UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 5 - The Canonn

[CMDR-AD]

I too had wondered at the path regarding Meta-Alloys. The results of UAs being widely "investigated" so far appears to have been for the most part harmful. But this was something not hard to imagine, given their corrosive nature from the very first discovery.

Do the Federation, Empire, or Alliance have any general policy in place regarding newly discovered life forms? Surely, that of all the Earth-like worlds discovered, they must. I had presumed that those Earth-like worlds inside the bubble were filled with "non-intelligent" life which makes the backbone of Agriculture or Marine economy systems. All of those life-forms are directly exploited for food and otherwise, with only a very few systems banning say, plant or animal sourced goods.

Are the barnacles more than any other previously unknown tree, discovered long ago on some Earth-like world, which today is a thriving hub of human activity?

 

[Jorge]

You mean like the Emperor's Dawn Shadow Cell CG going on at the same time?


In which language would they say "don't pick me up"?
"no me tocas"?
"lass mich los"?
.. that's just 3 of the languages spoken on earth at the moment.
They might morse us in Bambara that they picked up from a radio transmission sent in the 1960ies.
And add some little "bzzzzzt" to get the message trough.

I'll grant you that point.

It still doesn't do much for the notion that they are sending a clear message. If we have learned anything about UAs and barnacles is that IF they are trying to communicate anything, the message is far from clear.

Edit: And by the way. If they decided to use Spanish, the correct tense for "don't touch me" would be "no me toques". "No me tocas" means "you are not touching me", which ironically could be taken to mean: "what's going on, why are you not touching me?"

 

[LordZoltan]

I'm not convinced the CG is the crossroads. Having people try to complete a CG is a foregone conclusion. A crossroads would be two seperate CG's... for example one with a high moral goal (Using the Meta-Alloys to fix a broken alien spaceship) and one with a high financial return (using the meta-alloys to make lots of credits).. that would be a crossroads... especially if only one could 'win'.

Having a CG with no real information about what we are doing and no real moral compass to guide us is not much of a crossroads.

That might make sense if the in-game character knew in advance what the outcome would lead to. In this case, it makes more sense for a simple success/fail branch.

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What I mean is - success for this CG means a chance for Palin to conduct his research; the outcome of which is not known.

 

[Gypsy12]

Ok. Tried this again.

Thoughts?

 

[Boomer Kay]

I'll grant you that point.

It still doesn't do much for the notion that they are sending a clear message. If we have learned anything about UAs and barnacles is that IF they are trying to communicate anything, the message is far from clear.

My spanish is very rusty .. and of questionable origin.

Well, the message for the reciever might not be clear - and obfuscated by scientific curiosity.

Going back to the cow-electric fence analogy - neither the cow nor the fence send out any clear message, if you don't know the context.
And the pain the fence is causing is meant for the cow, not so much for the trespasser. That's what the guns are for.

I'd say the damage is done, without us knowing it. We can just try to make amends .. or "initiate laser powered diplomacy".

 

[DustyArne]

Just to make sure..


We are looking for something that is actually in the game right? Frontier did ad all this stuff we are looking for in the game? We arn't chasing ghosts?

Merope and the other Barnacles arn't an isolated event?

 

[Han_Zen]

Just to make sure..


We are looking for something that is actually in the game right? Frontier did ad all this stuff we are looking for in the game? We arn't chasing ghosts?

Merope and the other Barnacles arn't an isolated event?

What are you looking for?

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Ok. Tried this again.

Thoughts?

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I don't get it. What are your thoghts? What do you see?

 

[Gypsy12]

What are you looking for?

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I don't get it. What are your thoghts? What do you see?

The bird images from the other side of the UA head fits precisely into this side. The first touches to both edges, second to edges of first inside bubbles, and so and so...
I put a lot of effort into getting as exact images as I could. from a stable debug view on a planets dark side.

I don't know... It just seems to mean something, and I cant figure it out...

 

[rizal72]

Ok. Tried this again.

Thoughts?

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The good news: if I remember well, and I do, no one ever tried what you did, I mean overlapping the two faces of the UA's head. So, kudos to you for the idea.
The bad news: unfortunately there's nothing coming out of it.

We like to think they are bull's heads, not birds

 

[t3l3c0n]

But we're humans. Shoot first, ask questions later is a proven concept in human space! It gave us dominance over dinosaurs and sabretooth tigers, it will give us dominance of whatever xenorace it trying to push our hard working miners out of their jobs!

You might want to rethink that, humans never had dominance over dinosaurs, there's a small matter of 65 million years separating them!

 

[CMDR Runcible Shaw]

Ok. Tried this again.

Thoughts?

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It's pretty?

