UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 5 - The Canonn

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Section PR5 = ???? I don't get it either. PR could be Pleiades Region. Although Pleiades is referred to as Pleiades sector.

Row 2 = Open planet view, second row from the top of grid.
Seats 5 and 6 = Assuming seat 1 is the first grid square when you open planet view, count six blocks to the right
Row 2 and seats 5 and 6 could also be co-ordinates. I get longitude and latitude mixed up, but whatever is north-south would be row 2, or 2 degrees. And whatever is east-west would be 56 degrees.
Dead Centre/perfect viewing height would be the mound at the centre of a crater.

I've somehow missed it while reading the last 100 or so pages, but why do we think this mission/message is connected with large barnacles?
 
Aesculon Phaia was talking earlier about mist getting generated as the surface heats up and gases sublimating out of the rock, and also about eclipses providing sufficient darkness/coolness to offer a barnacle protection to come out and feed. I've been in a canyon on an otherwise unmisty planet surface during an eclipse, and it got really misty for the duration, so I think there's also a mechanic going on when the temperature drops significantly.

Now on a connected but different note - I think (and others have already said here) that barnacles are to be found in nebulae because they are rich with dust particles to provide food, in the same way that barnacles in the sea feed from the nutrients in the medium around them. There's no food in regular space. So this means that the planet type (metal content etc) is not the food - barnacles do not feed from their substrate. The planet type WILL be important, but in providing good conditions for the barnacle to root to (Rocky?)

So now to guess at the right places on a planet in a nebula. We could go for high ground being more sticky-outy in to the nebulous yumminess... or... low ground where mists accumulate, AND nebula dust pulled in by gravity will collect and concentrate. So my money is on low ground - canyons maybe, but craters I think will create a more concentrated nebula soup (although canyons could create a flow).

Tidally locked? No, no, NO. Tidally locked would render the environment static. No sublimating gases, no temperature differentials (remember meta alloys are excellent thermal insulators).

And as others have cleverly said, possibly NOT the polar regions where any magnetic fields would prevent nebula snacks from getting on down to the barnacle party.

MB's comment that we would definitely notice one if we were near it. Well perhaps they are pretty big and obviously barnacle-esque, but also maybe they make a big wailing sound like a UA? Perhaps it would take a UAs presence to trigger it.

Finally for now - Some people have discounted the UA bubble as being connected but I think the UAs could be a part of the barnacle's breeding cycle and they are equidistant from Merope because they were spawned there by a mature barnacle and have spread out to search for and pollinate/inseminate any barnacles they find. They have their 'head' aligned to Merope but they spin so that the two faces with the 7 markings (one for each metalloid type?) cast their signal sideways to that orientation in 360 degrees, like a lighthouse. If I'm right, that would mean that there are barnacles in Merope system.

I think that's about it for now.

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edit: Aaaand the thread moved forward two and a half pages while I wrote that, Jeeeeeesus!
 
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Don't know if anyone else is, but I'm going to start parallax-searching Merope for bodies not found through ADS scan. If I get bored doing that I will move on to the other systems starting with Maia...
 
I've somehow missed it while reading the last 100 or so pages, but why do we think this mission/message is connected with large barnacles?

We dont. It was just some random data from a random mission. Partly because of the UA clues with some numbers / reference, just testing to see if it could match.
99.9999999% unrelated.
 
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Aesculon Phaia was talking earlier about mist getting generated as the surface heats up and gases sublimating out of the rock, and also about eclipses providing sufficient darkness/coolness to offer a barnacle protection to come out and feed. I've been in a canyon on an otherwise unmisty planet surface during an eclipse, and it got really misty for the duration, so I think there's also a mechanic going on when the temperature drops significantly.

Now on a connected but different note - I think (and others have already said here) that barnacles are to be found in nebulae because they are rich with dust particles to provide food, in the same way that barnacles in the sea feed from the nutrients in the medium around them. There's no food in regular space. So this means that the planet type (metal content etc) is not the food - barnacles do not feed from their substrate. The planet type will be important, but in providing good conditions for the barnacle to root to (Rocky?)

