harma with UAs, so any possible issue with the time bounds of my test, whether a game mechanic (highly unlikely) or manually triggered by FD (much more likely), is dismissed by Harma's subsequent failure, pointing to either:

- My test (and others like it), and subsequent galnet article about the sales and CG proposal are somehow "inconvenient" for FD
- There actually is a bug in SQL reporting like Han's suggested; or
- UA's don't cause failures alone.
 
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Some post a lot, some read a lot ..
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=195658&p=3328498&viewfull=1#post3328498

At least for (now) MOD, lovely Council Member and one post above your own this is too less ...
And waste a lot of time for other CMDR's.
No direct offense Sir, but in fact you make the quality here with your omnipresence.
For the "science": NGC 1893 (core stars former not reachable) = nothing special there

Better only lurking again ...

FYI I've read every post in the four UA thread since day one: almost 40.000 so far.
So I can say I read a lot as well.
But sometimes it happens that a post shows up much later, after I've read the other surrounding posts. Then it could happen to miss a post here and there.
So, yes, There was a Meta-Alloy mission found in Varati as well, you're right.
But I was not drawing conclusions: I was just starting an analysis. Other data are needed, that's why I asked to post other CMDRs findings.

But we have still 3 very close systems spawning that mission. So it could be that they spawn close to where the meta-alloys could be found, but in different areas of the bubble.

The other alternative is back to square one, and to the RNG fest.
 
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Has anyone noticed if there's anything else that the failed stations have in common? All of them high-tech or agricultural perhaps? Maybe they all had an abundance of a certain type of commodity?

I really like this idea.

Imagine you were FD, and the next step of the UA mystery revolved around interacting with the UA with a particular ship, or ship module, or commodity, or mission, and you were watching this thread and seeing us fumble around and no-one ever make the link - and that went on for months with no sign of them getting any closer - how would you push them in the right direction? Having stations containing that ship/module/commodity/mission be affected when UAs were sold there makes perfect sense!
 
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I really like this idea.

Imagine you were FD, and the next step of the UA mystery revolved around interacting with the UA with a particular ship, or ship module, or commodity, or mission, and you were watching this thread and seeing us fumble around and no-one ever make the link - and that went on for months with no sign of them getting any closer - how would you push them in the right direction? Having stations containing that ship/module/commodity/mission be affected when UAs were sold there makes perfect sense!

Well.. umm... I'm not suggesting with any certainty. Just throwing the idea out there. Sometimes a fresh pair of eyes can show new paths. But there are others who have followed this much more closely than I have who might be able to answer these questions with more certainty. Or maybe someone with more knowledge, who can rule it out.

Maybe someone with patience who could either do the legwork, or suggest a plan to test the theory. If not I'll take a look when I get back. Either way, it's a community effort. The mystery is far bigger than one player.

Can the closed stations commodity lists still be accessed? I suppose step one would to check the outfitting and commodity lists of all the closed stations. If not, then maybe the 3rd party tools still have info about what was last available in these stations prior to closing?
 
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I'm pretty sure I'm onto something I was testing last night. But I had to get back to the bubble to retool to test the theory. I'll let you know tonight muahahaha.

We are here. If you need help or further assistance in your "onto something"... ;)
I cannot remember how many times we've been "onto something" only to discover it was just hype.

I really hope you are "onto something" for real!!! :D
 
Yeah I know soooo much of it is speculation. So much hype. I'm just trying to step back because they said this is much simpler than people think and its right in front of our face. A lot of people trying to think too detailed. Time to take a step back and look at it from a basic level.

I'm not even sure I'm right and I'm sure others are doing this too but its "where" is going to be the key.

  • We know the UA's point to Merope a B type Sub Giant Star. (Even though we know it points to the star it could just mean the system itself)
  • We know the UA likes to report its current location and the ship its seeing back to Merope a B type Star
  • Every moon in the Merope system has been scoured for anything.. including these meta-alloys with no luck.
  • Every bloody experiment with the UA has already been done.
  • We know they've seeded unique things out in the galaxy to find.
  • There are UA's around the Pleades cluster (I found one at Atlas last night but didn't investigate) Oddly enough Atlas is a triple star system but there were only 2 stars there!
  • I still am pretty sure Merope is just a relay. I posted earlier that I thought if you roughly took the bubble and lined it up with Merope.. behind it is the California Nebula. Not saying that is the next hop but I've also been out there looking without luck.


On the Large Barnacles. We are not even sure they are related to the mystery and plenty of people have spent a lot of time looking for them. The only description we have about them are "These appear to be common in certain parts of space, although no-one is certain why. "

What would you consider a "part of space" ? Classified by humans there are constellations and regions but they are labels made by man. What are naturally occurring parts of space... Nebula.. Now we know Merope is in a Nebula.

What was one of the big things that DB wanted to happen in this game eventually? He talked about it in his live streams many times always gleefully. In tandem with the newly placed station out there I'm willing to bet my theory is correct. Its just going to take a lot of TIME and the right EQUIPMENT to find what we are looking for. People are just going about looking for it the wrong way I think.

I also think the answers to the next clues are not Horizon only. So they won't necessarily be on the surface.
 
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... I'm just trying to step back because they said this is much simpler than people think and its right in front of our face.

I've seen mention a few times that someone/somewhere said it was 'right in front of us' or some such. I must have missed that (was that in this thread?), and is there a link to the post/video/etc. where it was said?
 
I've seen mention a few times that someone/somewhere said it was 'right in front of us' or some such. I must have missed that (was that in this thread?), and is there a link to the post/video/etc. where it was said?

I asked this question before - no one answered.

Would fit in with the whole "before your eyes" thing.
Can someone please show where "Right before your eyes" has been said?
 
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I firmly believe we need to solve the station puzzle and then we will either get another clue to the mystery straight away or Frontier will unlock the next part of the story.

Palin is the dev way of communicating to when we get stuck.
 
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