You know, I was hopefully expecting an actual answer from someone, yep there is one over here etcetera.
Bizarre, the idea of having to create a minor faction that is anti-theist.
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You know, I was hopefully expecting an actual answer from someone, yep there is one over here etcetera.
Bizarre, the idea of having to create a minor faction that is anti-theist.
Why is it bizarre?
There are any number of existing minor factions which could easily represent a government founded on the principles you are talking about, which you could adopt.
If you want a dedicated minor faction which is specifically devoted to your ideology you have to create one. Just as I would if I wanted one specifically based on my ideology, unless I was willing to simply adopt an existing one and make my own backstory for it etc.
I'm not against your idea at all, just not sure why you feel having to create it yourself is so bizarre.
I believe in evidence.
Because it's evidence.
Anyone who doesn't... well, let's just say that I hope their job has nothing to do with law enforcement.
There are minor factions with the title "Monarchy", but monarchy is not one of the government types.
There's minor factions with names like "guardians of tradition", or "Justice party", or all sorts of other things. Take a look through the galnet weekly reports.
In fact, a "Guardians of Tradition" minor faction, a dictatorship, could fit the bill, if their major tradition is atheism. Adopt one that suits, write some backstory, blam! there you go.
There's minor factions with names like "guardians of tradition", or "Justice party", or all sorts of other things. Take a look through the galnet weekly reports.
In fact, a "Guardians of Tradition" minor faction, a dictatorship, could fit the bill, if their major tradition is atheism. Adopt one that suits, write some backstory, blam! there you go.
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It is like wanting a separate minor faction type based on if a faction favours veganism or socialised medicine or state capitalism or is opposed to said ideas.
If its the all controlling totalitarian regime of unfettered hatred for those different then it is a dictatorship
If like Apos suggested it is powerful individuals using their political connects to strip the Theocrats of their wealth and power it is a Patronage
A collection of enlightened individualist coming together to add their collective weight to enacting change a cooperative.
You don't just create a new minor faction type just because of a different platform from the one next door
Look at the Player Minor Factions
They are more than just the minor faction description - which is still the same as any other Minor faction of their type - they have fleshed out, with background and lore to expand and explain their positions.
That is what you need to do; you just don't seem to want to or cannot be bothered to do so and expect the Devs to do it for you.
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Interestingly, I'm an agnostic (a real one) who's REALLY interested in religion and spirituality (and I was an astrophysicist a long time ago) and I think religion adds a lot to 'story' and 'theme', so when a friend of mine suggested a religion tied to Marlin Duval I was all ready help him set it up and write some stuff for it and tie it in with the Prismatic Imperium on Cubeo. The rub is our council, which is made up of the leaders of our sub-groups and a few active folks from the PI itself. When I let them know what i was up to, they were all (I think all, maybe one wasn't bothered) REALLY uncomfortable with the idea of a storied religion that wasn't christianity being added to the PI's lore.
I was amused and a little disgruntled, but on this occasion bent to the will of my council.
I was amused and a little disgruntled, but on this occasion bent to the will of my council.
I'm an atheist, but I see no reason for any kind of an atheist government not in game and not in real world. I don't even know what that means. It only tells you that it's run by atheists. But what kind of a politics are they running? A democracy? Autocracy? Dictatorship? Communism? Patronage? ... It makes no sense. There should then also be gay governments, vegan governments ... and they should be a lot more numerous then atheist governments.
And what kind of legislation would an atheist government even promote as oposed to a government of non-Santa believers? I as an atheist can't think of any basis on which I would form policy. Atheism is a blank page, it has no words or anything. The only way I can imagine an atheist government is if in a democracy for example, only atheists would be elected in a given term. But even then, their atheism wouldn't be any kind of a guiding factor when deciding policy.
Well, one could say that their policy would be that all the laws must be in accordance with logic, evidence and science, but that just means it's a technocracy or an autocracy run by scientists that don't even have to be atheists. It can be run by theists who are scientists. Why in such a system would you prevent a fully capable person from working in the government because he is a theist even though his achievements say that the fact that he is a theist didn't seem to be a detriment regarding his past work? I don't see why I wouldn't vote for a person who believes in some fairies, if at the same time he is capable of doing work in the highest echelons of science, industry, economy, politics etc.