So now to guess at the right places on a planet in a nebula. We could go for high ground being more sticky-outy in to the nebulous yumminess... or... low ground where mists accumulate, AND and nebula dust pulled in by gravity will collect and concentrate. So my money is on low ground - canyons maybe, but craters I think will create a more concentrated nebula soup (although canyons could create a flow).

Tidally locked? No, no, NO. Tidally locked would render the environment static.No sublimating gases, no temperature differentials (remember meta alloys are excellent thermal insulators).

And as others have cleverly said, possibly NOT the polar regions where any magnetic fields would prevent nebula snacks from getting on down to the barnacle party.

MB's comment that we would definitely notice one if we were near it. Well perhaps they are pretty big and obviously barnacle-esque, but also maybe they make a big wailing sound like a UA? Perhaps it would take a UAs presence to trigger it.

Finally for now - Some people have discounted the UA bubble but I think the UAs could be a part of the barnacle's breeding cycle and they are equidistant from Merope because they were spawned there by a mature barnacle and have spread out to search for and pollinate/inseminate any barnacles they find. They have their 'head' aligned to Merope but they spin so that the two faces with the 7 markings (one for each metalloid type?) cast their signal sideways to that orientation in 360 degrees, like a lighthouse. If I'm right, that would mean that there are barnacles in Merope system.

I think that's about it for now.

A very good conclusion,
now if we had a general formula to determine the area an equator covers,
we could narrow the search to a pattern, determining this and predecessing
theories to be right or wrong.
 
A very good conclusion,
now if we had a general formula to determine the area an equator covers,
we could narrow the search to a pattern, determining this and predecessing
theories to be right or wrong.

isnt that just circumference? 2xPixR? Or PiD Radius n Diameter. Multiplied by search width
 
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I've read those as well, but it just seems strange that would happen though, no? As far as I know, there's no other POIs besides ports and synth materials that do not show up as blue circles, unless I'm completely misunderstanding the mechanics behind the blue POI circles. You would think for all intent and purpose, barnacle POI's would show up as blue circles...

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Agreed. Keep searching. One of two things is going to happen. Someone is going to find one kicking off a GalNet story, or a GalNet story is going to lead to someone finding one.

I think there's a lot of confusions about POIs/Blue Circles/Permanent sites on planets. I think it's addressed in one of the top posts of this thread. Rizal's been updating them like a fiend. I believe the difference, and you'll have to take this with a grain of salt because I can't currently run Horizons, is that there are things (sites, settlements, crashed ships, etc.) that randomly pop-up, like signal sources do in space and are shown as the blue circles when you get near. Then there are sites, like ship graveyards, that are permanent and do not have a blue circle when you get near. They can only be spotted visually. MB has said that large barnacles have been placed by hand and randomly placed. Many of us are assuming that this means they can only be spotted visually/auditorially, and not by searching through the blue circles when they pop up. There's a bit of a leap there in assuming they don't, but I think that the blue circle POIs are always non-permanent, yes?
 
isnt that just circumference? 2xPixR? Or PiD Radius n Diameter. Multiplied by search width

The primeval jungle on earth doesn't just grow on a linear latitude,
there must be a formula to determine the equatorial region on an earthlike planet,
but having different masses and proportions.

FD are just cooking up the science we are,
there are technical terms humans have grown accustomed to.
 
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Okay CMDRs, I've got a theory. It's a bit nuts, but it's plausible, it's pretty easy to test, and, most importantly, it drastically constrains the search area.

As I outlined here, the mist we see on airless worlds isn't static - it comes and goes with exposure to sunlight, and disappears completely at night. As such, places that are both dark and misty are what I'd call exceedingly rare (pun intended) - you pretty much only find them during eclipses.

This got me thinking about a few things:

  • The meta-alloys description refers to Large Barnacles as "alien entities" - one way or another we're hunting a life form.
  • IRL barnacles are filter feeders - they extrude a filter-thing out into the water when the water conditions are right, scoop desirable things (plankton) out of the water for nourishment, and extrude a protective shell around themselves. They can dry out and rehydrate with the tide, and be just fine, up to a point.
  • FDev are clearly pretty proud of this mist - Braben showed it off in an early youtube video of horizons, and has taken the time to explain it to people at least once.
  • This mist rises and falls like tide - on a closely orbiting moon, or a closely orbiting binary pair, misty conditions would form, and then the light would disappear in an eclipse, at least once per orbital period.

