Get a 980ti vs an extra r9 290 to crossfire with the one I already have

Anyone tried this before. Looking to reduce the judder and frame drops. I hear the 980ti is video card to get. But I'm thinking of seeing if I can get away with crossfiring my exisisting r9 290.

Tried searching, couldn't find much.

Has anyone been down this same path?

thanks

I think I should have been more clear. The idea would be to buy another r9 290 to match my existing r9 290 and crossfire those(roughly $300). Versus selling my r9 290 and buying a single gtx 980 ti(roughly $800).
 
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I have not tried it myself, but from what i have read crossfire is even worse than SLI for vr with micro stutter etc.

SLI and Crossfire is not compatible with each other. You'll need another AMD card to crossfire.

I read it as get a 980ti and get rid of the R290 (which would be my choice) or get a 2nd R290 to crossfire with his existing R290 card ;)
 
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Id wait and see what happens in the next few months, there has been so much about VR SLI that it is hard to seperate fact from fiction! It seems that only now VR SLI has moved to Alpha testing from concept! I bought two 980s on the back of the NVIDIA VR hype train when they first emerged and was SOOOO angry!

Id wait and see what tech rises to the top by the end of the year...

https://twitter.com/TheVRLab/status/631271525866323970
 
I have not tried it myself, but from what i have read crossfire is even worse than SLI for vr with micro stutter etc.



I read it as get a 980ti and get rid of the R290 (which would be my choice) or get a 2nd R290 to crossfire with his existing R290 card ;)


Makes more sense now, haha.

Anyway, isn't this stuttering due to bugs and CPU load?
I don't think GPU is the issue. Both Nvidia and AMD user's have complained in the past.
 
Makes more sense now, haha.

Anyway, isn't this stuttering due to bugs and CPU load?
I don't think GPU is the issue. Both Nvidia and AMD user's have complained in the past.

yeah some of the stutter is certianly down to the game, sure, however I was talking about microstutter, which is (now bear in mind i am in the green camp and have not played on a crossfire machine in donkeys so things may have improved) but way back when, when using crossfire you would get tiny almost inperceptible - but not quite! - stutters, presumably when the cards were not quite operating in sync (incase you cant tell i am no dev so excuse poor lingo ;) )

but given you could see it on a monitor, i can only imagine this would be horrible in VR!. SLI suffered the same issue, but from what i can tell, less so than crossfire.

to be honest however in the past i have always chosen to just have 1 card and run it as fast as i possibly could. I am thinking this may change in my next upgrade and i may have a dabble with SLIing my GTX 980..... but we shall see when the time comes - probably late this year, early next year when 6700K skylake prices have settled down.
 
A second R9 290 wont help you with elite dangerous. I tried everything to get it to work but it does not. In VR elite will generate horrible judder as soon crossfire is enabled. It is a lot slower with two 290's than it is with one. It is the reason i sold them and bought a fury X (that and some of my other favortie games have no CF support).
 
I have not tried it myself, but from what i have read crossfire is even worse than SLI for vr with micro stutter etc.



I read it as get a 980ti and get rid of the R290 (which would be my choice) or get a 2nd R290 to crossfire with his existing R290 card ;)

That's what I'm getting at. A water cooled 980ti is about $1000 and a second watercooled 290 I can get on Ebay for roughly $280.

Id wait and see what happens in the next few months, there has been so much about VR SLI that it is hard to seperate fact from fiction! It seems that only now VR SLI has moved to Alpha testing from concept! I bought two 980s on the back of the NVIDIA VR hype train when they first emerged and was SOOOO angry!

Id wait and see what tech rises to the top by the end of the year...

https://twitter.com/TheVRLab/status/631271525866323970

The problem with this advice is that it's technically always true. There's never a time where they're not working on the next best thing. It's such a truism that I'm surprised Jesus didn't mention it when he described signs of his second coming. The future is rarely a silver bullet, that's just how marketting sells it. The future is usually a small hardfought yet worthwhile improvement. I usually don't factor in future products into my buying decisions unless there's a believable hard set release date.

A second R9 290 wont help you with elite dangerous. I tried everything to get it to work but it does not. In VR elite will generate horrible judder as soon crossfire is enabled. It is a lot slower with two 290's than it is with one. It is the reason i sold them and bought a fury X (that and some of my other favortie games have no CF support).

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. Roughly how long about did you try this setup? Maybe the drivers have improved since then.
 