And what kind of legislation would an atheist government even promote as oposed to a government of non-Santa believers? I as an atheist can't think of any basis on which I would form policy. Atheism is a blank page, it has no words or anything. The only way I can imagine an atheist government is if in a democracy for example, only atheists would be elected in a given term. But even then, their atheism wouldn't be any kind of a guiding factor when deciding policy.
Well, one could say that their policy would be that all the laws must be in accordance with logic, evidence and science, but that just means it's a technocracy or an autocracy run by scientists that don't even have to be atheists. It can be run by theists who are scientists. Why in such a system would you prevent a fully capable person from working in the government because he is a theist even though his achievements say that the fact that he is a theist didn't seem to be a detriment regarding his past work? I don't see why I wouldn't vote for a person who believes in some fairies, if at the same time he is capable of doing work in the highest echelons of science, industry, economy, politics etc.
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But at least it is a perfect example of not being confirmed or restrained by the two line description of Imperial Patronage that we see when looking up the PI
True. Our lack of THAT lore has nothing to do with our official description... which needs to be amended.
As an avid participant in D&D games, that would be quite an addition. Sadly, some people don't like their reflection, but what can you do.
Marlin surely needs to be a pivotal figure to be used as an example from Aisling groups either way. Looking forward to what you will concoct.
I find it bizarre simple due to the lack of one single anti-theist faction, when the galaxy has many theocracies already.
Its is a personal perspective, so don't kick me for my reaction.
I can see that you are open minded about the idea, as are some others who are offering suggestions.
Yes, it does look like it needs to be added to the game.
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Any other way to search through minor factions, besides GalNet, or the cumbersome galaxy map?
Thanks for the suggestions, needs looking into.
Thanks for the constructive input. Shame it actually needs doing, from my point of view, it should already be in the game.
Guess I can trawl through the Player Minor Factions, but I doubt any would be so specific, none have posted here as far as I know.
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A Cult of Reason, would be nice.
Communism is more of a socio-economic system, a classless society where resources are not owned by individuals.
Nothing to do with theism or anti-theism, if taken in its truest sense. A social collective, aka communism.
I guess, using the existing frame work of government types, it would be a Dictatorship.
This excludes the Federation which supports Theocracies.
Independent Dictator: An organisation that engages in Authoritarian activities in order to establish and maintain absolute control over its chosen field of interest.
Alliance Authoritarian: A Faction that uses a top-Down management style in order to maintain a tight hold over its assets.
Empire Dictator: A Faction that has been granted absolute power over a specific area of influence by decree of the Imperial Senate.
Out of interest, what do you all think: Independent Dictator, Alliance Authoritarian or Empire Dictator?
If you exclude the Alliance, since that supports Theocracies, it only leaves Independent or Empire.
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God was never on their side ;-)
This excludes the Federation which supports Theocracies.
Independent Dictator: An organisation that engages in Authoritarian activities in order to establish and maintain absolute control over its chosen field of interest.
Alliance Authoritarian: A Faction that uses a top-Down management style in order to maintain a tight hold over its assets.
Empire Dictator: A Faction that has been granted absolute power over a specific area of influence by decree of the Imperial Senate.
Out of interest, what do you all think: Independent Dictator, Alliance Authoritarian or Empire Dictator?
If you exclude the Alliance, since that supports Theocracies, it only leaves Independent or Empire.
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A Cult of Reason, would be nice.
God was never on their side ;-)
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I guess communism could be a good platform, after consideration.
There are two government types:
Independent Communist: A Faction that believes that all assets should be communally owned, and that resources should be fairly divided among all members by judging each individual's true needs
Alliance Communist: A group that promotes the idea that all members are created equal, even though clearly some members are more equal than others.
That's funny. Just going by the description it would be alliance. But the down side is that the Alliance recognises official religions. So that would only leave the Independent Communist.
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Ok. List narrowed down:
Independent Dictator: An organisation that engages in Authoritarian activities in order to establish and maintain absolute control over its chosen field of interest.
Independent Communist: A Faction that believes that all assets should be communally owned, and that resources should be fairly divided among all members by judging each individual's true needs
Empire Dictator: A Faction that has been granted absolute power over a specific area of influence by decree of the Imperial Senate.
What do you atheists and militant atheists prefer?
God don't take ANY side.
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