My theory is that these barnacles are in some way dormant until the right conditions emerge. I think the right conditions are inside nebulae, in the presence of volatile mist, when the sun has just been obscured, so that they're safe from too much heat, but not so safe that there's no mist to consume. If I were right, we'd either find 1) they're somehow more visible when they're "happy" or 2) the spawn rate of the randomly generated ones is higher in the right conditions.

In order to test this idea, I hunted around the Pleiades, checking out the orbital characteristics and positions of various moons (FDev system orrery view plz!). Turns out eclipse conditions don't happen that often.

Eclipse conditions are so rare, in fact, that I was not able to find any anywhere within the nebula cloud of the Pleiades earlier... but there's one about to happen:


On Merope 1B, sometime in the next hour, Merope 1A will eclipse Merope, turning this very foggy crater I'm sitting in into a very dark foggy crater. (And yes, it's moving in the right direction, I made sure before posting.) If I'm right, one of these moons will eclipse part of the other's misty surface every ~9 hours, for... I have no idea how long. At least an hour? Two?

I'm thinking that if the mist reliably shows up in a short enough time period, then there's an eclipse, and the barnacles never spend too much time "dry", you've got somewhere that you can find barnacles. This would constrain the search to places like Merope 1A/1B, and allow us to rule out entire categories of planets (such as Metal-rich and Icy, which I don't think have any mist).

So uh... anybody want to come throw a foggy eclipse rave on Merope 1B? Bonus points for bringing UA disco balls.

I may be totally crazy here, but the scenery should be cool, and we're probably only gonna be dealing with about 10% of one moon at a time, instead of half a dozen systems - and constraining the search area, at this point, is my primary concern.

P.S. Writing this took long enough that the eclipse has started! Will be back with screenshots later, if possible.

I think Merope 1A eclipsing Merope's star happens pretty regularly, played yesterday and it was about to happen.
 
The primeval jungle on earth doesn't just grow on a linear latitude,
there must be a formula to determine the equatorial region on an earthlike planet,
but having different masses and proportions.

FD are just cooking up the science we are,
there are technical terms humans have grown accustomed to.

gotcha. i think its going to rely on distance from stars, goldilocks zones and axial tilt. I'll have a hunt
 
Aesculon Phaia was talking earlier about mist getting generated as the surface heats up and gases sublimating out of the rock, and also about eclipses providing sufficient darkness/coolness to offer a barnacle protection to come out and feed. I've been in a canyon on an otherwise unmisty planet surface during an eclipse, and it got really misty for the duration, so I think there's also a mechanic going on when the temperature drops significantly.

Now on a connected but different note - I think (and others have already said here) that barnacles are to be found in nebulae because they are rich with dust particles to provide food, in the same way that barnacles in the sea feed from the nutrients in the medium around them. There's no food in regular space. So this means that the planet type (metal content etc) is not the food - barnacles do not feed from their substrate. The planet type WILL be important, but in providing good conditions for the barnacle to root to (Rocky?)

So now to guess at the right places on a planet in a nebula. We could go for high ground being more sticky-outy in to the nebulous yumminess... or... low ground where mists accumulate, AND nebula dust pulled in by gravity will collect and concentrate. So my money is on low ground - canyons maybe, but craters I think will create a more concentrated nebula soup (although canyons could create a flow).

Tidally locked? No, no, NO. Tidally locked would render the environment static. No sublimating gases, no temperature differentials (remember meta alloys are excellent thermal insulators).

And as others have cleverly said, possibly NOT the polar regions where any magnetic fields would prevent nebula snacks from getting on down to the barnacle party.

MB's comment that we would definitely notice one if we were near it. Well perhaps they are pretty big and obviously barnacle-esque, but also maybe they make a big wailing sound like a UA? Perhaps it would take a UAs presence to trigger it.