AMD's ED drivers are nowhere to be seen and might never be seen. They know about it because I've told guys near the top in no uncertain terms that they are missing a trick here.

Dual 290's are a good bet going forward with all the major upcoming VR titles but I just can't tell if they'll ever get their act together in Elite. Games need to be LiquidVR and GameWorks VR compatible before Crossfire or SLI is properly implemented. I feel that there is a much larger chance of GameWorks VR being implemented than LiquidVR, mostly because Frontier seems a bit closer to Nvidia.

Current Crossfire and SLI is AFR based while multi card VR really needs to be SFR based.

AMD is pretty far ahead in VR because of Mantle and Asynchronous Shaders, neither of which Nvidia has. It's no good unless the game is LiquidVR compatible though.

https://community.amd.com/community...ectx-12-for-enthusiasts-explicit-multiadapter
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9124/amd-dives-deep-on-asynchronous-shading

If those links are a bit technical this video explains part of the advantage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3dUhep0rBs

The way I see it your choices are....


  • 980 Ti, probably the best current choice for Elite assuming it never gets LiquidVR or GameWorks VR. Not a great choice otherwise tbh because Maxwell lacks important latency-reducing features and fine-grained preemption.
  • Wait for Pascal which could be over a year out but at should at least put Nvidia on hardware parity with AMD's GCN. Software will likely still be behind because Mantle is so much more advanced than anything Nvidia has. That said, DX12 should be similar as it is basically based on Mantle anyway, so Pascal will likely be good enough and most VR games will be DX12.
  • Get another 290 and hope AMD gets LiquidVR into Elite. I can't see this happening anytime soon tbh.
  • Get a Fury X, Watercooled for a lot less than $1000, performs identically to a 980 Ti at high-resolution and is perfectly set for VR. Fury X Crossfire beats Titan X SLI in most games and will be further ahead in VR. It might not be awesome in Elite though, ever. A bunch of people at AMD need a good hard slap tbh, they are missing a golden chance here.

Right now I'd say Nvidia is better for Elite while AMD is better for the upcoming stuff like Eve: Valkyrie and possibly Star Citizen, and basically all VR titles. My advice however would be to wait unless you really can't. A 290 should be decent enough for Elite anyway if you can get your settings right.

Been pretty hard on AMD here because they deserve it but also be aware that Nvidia is lying and marketing through their teeth about the state of their VR program. They are nowhere and have given up the lead they had up till now in VR by basically resting on their laurels. GameWorks VR isn't even compatible with DX12 yet which is just a further joke with the headsets coming in a few months. They won't be anywhere near ready for the launch of VR proper and when Pascal comes around they'll drop Maxwell faster than you can say "holy fine-grained preemption Batman!".

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yeah some of the stutter is certianly down to the game, sure, however I was talking about microstutter, which is (now bear in mind i am in the green camp and have not played on a crossfire machine in donkeys so things may have improved) but way back when, when using crossfire you would get tiny almost inperceptible - but not quite! - stutters, presumably when the cards were not quite operating in sync (incase you cant tell i am no dev so excuse poor lingo ;) )

AMD had awful Crossfire a couple of years ago but they're ahead again now because of XDMA.

As mentioned above, you should probably avoid current SLI or Crossfire "AFR" for VR as it increases latency by a lot.
 
Resurrecting this thread since I think it's been long enough that the situation might have changed.

Does crossfire play nice with ED yet?
 
Anyone tried this before. Looking to reduce the judder and frame drops. I hear the 980ti is video card to get. But I'm thinking of seeing if I can get away with crossfiring my exisisting r9 290.

Tried searching, couldn't find much.

Has anyone been down this same path?

thanks

I have. I bought an extra 290X for crossfire and was so livid with the result I gave one away and got two 980Tis for SLI. Threw the remaining 290X in my HTPC. Crossfire was terrible. No idea if the situation has improved. My only advice for crossfire is to get an IDENTICAL card. If you get a card that is ever so slightly different e.g. slightly different clock speeds, or different frame buffer size, you will have major issues. Also, don't overclock, your performance will be worse.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015...on_crossfire_video_card_review/3#.VpK-pBV94uU

Again, I have to stress that this was my experience a number of months ago and the situation may have changed with driver updates. Also, for the record, AMD's multi display implementation (eyefinity) is far superior to nVidia's, if that matters to you.
 
In my many years of PC gaming/building I've learned one thing about the GPU wars..every time AMD does something good, nvidia comes along and does something better. And for the record, I used to use AMD/ATI for all my high powered builds.
 
