I pity him then.
Someone who's over-sensitive, or adhere too strictly to some code also usually reflects his complete inflexibility to life at large, and not just in game.
Tell him... live and let live.
The world's made up of all kinds.
My idea how to eliviate combat loging in open.
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I pity him then.
Someone who's over-sensitive, or adhere too strictly to some code also usually reflects his complete inflexibility to life at large, and not just in game.
Tell him... live and let live.
The world's made up of all kinds.
Show me where it says combat logging is cheating. Please don't say it's implied.
If it has changed then frontier needs to changes this to reflect it.
https://www.frontierstore.net/code-of-conduct
Cut and paste from Frontier site.
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If it has changed then frontier needs to changes this to reflect it.
https://www.frontierstore.net/code-of-conduct
Cut and paste from Frontier site.
Code of Conduct
The following rules apply to you, the user when playing the game Elite Dangerous.
You must adhere to the following rules of conduct, and also follow a reasonable, common-sense and respectful code of conduct. Users are required to take into consideration community standards and refrain from abusive or deceptive conduct, Rights of other users should be respected.
You agree to not:
Be insulting to any person via obscene, offensive, hateful or inflammatory comments via the in-game text or voice communications.
Use sexually explicit or harmful language including the use of misspelled or punctuated words to insinuate, represent any of the above - also known as "masked swearing".
Be abusive to other players based on race, sex, religion, nationality, disability, sexual orientation, age or other criteria that offends other users.
Do Not Divulge Personal DetailsUse sexually explicit or harmful language including the use of misspelled or punctuated words to insinuate, represent any of the above - also known as "masked swearing".
Be abusive to other players based on race, sex, religion, nationality, disability, sexual orientation, age or other criteria that offends other users.
You agree to not disclose names, addresses, telephones, mobile or fax numbers, email addresses or any other personally identifiable data of any individual. We request for your safety that you do not disclose sensitive information about yourself or others in the game.
Do Not Impersonate Another User
You are expressly forbidden from impersonating another player, moderator, administrator, Frontier employee or any of Frontier's partners. You will not give the impression that a comment or communication emanates from any of the listed.
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You must not communicate offensive material post information or adverts that illustrate illegal activity (including without limitation the posting or promoting of illegal software or media, be it television or software piracy) or lead to malicious sites/files. Any posts of such content with pornographic, fraudulent, phishing or warez material will be investigated and the user could be subject to punative recourse.
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- You will receive confirmation that the report has been sent
Please use this process responsibly and only report behaviour that contravenes the Elite Dangerous code of conduct.
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The game beating you, does not excuse cheating.
Another player, playing the game within the constraints of the game beating you, also does not excuse cheating - even if they are about to destroy you (legitimately).
If you genuinely believe combat logging is acceptable behaviour, perhaps we should ask SJA to program the NPCs to do it?
After all, if there is nothing wrong with CL'ing, why not have the NPCs get to 20% hull and vanish on you for no reason?
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Dev post clearly stating what CL'ing is and it is cheating - which is covered in your quote.
that is why you have 3 counters (as stated) "which are not view-able to the player"
some one who logs 11 times a week. will get to the magic number needed on the monthly count. and some one who manages to figure out the magic number of logs needed to avoid the monthly count will get caught by the yearly one.
And to evenly distribute the yearly one over your year of play would be a complex equation which would be at a lower amount than the monthly one and would prove to be a bigger pain in the back side to work out only to find you get x amounts of log outs a month. And so its probably not worth doing.
There would be other variables for the yearly one for example. if months 3 and 4 were very nearly at the max monthly allowed and months 5-6-7 were fine then the system would take that in to account and issue some sort of mitigation to the over all yearly count.
Lets say for example. 40 is the monthly allowed number.
and they did 37 and 39 on months 1 and 2 (total 76 for the year)
but they did 0 in month 3
3 in month 4
and
0 in month 5.
then that would add 3 to the total making it 79 and then it would subtract 5. (or some arbitrary number decided by the devs) bringing the total down to 74.
The player would not really know that though as the amount allowed and those subtracted would not be told to you.
the yearly ammount could be as low as 80 or as high as or higer than 365. (who knows)
please note these numbers are just there as an example. i would fully expect the devs to decide what is a reasonable number for each counter.