Finally for now - Some people have discounted the UA bubble as being connected but I think the UAs could be a part of the barnacle's breeding cycle and they are equidistant from Merope because they were spawned there by a mature barnacle and have spread out to search for and pollinate/inseminate any barnacles they find. They have their 'head' aligned to Merope but they spin so that the two faces with the 7 markings (one for each metalloid type?) cast their signal sideways to that orientation in 360 degrees, like a lighthouse. If I'm right, that would mean that there are barnacles in Merope system.

I think that's about it for now.


Convinced me ... Im off to search the equatorial regions of the dirtiest heaviest rotating planets i can find in the nebula. :)
 
But the fact that these barnacles can be found in other nebulae, that more than one location has been hand placed, etc. proves that the UAs are not pointing at Merope because of the barnacles. The barnacles are another clue in the big puzzle, not the end of the puzzle. There is still no logical reason to focus the barnacle search in Merope. Every landable planet in the Pleiades has just as much chance of containing the hand placed fixed POI as the planets in Merope, and Merope has already been searched the most.

Nope. How do we know that there isn't a shell of UAs around other nebula we just haven't stumbled on yet? Or, the Pleiades one spawned UAs first because of humans poking around (it's very close to the bubble).
 
Nope. How do we know that there isn't a shell of UAs around other nebula we just haven't stumbled on yet? Or, the Pleiades one spawned UAs first because of humans poking around (it's very close to the bubble).

The amount of players checking those is relatively low,
as (i think) is the spawnrate of S.S.S.es far away from civilized space.

gotcha. i think its going to rely on distance from stars, goldilocks zones and axial tilt. I'll have a hunt

Good luck CMDR!
Remember to have some Captain Morgan as thought accelerator, if that theory is correct;)
 
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Pleiades Sector GW-W C 1-15 Planet 1:
Did anyone visited the amazing bugged crater 20Km deep? :D
You cannot miss it: worth a visit, really.

No Picture, you must see it.
 
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Aesculon Phaia was talking earlier about mist getting generated as the surface heats up and gases sublimating out of the rock, and also about eclipses providing sufficient darkness/coolness to offer a barnacle protection to come out and feed. I've been in a canyon on an otherwise unmisty planet surface during an eclipse, and it got really misty for the duration, so I think there's also a mechanic going on when the temperature drops significantly.

Now on a connected but different note - I think (and others have already said here) that barnacles are to be found in nebulae because they are rich with dust particles to provide food, in the same way that barnacles in the sea feed from the nutrients in the medium around them. There's no food in regular space. So this means that the planet type (metal content etc) is not the food - barnacles do not feed from their substrate. The planet type WILL be important, but in providing good conditions for the barnacle to root to (Rocky?)

So now to guess at the right places on a planet in a nebula. We could go for high ground being more sticky-outy in to the nebulous yumminess... or... low ground where mists accumulate, AND nebula dust pulled in by gravity will collect and concentrate. So my money is on low ground - canyons maybe, but craters I think will create a more concentrated nebula soup (although canyons could create a flow).

Tidally locked? No, no, NO. Tidally locked would render the environment static. No sublimating gases, no temperature differentials (remember meta alloys are excellent thermal insulators).

And as others have cleverly said, possibly NOT the polar regions where any magnetic fields would prevent nebula snacks from getting on down to the barnacle party.

MB's comment that we would definitely notice one if we were near it. Well perhaps they are pretty big and obviously barnacle-esque, but also maybe they make a big wailing sound like a UA? Perhaps it would take a UAs presence to trigger it.

Finally for now - Some people have discounted the UA bubble as being connected but I think the UAs could be a part of the barnacle's breeding cycle and they are equidistant from Merope because they were spawned there by a mature barnacle and have spread out to search for and pollinate/inseminate any barnacles they find. They have their 'head' aligned to Merope but they spin so that the two faces with the 7 markings (one for each metalloid type?) cast their signal sideways to that orientation in 360 degrees, like a lighthouse. If I'm right, that would mean that there are barnacles in Merope system.

I think that's about it for now.

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edit: Aaaand the thread moved forward two and a half pages while I wrote that, Jeeeeeesus!

I'm with you all up until the UA connection. I think your UA theory makes sense only if you ignore the intelligent behavior exhibited by them. Add in the ship scanning, stellar object-identifying, and morse-blaring aspects of the UA, and they seem far too advanced to be simply space-sperm.
 
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