UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 5 - The Canonn

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Okay CMDRs, I've got a theory...

This is pretty brilliant, I think.

Twilight hours would also seem to be apply as a valid "feeding time" as well then, right?

Twilight, according to many mythologies, is also the time that all sorts of otherworldly entities come out to play. From a story telling perspective, it's a good time to have your monsters appear. :)

Your hypothesis also would explain how we've done so much searching with no results. I'd rep you, but apparently I already did.
 
Thinking about the UAs and how they point to Merope: has anyone tried to drop off a UA in the vicinity of the Merope's nav beacon to see if it points to the star or the nav beacon, and if so what was the result?
 
I'm not sure if someone has mentioned these before (a quick search didn't turn up anything), but I just found a POI without the blue/purple circle/dot thingy. I spotted the lights of two rows of automated mining rigs guarded by turrets in the darkness, but there was no POI on the radar.

Does this happen often, or is this a rare bug?

Edit: Yes, I was above 2km.
 
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Thinking about the UAs and how they point to Merope: has anyone tried to drop off a UA in the vicinity of the Merope's nav beacon to see if it points to the star or the nav beacon, and if so what was the result?

There is no nav beacon in Merope. Unless you count crashed ones that just repeat "Broken" in morse code.
 
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I'm not sure if someone has mentioned these before (a quick search didn't turn up anything), but I just found a POI without the blue/purple circle/dot thingy. I spotted the lights of two rows of automated mining rigs guarded by turrets in the darkness, but there was no POI on the radar.

Does this happen often, or is this a rare bug?

Edit: Yes, I was above 2km.

Those are quite common
 
get yourself an advanced discovery scanner to see all the astronomical objects in a system. or fly around aimlessly with a basic or intermediate scanner until you find them all.

Yeah - and don't forget to assign it to a weapon group (right panel, go to weapons) - when you're in Super Cruise, switch to that weapon group and you can fire it off to discover everything in the system - hold it down till your hear a big, phat buzzing honking sound.
 
Okay CMDRs, I've got a theory. It's a bit nuts, but it's plausible, it's pretty easy to test, and, most importantly, it drastically constrains the search area.

As I outlined here, the mist we see on airless worlds isn't static - it comes and goes with exposure to sunlight, and disappears completely at night. As such, places that are both dark and misty are what I'd call exceedingly rare (pun intended) - you pretty much only find them during eclipses.

This got me thinking about a few things:

  • The meta-alloys description refers to Large Barnacles as "alien entities" - one way or another we're hunting a life form.
  • IRL barnacles are filter feeders - they extrude a filter-thing out into the water when the water conditions are right, scoop desirable things (plankton) out of the water for nourishment, and extrude a protective shell around themselves. They can dry out and rehydrate with the tide, and be just fine, up to a point.
  • FDev are clearly pretty proud of this mist - Braben showed it off in an early youtube video of horizons, and has taken the time to explain it to people at least once.
  • This mist rises and falls like tide - on a closely orbiting moon, or a closely orbiting binary pair, misty conditions would form, and then the light would disappear in an eclipse, at least once per orbital period.

My theory is that these barnacles are in some way dormant until the right conditions emerge. I think the right conditions are inside nebulae, in the presence of volatile mist, when the sun has just been obscured, so that they're safe from too much heat, but not so safe that there's no mist to consume. If I were right, we'd either find 1) they're somehow more visible when they're "happy" or 2) the spawn rate of the randomly generated ones is higher in the right conditions.

In order to test this idea, I hunted around the Pleiades, checking out the orbital characteristics and positions of various moons (FDev system orrery view plz!). Turns out eclipse conditions don't happen that often.

Eclipse conditions are so rare, in fact, that I was not able to find any anywhere within the nebula cloud of the Pleiades earlier... but there's one about to happen:


On Merope 1B, sometime in the next hour, Merope 1A will eclipse Merope, turning this very foggy crater I'm sitting in into a very dark foggy crater. (And yes, it's moving in the right direction, I made sure before posting.) If I'm right, one of these moons will eclipse part of the other's misty surface every ~9 hours, for... I have no idea how long. At least an hour? Two?

I'm thinking that if the mist reliably shows up in a short enough time period, then there's an eclipse, and the barnacles never spend too much time "dry", you've got somewhere that you can find barnacles. This would constrain the search to places like Merope 1A/1B, and allow us to rule out entire categories of planets (such as Metal-rich and Icy, which I don't think have any mist).


So uh... anybody want to come throw a foggy eclipse rave on Merope 1B? Bonus points for bringing UA disco balls.

I may be totally crazy here, but the scenery should be cool, and we're probably only gonna be dealing with about 10% of one moon at a time, instead of half a dozen systems - and constraining the search area, at this point, is my primary concern.

P.S. Writing this took long enough that the eclipse has started! Will be back with screenshots later, if possible.


Co-ords please :)
 
Okay CMDRs, I've got a theory. It's a bit nuts, but it's plausible, it's pretty easy to test, and, most importantly, it drastically constrains the search area.

As I outlined here, the mist we see on airless worlds isn't static - it comes and goes with exposure to sunlight, and disappears completely at night. As such, places that are both dark and misty are what I'd call exceedingly rare (pun intended) - you pretty much only find them during eclipses.

This got me thinking about a few things:

  • The meta-alloys description refers to Large Barnacles as "alien entities" - one way or another we're hunting a life form.
  • IRL barnacles are filter feeders - they extrude a filter-thing out into the water when the water conditions are right, scoop desirable things (plankton) out of the water for nourishment, and extrude a protective shell around themselves. They can dry out and rehydrate with the tide, and be just fine, up to a point.
  • FDev are clearly pretty proud of this mist - Braben showed it off in an early youtube video of horizons, and has taken the time to explain it to people at least once.
  • This mist rises and falls like tide - on a closely orbiting moon, or a closely orbiting binary pair, misty conditions would form, and then the light would disappear in an eclipse, at least once per orbital period.