 

[the_gibbon]

IMHO you are right: it's a crossroad.

If it is, then I fear, both sociologically and practically, it's a pretty bleak time for anyone who doesn't want an aggressive first contact (If we're not too late already)

Looking at it as an external force, then major human factions seem to vary between moustache-twirlingly evil and completely ambiguous. Aside from a few notable exceptions (the Truckers, your Good Cannon selves, Fuel Rats etc.) there is a large and high profile blockading/shoot-anything-that-moves cohort amongst CMDRs and even then, those with good intentions have been quite happy to take pot shots at the barnacles, albeit in the honourable name of science.

This leaves those who are visiting but not actually engaging, or those who aren't otherwise engaging with the UAs/MA/Barnacles. It's impossible for an external person (be that Thargoid or FD game-writer) to determine whether the person in their shiny new ASP hauling rares is doing so out of a non-interventionist intention, or is simply bumming around for the fun of it. The overhwhelming majority of CMDRs may be against violent interventions, but that won't make a bit of difference practically, as it could only take one shot.

It just feels to me that the odds are so stacked against anything other than 'shoot first' that there may not be as much choice inherent in these crossroads as it may appear.

Or I'm just being pessimistic.

 

[CMDR Runcible Shaw]

You might want to rethink that, humans never had dominance over dinosaurs, there's a small matter of 65 million years separating them!

I believe you'll find that Jesus had dominance over them.

 

[Gypsy12]

The good news: if I remember well, and I do, no one ever tried what you did, I mean overlapping the two faces of the UA's head. So, kudos to you for the idea.
The bad news: unfortunately there's nothing coming out of it.

We like to think they are bull's heads, not birds

Perhaps it could be a cipher key?

Say (Looking from top to bottom):

1: 0,0
2: Inside to Inside.
3: Inside to outside.
4: Outside to Outside (Or inside)
5: Inside to Middle.
6: Middle to Inside.
7: Outside to Middle

So perhaps rearrange a 7 letter word like this? Who knows...

 

[GilliganTX]

I believe you'll find that Jesus had dominance over them.

 

[CMDR-AD]

Barnacles...

 

[t3l3c0n]

I believe you'll find that Jesus had dominance over them.

Please tell me there's a humorous wink in there.

 

[_Dastardly_]

That might make sense if the in-game character knew in advance what the outcome would lead to. In this case, it makes more sense for a simple success/fail branch.

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What I mean is - success for this CG means a chance for Palin to conduct his research; the outcome of which is not known.

I'd agree with this.

 

[CMDR Runcible Shaw]

If it is, then I fear, both sociologically and practically, it's a pretty bleak time for anyone who doesn't want an aggressive first contact (If we're not too late already)

Looking at it as an external force, then major human factions seem to vary between moustache-twirlingly evil and completely ambiguous. Aside from a few notable exceptions (the Truckers, your Good Cannon selves, Fuel Rats etc.) there is a large and high profile blockading/shoot-anything-that-moves cohort amongst CMDRs and even then, those with good intentions have been quite happy to take pot shots at the barnacles, albeit in the honourable name of science.

This leaves those who are visiting but not actually engaging, or those who aren't otherwise engaging with the UAs/MA/Barnacles. It's impossible for an external person (be that Thargoid or FD game-writer) to determine whether the person in their shiny new ASP hauling rares is doing so out of a non-interventionist intention, or is simply bumming around for the fun of it. The overhwhelming majority of CMDRs may be against violent interventions, but that won't make a bit of difference practically, as it could only take one shot.

It just feels to me that the odds are so stacked against anything other than 'shoot first' that there may not be as much choice inherent in these crossroads as it may appear.

Or I'm just being pessimistic.

I think if the developers are smart they'll not let a first-contact scenario (I don't consider the UA or barnacles first contact because they seem far from sentient) be decided by one commander. Looking at what they've done in the past they'll let a CG or something similar determine the course of the story. Conversely I think it would be really interesting if Thargoid/alien first contact were done in a similar way to the treasure hunts. Everyone searches for the Thargoid ship/base but in the end just one commander gets to decide our first interaction with them. (Hopefully it's not someone from Lab 69).

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Please tell me there's a humorous wink in there.

Proof ...

 

[Boomer Kay]

Please tell me there's a humorous wink in there.

((There was a humorous wink in the dinosaur analogy already . ))

(( For the first contact -> researchers into the topic are well ahead of the masses of gunrattling hillbillies like me ;P so once you learn to communicate with them , you can explain that there's nice monkey and not so nice monkey, and while they taste the same, they do not follow the same agenda ... just ... don't let me use my spanish on them .. or my Bambara))