I have. I bought an extra 290X for crossfire and was so livid with the result I gave one away and got two 980Tis for SLI. Threw the remaining 290X in my HTPC. Crossfire was terrible. No idea if the situation has improved. My only advice for crossfire is to get an IDENTICAL card. If you get a card that is ever so slightly different e.g. slightly different clock speeds, or different frame buffer size, you will have major issues. Also, don't overclock, your performance will be worse.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015...on_crossfire_video_card_review/3#.VpK-pBV94uU

Again, I have to stress that this was my experience a number of months ago and the situation may have changed with driver updates. Also, for the record, AMD's multi display implementation (eyefinity) is far superior to nVidia's, if that matters to you.

How many years? I was working as a system builder in 2002 when the Radeon 9700 Pro was released nVidia had nothing to counter with. The best they could do was the Geforce FX 5800 which was slower and sounded like a leaf blower. A few years after that ATI changed focus to value instead of best. The cards they released for a long time after that were lower performing than nVidia on purpose, and were about 20% cheaper. As a result they had very good market penetration.

Eyefinity is still superior to nvidia's alternative and AMD is focused on open standards, which is far better than game works which is proprietary and closed/locked to nvidia hardware, this is bad for games and gamers in general.

I may switch back to AMD when HBM 2 comes around and in the past single card was by far the best experience over crossfire/SLI. Don't get me wrong, my current SLI setup is great, just not for everything (e.g. Elite Dangerous in VR)

To be honest, if you have already waited this long, hold out for a little longer for the next cycle (Pascal and AMDs HBM 2 refresh), the new cards should be great in single card configurations for VR.
 
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I have a pair of 290's here in crossfire.

Caveat: Windows 10, Crimson 16.1 (hotfix - 301) drivers (Edit forgot those: SDK 8.0 and latest SteamVr beta).

It works. the CR is set on AFR with FPS control set at 76 for the game. While the gain is minimal - I can run medium settings and get the golden 75FPS most places, there is some judder on planetary approaches and planetary surfaces - but it is manageable. Setting GFX to low is smooth everywhere.

On the judder issue, the worst period is from glide to landing - once landed it smooths out, and there is minimal judder while in the SRV moving around but it is very manageable.

Of course your mileage may vary.
 
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I have a pair of 290's here in crossfire.

Caveat: Windows 10, Crimson 16.1 (hotfix - 301) drivers (Edit forgot those: SDK 8.0 and latest SteamVr beta).

It works. the CR is set on AFR with FPS control set at 76 for the game. While the gain is minimal - I can run medium settings and get the golden 75FPS most places, there is some judder on planetary approaches and planetary surfaces - but it is manageable. Setting GFX to low is smooth everywhere.

On the judder issue, the worst period is from glide to landing - once landed it smooths out, and there is minimal judder while in the SRV moving around but it is very manageable.

Of course your mileage may vary.

I get exactly the same results as you but I'm using single strix GTX970. oh yeah graphics setting all to high but shadows off.
 
Anyone tried this before. Looking to reduce the judder and frame drops. I hear the 980ti is video card to get. But I'm thinking of seeing if I can get away with crossfiring my exisisting r9 290.

Tried searching, couldn't find much.

Has anyone been down this same path?

thanks

For now is not possible, but in a far future with DirectX12 is possible to run different brands cards in the same unit.

Single GPU are more reliable for 100% of the games available.

By my side I would say go 980ti and sell the r9 290. Always if your Motherboard can support SLI. Maybe in the future things get better and 2 980ti.......i don't have to tell you :D
 
Neither option. Forget about Maxwell or Fiji cards and wait for the Pascal and/or Arctic Islands cards to come out. Both will most probably come out in the Summer if not before. HBM or GDDR5 will have the next cards from both NVidia and AMD having more VRAM and MUCH more memory bandwidth. Two things that are going to be VERY useful in a VR machine.
 
Neither option. Forget about Maxwell or Fiji cards and wait for the Pascal and/or Arctic Islands cards to come out. Both will most probably come out in the Summer if not before. HBM or GDDR5 will have the next cards from both NVidia and AMD having more VRAM and MUCH more memory bandwidth. Two things that are going to be VERY useful in a VR machine.

That is for sure in this business, and when it will be summer wait winter for the updates or "TI" versions, but after in the winter wait for next summer for other improvements :D.
 
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