My theory is that these barnacles are in some way dormant until the right conditions emerge. I think the right conditions are inside nebulae, in the presence of volatile mist, when the sun has just been obscured, so that they're safe from too much heat, but not so safe that there's no mist to consume. If I were right, we'd either find 1) they're somehow more visible when they're "happy" or 2) the spawn rate of the randomly generated ones is higher in the right conditions.

In order to test this idea, I hunted around the Pleiades, checking out the orbital characteristics and positions of various moons (FDev system orrery view plz!). Turns out eclipse conditions don't happen that often.

Eclipse conditions are so rare, in fact, that I was not able to find any anywhere within the nebula cloud of the Pleiades earlier... but there's one about to happen:


On Merope 1B, sometime in the next hour, Merope 1A will eclipse Merope, turning this very foggy crater I'm sitting in into a very dark foggy crater. (And yes, it's moving in the right direction, I made sure before posting.) If I'm right, one of these moons will eclipse part of the other's misty surface every ~9 hours, for... I have no idea how long. At least an hour? Two?

I'm thinking that if the mist reliably shows up in a short enough time period, then there's an eclipse, and the barnacles never spend too much time "dry", you've got somewhere that you can find barnacles. This would constrain the search to places like Merope 1A/1B, and allow us to rule out entire categories of planets (such as Metal-rich and Icy, which I don't think have any mist).

So uh... anybody want to come throw a foggy eclipse rave on Merope 1B? Bonus points for bringing UA disco balls.

I may be totally crazy here, but the scenery should be cool, and we're probably only gonna be dealing with about 10% of one moon at a time, instead of half a dozen systems - and constraining the search area, at this point, is my primary concern.

P.S. Writing this took long enough that the eclipse has started! Will be back with screenshots later, if possible.


I'm in a mist filled crater at the moment on Maia A 7 and Maia A should set within the next hour or two, I'll stick around and see if anything happens.
 
I think some time and effort should also be put into the general location of the barnacles. WHY are they only found in nebulae? What specific conditions exist in nebulae that might give us further clues to their location within those nebulae?

There are several types of nebulas. The only common feature is big size. And maybe density (denser than vacuum, less denser than star). Not all nebulae produce light, there are dark nebulae. Chemical composition is also different.
So we got size and light (absorbing\emitting).
 
im on merope 1 b and after being killed by turrets i came back so persistant poi. 4 guardian sentry with heat seeking missiles, 4 turrets and two buildings marked CRP contact point oh yes and private data link, buildings with new shape that i have nt seen before. also last night near here i found t7 crash site which i posted.
this site -44.6159 and 143.2644 if anybody wants a look. loads of poi sites showing up from 20km up.
 
Co-ords please :)

I'm at about -42.5, -127, but there should be a sizeable area of the surface exhibiting these conditions.

In other news, SWEET JESUS THE ECLIPSE FOG, I CAN'T SEE A DAMN THING
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Has anyone done any analysis of audio taken from the planetary noises picked up when you just point your ship at a planet and sit still? Perhaps in comparing all the sounds of the Merope planets and moons there may be some distinct sound picked up pointing the search towards a certain moon in the system.

I would be up for the task of gathering audio and analysing if it hasn't been done already. I would probably start with Merope then branch out to different systems. Won't be able to start til late tonight though. (Late in U.S. time)
 
Sitting in the dark on Merope 1 B at -1.3780 / -106.8952. It eclipsed whilst I was on the planet, it was quite the sight to watch happen... Now I'm scared, its total darkness.
 
I don't think this is pointed out before but MB said that the alloys are working so the alloys do something?
They are exceedingly rare and should be working - however I am getting that double checked, just to be sure.

Michael
What if the alloys are only findable near the Barnacles? If the Barnacles made them then must have them. Also everyone is looking in Merope on the planets but has anyone checked the asteroid belts to see if something was there? Perhaps try mining with an UA in the hold to see if maybe the alloys pop out of the asteroids?
 
Got a new semi-theory (gasp, another one!)

But first, on the topic of appearing and dissapearing barnacles based on conditions, i don't think FD can do that with fixed placed objects. Call me Susan if i'm wrong. Spawned stuff, sure, not fixed. It wouldn't be hard to do, i just doubt they have done it.

Back to the theory.

Remember MB had to go and ask someone to check they are there? Why? Well, first of all, it stops MB accidentally giving away anything too specific until it gets to the point where he desparately wants us to know the location so he goes and asks the relevant person. He did say i think that he didn't actually place them.

So, someone was given the task of placing the barnicles. What do you thing their instructions were?

"Right you slimey dev, listen up! I need you to place a few dozen of these things around the galaxy. Put around half a dozen in the Plieades, we definitely want some there, and scatter the rest around other nebulae. Got that? They must be in nebulae. But I might have to let those dim witted players have a clue or two, so don't place them in too obvious locations, like at the north pole of a planet in a named system. Yeah, actually, might be best to avoid named systems alltogether, far too easy that way. Got to make those lazy players work!"

Ok, maybe my imagination isn't doing a good job of imitating MB, but you get the idea.

Dev goes off and places them in places where they know, but not anywhere where someone is simply going to stumble across it easily in any sort of search.

MB said if you are in the right location you will spot it, and from the vid, its not something too small. Its going to be visible from the air at least for a few km.

So, my suggestion is, considering all the efforts we have put into roving around the seven sisters, and since MB has practically stated there is more than one in the Pl. neb. Its perhaps time for us to spread out wings, and get flying above planets in the other systems around the pl-neb.
 
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