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And this is why we leave it to FD to handle combat loggers.
see in theory I like the idea.
but I keep looking and something isn't sitting right.... wish I knew what.
As I said, there's no easy way to determine someone with a crappy, crash-prone PC/connection to a true combat logger.
Let FD determine that. Implementing any such hard coded limit will only see a backlash from people with genuine issues, all this just to appease the potentially relative minority of players who're out for blood.
Ergo: If someone logs on you, just move on and find the next hapless target. Don't get all hot and bothered enough to continually pursue the guy for your perceived loss of pride, ego or warped sense of honor. Heh....
Meh, I always doubt complexity. My eyes glazed over reading that. So as far as I'm hearing, you would want one super secret method for a yearly ban parade..... I think I am loosing the warm and fuzzies over this idea. It wouldn't stop individual CL'ing, enough to satisfy the reason for it.
Last I checked, NPCs don't grind for their ships, cargo, ranks, merits or vouchers. They also don't pay insurance when their ships go boom. False equivalencies are running rampant in here.
This happens to me at least once a day. Unless it can be proven beyond doubt, no one should be penalized for ctrl-alt-del'ing out.
I do not play in open. I did not buy this game to be social. I bought this game because it is Elite. That being said (wrote) if one plays in open then one needs to play honestly and not log out because some real person decided to shot you. If you bought this game for the social part and you don't like open than make a group with your friends, else play in open and take your lumps.
I have played Eve. No insurance in that game and I lost some expensive ships and some expensive implants. At least in this game you have insurance and it is very easy to make credits.
So if you're playing in open quit your complaining and take your lumps. At least you aint playing Eve.
The only way to fix combat logging is to force everyone into Open only mode. They'll learn through pain.
People keep asking for NPCs be more life like and less of a walk over - and as you are advocating cheating. Why not give the NPCs that human trait?
You're keen enough on humans doing it.
seems reasonably tight to me.
seems unequivocally fair
Seems doable (but only for open)
BUT i know i sometimes miss things, thats why its up here for people to mull over.
Put that in whatever serves as a suggestion box here.
I'm sure it will be in the next patch. Good luck.
Thankfully, someone moved this garbage out of the main discussion area.
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Hilarious.
It won't happen, granted.
Combat logging is a social issue. You can't solve it with code.
That's the thing that most people here just don't seem to get.
Sorry this idea won't work.
I get an average of 2 disconnects *from Frontier's servers* per gaming session. Usually happens at the most inconvenient times - transitioning between systems or flight modes, docking, etc. Is it my internet that's the problem, the fact that I'm based in Asia that's the problem, or Frontier's servers that are the problem? I don't know, other than to say I don't see this level of problems in the other games that I play.
I don't think that punishing people for failing to live next door to an Amazon data center is particularly helpful. We can't all live in the first world. And there are some serious problems with instancing, if you haven't noticed.
Yea, wish I knew for sure what is nagging at me.
FD would have to keep the number quiet, so people cannot game the system by staying under the thresholds.
And Customer Services would need a way to override the system for folks who can prove they didn't CL but had other problems.
The flip side also needs to be there, CS being able to add points should a report be a proven case of CL'ing, so they can trigger the auto ban/ open lockout.
Perhaps the lockout apply to groups as well. Because if the person is part of a large enough group then being excluded from open isn't really a big deal.
But being 100% locked in Solo for 2 weeks for proven cheating - and perhaps a fine for the cost of the ship that should have been lost if not cheating ??
Ditto me. In Asia too. And although I do live in what you would consider a First World city, the distance, or maybe the way traffic's routed to FD's server from where I am can make the game act weird sometimes. I get weird lag bugs during SC/Hyperspace transitions.
I even get critical heat level warnings out of the blue when doing... well... NOTHING. And suddenly my console sizzles and I take systems damage.
Am I gonna get punished for getting disco'ed the next time my connection drops while turning and burning?
I did state a few posts back, that educating people would serve better
Though sometimes the lesson has to be taught with consequences being brought forward
Exactly. I've played games where someone will blow themselves up before letting another player kill them. There really is no way to address it.