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General / Off-Topic Atheist Goverments - The sword of reason
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Atheism makes no positive claims, therefor can't be a religion. It's absence of a belief with no other characteristics to it.
@Kristov, atheism is not the claim god(s) don't exist. It's the lack of belief one or more do exist. Someone who never considered the issue is an atheist. Someone who doesn't care about the issue is an atheist.
Religions are also not manmade constructs meant to control people using a belief system. It's how they can be abused in it's organised form. You can practise a religion indiviually without anyone knowing about it.
@Kristov, atheism is not the claim god(s) don't exist. It's the lack of belief one or more do exist. Someone who never considered the issue is an atheist. Someone who doesn't care about the issue is an atheist.
Religions are also not manmade constructs meant to control people using a belief system. It's how they can be abused in it's organised form. You can practise a religion indiviually without anyone knowing about it.
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Just back from a bike ride in the rain, so to bring myself up to date with this;
We havent quite decided on what constitutes a religion and what doesnt
Most think that religion is either untrue or irrelevant, or a means of control, or inhabited by the lame brained and the nutter
Fair summary? So are there other free thinking, science based folks out there who believe that there is a creator God? Or is it just me...
We havent quite decided on what constitutes a religion and what doesnt
Most think that religion is either untrue or irrelevant, or a means of control, or inhabited by the lame brained and the nutter
Fair summary? So are there other free thinking, science based folks out there who believe that there is a creator God? Or is it just me...
@Mikey, don't you think it's odd you're making judgement calls on people posting here, by accusing them they're making judgement calls? 
Is Judge Dredd a militant atheist?
I would be very surprised if you were the only one.
Nobody is that unique.
I was one myself... for a short while.
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A quick post before going back to work....
So in the future humanity spreads across the galaxy, inhabiting hundreds of worlds.
Humanity takes religion with them and spreads it everywhere.
Minor factions, planets, systems clash in a volatile power play.
Theocracy has been playing its part throughout history.
It is plausible that atheists started to group together and ended up forming an anti-theist society.
If most of the population were ordinary atheists, the government would need to be militant.
The last thing you'd want is a hostile theocracy sending over their priests and warriors.
Out of all of the billions of people in human space, where would you go to avoid religious persecution.
Maybe the only place that is safe from theism.
I propose that humans would find a planet and claim it as religion free, god free and they would actively keep it that way.
Sure, most government types could be seen as secular, but in a galaxy with hundreds of theocracies, there would be a militant atheist government somewhere.
It stands to reason ;-)
So in the future humanity spreads across the galaxy, inhabiting hundreds of worlds.
Humanity takes religion with them and spreads it everywhere.
Minor factions, planets, systems clash in a volatile power play.
Theocracy has been playing its part throughout history.
It is plausible that atheists started to group together and ended up forming an anti-theist society.
If most of the population were ordinary atheists, the government would need to be militant.
The last thing you'd want is a hostile theocracy sending over their priests and warriors.
Out of all of the billions of people in human space, where would you go to avoid religious persecution.
Maybe the only place that is safe from theism.
I propose that humans would find a planet and claim it as religion free, god free and they would actively keep it that way.
Sure, most government types could be seen as secular, but in a galaxy with hundreds of theocracies, there would be a militant atheist government somewhere.
It stands to reason ;-)
No, not at all, something went really right
.I perceived it as waking up from a dark slumber.
It felt to me as if I had my eyes closed to reality and suddenly everything opened up.
Difficult to explain. It is almost a religious experience
.I was a christian before and in christian religion there is a lot of evil depravity and perverted twistedness, even in the lightest variants of it.
It was a good day when I could leave it behind me. It iss one of the best things that has happened in my life.
No need to be sad at all.
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I don't think it would work that way.
There will always be people with religious/superstitious tendencies.
They would be born on a so called atheist planet too.
There eventually would naturally evolve a philosophical/theological diversity.
People are not automatons with all the same opinion about certain topics.
And there will always be outside influences.
To keep a planet atheist you would need a violent dictatorship to force people to at least pretend to be atheist out of fear.
The same thing theocracies do to keep their people in line.
China to a lesser extent and especially North Korea used/use these methods. Russia has done so for a long time too.
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It would be an interesting experiment.
Isolated from any source of "god" input, would humans create a God?
it might disprove the existence of God if humans always create one for themselves.
The experiment has already been done.
On this planet we can already see people always creating magical godly superbeings.
On this planet alone there have been hundreds of thousands of gods created.
It is not a mystery why relatively, ignorant primitive people do so.
People want to explain stuff. People want power. If you combine the two you get priesthood.
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Proving that god is created by man is not quite the same as disproving his existence.
Anyway, proving that this particular god was made up would not prove all others were made up. After all, I could invent a mental construct named Chuck Norris and attributed with supernatural powers of meme generation. My invented Chuck Norris would not negate or preclude the simultaneous existence of an independant Chuck Norris, also gifted with supernatural powers of meme generation.
But they have a template to work
from, so is it nature or nurture?
One could say the same about Governments.
How about this idea instead:
Dictatorship
Independent: Dictator. An organisation that engages in Authoritarian activities in order to establish and maintain absolute control over its chosen field of interest.
Federation: n/a
Alliance: Authoritarian. A Faction that uses a top-Down management style in order to maintain a tight hold over its assets.
Empire: Dictator. A Faction that has been granted absolute power over a specific area of influence by decree of the Imperial Senate
Theocracy
Independent: Theocrat. An Independent group that claims to be religious in nature. It is possible that this group may not be an officially sanctioned religion
Federation: Theocrat. A faction that has been recognized as a Religious Organisation under Federation Law
Alliance: Theocrat. An Organisation that has been recognized as an official religion by the Alliance of Independent Systems
Empire: n/a
Anti-Theist
Independent: Militant Atheist. An Independent group that claims to be anti-theist in nature.
Federation: Militant Atheist. A faction that has been recognized as an Anti-Theist Organisation under Federation Law.
Alliance: Militant Atheist. An organisation that has been recognized as an as an Anti-Theist by the Alliance of Independent Systems.
Empire: Militant Atheist. A organisation that has been granted absolute power over a specific area of influence by decree of the Imperial Senate.
Well, they didn't always.
Noone said that religions pop out of nowhere. It's all progressively and they borrow from each other all the time. Otherwise they would neither survive or thrive, people are more likely to switch to slightly familiar concepts than completely new ones.
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