I'm not going to give them an excuse but I will point out that (at least for Horizons) it is, as quoted, 'Early Access' and there are holidays right now. Like I pointed out in my original post, a lot of people are not able to take a step back and look at the big picture. Again, I'm not trying to give Frontier an excuse - just giving some broader context.
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I'm not going to give them an excuse but I will point out that (at least for Horizons) it is, as quoted, 'Early Access' and there are holidays right now. Like I pointed out in my original post, a lot of people are not able to take a step back and look at the big picture. Again, I'm not trying to give Frontier an excuse - just giving some broader context.
It is somewhat interesting to note that -according to Steamspy- old core game has attracted around 40k new owners in the past week, while in the same time Season 2 gained less than 10k. Or, in other words, in the past week core game got same number of new customers as Horizons in total. Hum.
It is definitely too early to judge the market success of Horizons, but total of ~40k Horizons users looks pretty bad compared to ~650k people who bought (or registered) base game on Steam: this new DLC might be facing a problem with sales. Is it the price, apparent lack of content, not so positive reviews, or rather combination of three... I don't know.
It is definitely too early to judge the market success of Horizons, but total of ~40k Horizons users looks pretty bad compared to ~650k people who bought (or registered) base game on Steam: this new DLC might be facing a problem with sales. Is it the price, apparent lack of content, not so positive reviews, or rather combination of three... I don't know.
All I can say is GOODgames needing a bit of thought and planning where you don't get the 1 million cr immediately and therefore can't rank your ship up to mega without some effort is good.
Ok. I have to ask this. Where in ED do you have to think or even plan anything? I think I've done everything but for some reason I must have missed that part.
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I don't think it's the niche. If you really buy a space sim and don't like it because you really don't like space sims ... well. What exactly did you expect again?
I think it has more to do with failed expectations in a context of gameplay or how it's advertised. It's MMO on Steam. I wouldn't really call it that.
Of course there's more sales of the base game... it was massively discounted again! Kind of the point of discounting it to boost sales. Tho there's an amusing need in some quarters to declare Horizons a failure to advance whatever argument is being made... we do need to wait to see how it does over the coming year and see financial statements to draw anything more than groundless conclusions.
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A lot of players don't use this game through Steam.
Any pre-orders weren't registered either.
It's not a good source of information.
Too many unknowns.
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Exactly.
I never added neither the core game nor horizons to steam.
Anyway, the core game was (still is?) on sale for 12€ for weeks now, so its natural that it got a sales boost.
I'm sure they'll do fine.
They aren't competing in the same terms you're thinking along.
You're really struggling to understand where this game came from, where it is and what it will hopefully be.
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Note that the base game is now priced at $15.
Your observation, I guess, ties in with this excerpt from DB's comment the other week...
If they Frontier is unsatisfied with the reviews they will hopefully try to do better next time.
Personally I think its more because of the way Elite is being developed and people not reading up on that fact, very few seem to understand that horizon is an ongoing thing, what we have currently is just first pass, if you don't feel that its worth it, dont' buy it.
So yeah, that's just me and to me it more represents how spoiled and coddled a lot of gamers are, oh well.
Totally agree with this. horizons is a fail right now.
The 1.5 patch is the saving grace for this game at the moment. You can buy the base game for a tenner and get all the content you currently need. Landing on desolate barren planets with no content and empty lifeless space ports is NOT worth £39.99.
Wait until Xmas 2016 and then buy Horizons, when is finished, for less money, with more content!!!!
That's what we all should be doing really, buying the expansions 12 months after release. When they're done!
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When the economy works well, we pay after. Now we pay before, without having much detailed information
Product essentially is Season 2 expansion pass. I know what I am getting. Don't see how FD could sell this without getting confusing though. Maybe just include Season 2 somewhere.
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They are already swimming for some time and won't stop any time soon. People expecting them to drop prices because they don't like them have been around since early beta days. It is time to give up and play something else - or stop going with "sour grapes" sob story and buy Horizons when you can/feel comfortable about price drop. Complaining on forums not gonna cut it I am afraid.
Yes, true. People buy Elite with various expectations and some clearly want to pick a fight with it. Some can't relax and enjoy anything.
I spent time researching Elite. Knew what I was getting. Wasn't disappointed. Horizons was different though. Only had access to pre-release videos and discussions so it was a risk. I actually found the Horizons pre-release vids boring.
Been having fun since buying Horizons and haven't even touched any ground based missions yet. Flying low over a planet surface looks stunning in VR.
Thx much to some CMDRs reviews which +rep was given. Myself are more as happy for the decision make new clean Elite install for Horizons without steam and stay away from them. RL have more as enough negativism to add more when play games.
People understand that. Other games however that work with regular updates do not start at zero when they sell. They start with a lot of stuff already in place, and then add more. Horizons is empty.
I feel 72% is fair. Horizons is not complete. A lot of gamers today don't have the patience necessary for half the activities in this game. How would you expect them to understand FD's business model?
I think some of the criticism is justified - you are paying for the game now - not the game 1 year from now. If FD continues this business model, they will continue to have mixed reviews of their products. I believe if there ever was a company you should buy a season pass from it is FD, but I also understand why people are upset about Horizons - is it that much different than the surface exploration in vanilla Mass Effect??
I think some of the criticism is justified - you are paying for the game now - not the game 1 year from now. If FD continues this business model, they will continue to have mixed reviews of their products. I believe if there ever was a company you should buy a season pass from it is FD, but I also understand why people are upset about Horizons - is it that much different than the surface exploration in vanilla Mass Effect??
That's a bit harsh, no?
You might say that you do not enjoy or value the current content in Horizons, but saying it is empty is not fair.
You got full-size planets to land and explore, with correct geography generation down to their tectonic plates to provide the most plausible and diverse appearance possible.
You got planetary starports, new trade goods, new mission types, planetary bases and facilities, a land vehicle.
You may argue how much any of these things is worth to you, if you enjoy them or not, if you think they are well made or not. But Horizons surely did not came out empty.