Either show me one person saying this, or stop making stuff up.
Horsepuppies.
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Is Elite Dangerous a Dad's Game Played mainly by "non-gamers"?
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I do not accept these categories. They make no sense.
According to ESA (Entertainment Software Association):
The average age of gamers is 31.
49% of gamers is older than 40
Only 18% is younger than 18.
According to you Dadfolk are non-gamers even if they spent all their time gaming?
How would they classify as non-gamers if they spent that much time gaming?
Says who?
"Many" is a meaningless category, open to all sorts of interpretations.
It means nothing.
Many people don't like cheese, but many people also do like cheese.
Many people kill other people. Many people don't kill other people.
Many people had diarrhea today, many didn't.
Many people play games. Many people don't play games.
So?
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Agreed, been visiting this forum since the end of 2013 and can't say I've seen anyone explicitly mention that they just wanted a carbon copy of the original Elite. It's a lazy myth.
ED is considerably more sophisticated than the previous titles in the series as it stands but I don't see anyone saying that the game is exactly as they expected or that they don't want it to improve.
No, he challenged your claim: "but you can't ignore that the whole game design theory has made tremendous progress in terms of identifying what is fun, engaging and how to achieve it."
His statement wasn't: "look it was fun in the original Elite so why would you want something else?"
I blame HL for making gamers weak.
Camping is not playing the game!
I blame RTS for making players think that min/max is a gamer skill.
Spending more time analyzing the game than playing the game is -
?
I blame WoW for teaching players that there should be an end game and rewards and a "skill" tree and PvP builds and …
Bah!
And then there is Halo and consoles…
PvP in ED is boring as a field full of flowers and unicorns and fairies. Build of the day, zerging, min/maxing and Meta…
Camping is not playing the game!
I blame RTS for making players think that min/max is a gamer skill.
Spending more time analyzing the game than playing the game is -
?I blame WoW for teaching players that there should be an end game and rewards and a "skill" tree and PvP builds and …
Bah!
And then there is Halo and consoles…
PvP in ED is boring as a field full of flowers and unicorns and fairies. Build of the day, zerging, min/maxing and Meta…
Ive never liked this quote because I could quite easily reverse it and say that anyone that enjoys the game must have little in the way of imagination to stimulate, it works both ways.
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Look, I am a noob in this game, but i do see the flaws where "hardcore ED'ers" do not.
I too been into games since the early eighties.
My first machine was a frikken northstar, which i had to program myself, and store the data on an 8inch floppy.
After that came tape drives, and onwards HDD's.
I've seen games some can't even imagine, I wrote games some can't even imagine.
But back to ED: As a newcomer, and having seen games beyond games, i came in here, and... well, 1.4 was fun.
This got killed, leaving some of us with nothing.
I DO respect the hardcore fans from back in the days, but times moved on.
Some of you like to be in that era of the early game releases, but others simply want more.
And again, one does not have to kill off the other, both CAN be pleased the same time.
I simply can't understand (but that's me being autistic, presumably) some refuse to move on...
It's like being in this day in age and still run my old Northstar machine...
I too been into games since the early eighties.
My first machine was a frikken northstar, which i had to program myself, and store the data on an 8inch floppy.
After that came tape drives, and onwards HDD's.
I've seen games some can't even imagine, I wrote games some can't even imagine.
But back to ED: As a newcomer, and having seen games beyond games, i came in here, and... well, 1.4 was fun.
This got killed, leaving some of us with nothing.
I DO respect the hardcore fans from back in the days, but times moved on.
Some of you like to be in that era of the early game releases, but others simply want more.
And again, one does not have to kill off the other, both CAN be pleased the same time.
I simply can't understand (but that's me being autistic, presumably) some refuse to move on...
It's like being in this day in age and still run my old Northstar machine...
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So basically like every other "open world" PvP is destined to be. That's why there's CQC, tailored arena gameplay will always be more suitable to the concept.
Was there something earlier in this thread pertaining to 1.4 vs the current release? Or did something change and you blame the "non-gamer" for it?
Isn't that a bit like saying "oh the game crashes on my machine some times.. so that's the fault of the non-gamers"?
Who are these "non-gamers" that are responsible for all the bad things that happen in the world?
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I've played the following:
AstroWars
Binatone TV Master
Acorn
Amiga
NES
Master System
SNES
N64
PlayStation
PS3
XB, XB 360
PC
I've played practically all the classics on all the platforms over about 25 years, and got heavily involved with indie games. I make my own games as well, when I have the time. Oh yes, and I'm a dad too.
Children today know jack all about games, sadly. As I grow older I realise gaming has degenerated a great deal as the attention spans and tolerance of the general population drops off a cliff. ED is not perfect, just paced differently, or looking at it another way its paced as games used to be. Given enough time (just as with WoW or any long term project) it will evolve. EVE did it, there is no reason why ED cannot either.
AstroWars
Binatone TV Master
Acorn
Amiga
NES
Master System
SNES
N64
PlayStation
PS3
XB, XB 360
PC
I've played practically all the classics on all the platforms over about 25 years, and got heavily involved with indie games. I make my own games as well, when I have the time. Oh yes, and I'm a dad too.
Children today know jack all about games, sadly. As I grow older I realise gaming has degenerated a great deal as the attention spans and tolerance of the general population drops off a cliff. ED is not perfect, just paced differently, or looking at it another way its paced as games used to be. Given enough time (just as with WoW or any long term project) it will evolve. EVE did it, there is no reason why ED cannot either.
Are you Rutger Hauer from Blade Runner?
Im not sure if this is allowed to say but. Go look at Mmo Champion, WoW's main third party fansite, look in the various discussions there, it is a cesspool that is the result of handfed gamers.
now look at ED forums, and be glad its nowhere remotely the same. And ingame, it is even worse. And thats just an example, many games suffer from the handfed gamers of today. Wether im old and used to be one myself, or that i grew older and started to love the journey more i dont know.
but the world needs more ED, it has little to do with moving on or not, but we definately do not need more handfed brats (of all ages) crying for flashy gimmicks and new content every 3 weeks then cry when it isnt what they wanted, and the devs abiding them... We dont need that, do we?
now look at ED forums, and be glad its nowhere remotely the same. And ingame, it is even worse. And thats just an example, many games suffer from the handfed gamers of today. Wether im old and used to be one myself, or that i grew older and started to love the journey more i dont know.
but the world needs more ED, it has little to do with moving on or not, but we definately do not need more handfed brats (of all ages) crying for flashy gimmicks and new content every 3 weeks then cry when it isnt what they wanted, and the devs abiding them... We dont need that, do we?
Funny what kid's think about their Dad as they get older, if only i had listened to you... Or you were right Dad...
CQC is better, but it still has that progression to get better ships.
If Blade Runner were made today it would have more comedy hi-jinks for the kids
also forget the bad cinema ending...Deckard would now need to be seen walking calmly away from an explosion and everything would need to be left open for a sequel.