Hardware & Technical Looking to use a Samsung 55" curved 4K 'TV' as a monitor.

Commander Slick

Commander Slick
hi,

I'm looking at a Samsung 55" 4K OLED curved screen TV for use as a monitor for gaming. They claim a 'motion rate' of 120 under the refresh rate spec, which I'm assuming is some software optimization of 60 hz. - all for $979 (US) right now.

it has an HDMI in the back, suggested as the PC input.

I figure i'll back out the FOV a bit (getting some upper windshield visibility, too), and set it back just enough to _not completely_ subtend my peripheral vision, then use some self-invented tracking device.

I'd do it this afternoon, except people offer these "double wide" desktop monitors for a lot more.

question: the specs seem to suggest it will be just fine for gaming. is there any reason for me to think otherwise?

no, I'm not interested in HMD, nor am I interested in projectors. Done them both. I like the 'huge image', with 4K ability, plus much lower operating cost versus a projector.

This would be for a dedicated 'simulator-type' setup as opposed to an ungainly desktop.

perhaps I'm plowing new ground here, but am open to other's observations.

thanks.
 

DustyArne

DustyArne
I have no reason to think this totally WONT kick butt!! lol


I'd say go for it, i play on Xbox, so no 4k, in like never.. But i do have a 65inch 4K Curved.. only wish it was OLED (are you sure its really OLED?) aswell for the deep black, but with playing the settings a bit i come close..


You cant go wrong here.. Awesome TV to play Elite on it.
 
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Lane1572

Lane1572
I will be doing the same thing in March. 65in 4k curved tv. I would be interested to know what GPU you use and how it handles the demands of 4k
 

drew

drew
I play with a modest 1080p Samsung 40" TV for my computer. Mine is v-sync'd at 60fps. No issues at all with the TV in 'game mode'. I did have to play with a few settings to get some of the image correction options switched off which reduced what looked like 'ghosting' around text.

Cheers,

Drew.
 
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Commander Slick

Commander Slick
hi,

sweet reference - good links there, too.

seems my stuff (truck driving, Elite) are good matches for this 'TV'.

I giggle at the millisecond references - simply because I used to play games measured in seconds-per-frame, instead of the other way around :)

-Slick
 

CMDR Byr Goefin

C
I have one, not used it as a monitor yet. I should, but have to haul "the box" downstairs to do it.

Running it through the Harmon Kardon 5.1 should be interesting too...
 

Jon flint

Jon flint
It will be excellent, i use a not so snazzy 42" 4k lg tv and it's great as a monitor, a massive screen close up really makes great use of head tracking too :)

Your set probably does have an actual 120Hz refresh rate like mine does but like mine it probably also does some silly (optional) frame interpolation so they claim up to 900Hz "motion clarity", nothing but marketing.

Remember to set the input name to pc, as this auto turns off some of the junk you don't need. Also if your using an nvidia card, make sure your colour output is set to full and not limited via nvidia control panel.
 
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GJ51

GJ51
I think the most critical thing you have to think about is how far away from the screen you will be sitting.

In a living room/family room setting using a console, a big screen TV may work well, but at a workstation or gaming desk, a TV may actually be a poor choice.

I'm using a 34" curved Dell 344X1440 and couldn't be happier. I'm about 30" from the screen and the resolution and panoramic view work really well with ED as well as normal desktop computing, with great frame rates from my 980Ti.

I believe the setting you want to game in would be the most important factor. Up close at a "normal" or gaming PC setting, I'd go with a gaming monitor or large 4k single monitor, but if you go 4k be sure you have the graphics power you'll need to get good frame rates. I went the 34" 2k route because I also have another 24" 1920X1200 monitor i use as desktop acces while in ED and the 980Ti can power both and still get great frame rates in ED.

YMMV
 

bambam_ofc

bambam_ofc
Careful... Samsung don't AFAIK sell a OLED curved 4K TV (LED backlight yes, not OLED display).

Plus all 4K's are not equal when it comes to color - what you're looking for is 4:4:4 chroma via HDMI, e.g. see "Supported Resolutions for each of UHD Input Signals" in this Samsung JU6500 user guide, page 166:

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/201508/20150806092714298/ENG_HMUDVBEUJ-1.312.pdf

I assume this ain't the model you're looking at but that's the info you need to check for whatever TV you're interested in. Most current TV's only support a lower video data rate over HDMI referred to as 4:2:2 chroma or less, where the color data is compressed to reduce the data-per-pixel. That means the luminance info is at the full 4K but the color is actually in small multi-pixel blocks.

The good news is that Samsung is, AFAIK, the first TV vendor to have a curved 4K TV (range) that is actually capable of 4K 4:4:4 at 50p (and maybe 60p, but not sure of that), e.g. the JU6500 and up..

But you have to check the detailed spec in the user guide, and that's where they'll tell you to set the right options to get the PC-HDMI-TV link to actually work to spec.

I tried a 65-inch 4K TV (Sony) as an Elite Dangerous display and it kicked ass, even though it was only running at 30p, so IMHO it's well worth doing, and the *height* of the TV is actually better for ED than the more typical wide-aspect dedicated computer monitor (because you're often looking UP as you pitch onto the tail of a target).
 
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Commander Slick

Commander Slick
bambam_ofc said:
Careful... Samsung don't AFAIK sell a OLED curved 4K TV (LED backlight yes, not OLED display).
Click to expand...

You are correct. It's listed as "Smart LED" - I _think_ the flyer listed it as OLED.

This is the model# - UN55JU670D - I couldn't quickly map the number to the pdf you mention.

anyway - I can stand to wait a few months on this one. Maybe they'll work 3D into the mix. I know they already make a larger screen.

From the total amount of shared information, going forwards is a good idea. i'll need to CAD some sort of minimal cockpit for everything else.

and YES - the upper window in any craft is the most overlooked.

Thanks everyone. This is something to look forwards to.

-Slick
 

DavelKence

D
I'd question whether it can do proper 120hz at full 4k resolution or whether that's some kind of smoothing or only at 1080

However, saying that, I use a Samsung 40" 4k TV as my desktop monitor and its awesome. It's the JU6400 model and supports 4:4:4 @60hz over HDMI1 so all higher models should do the same or better

One thing to bear in mind is that AMD cards don't yet support HDMI 2.0 so you either need a display port to HDMI 2.0 adapter (which have only just been released and are still a little hard to get hold of) or an nVidia 900 series card (980 to actually play at 4k)
 

bambam_ofc

bambam_ofc
Commander Slick said:
This is the model# - UN55JU670D - I couldn't quickly map the number to the pdf you mention.
Click to expand...
I think that must be the JU6700, and I'd concur this seems to be the best 4K TV for gaming at the moment (edit... errr, ok maybe the LG in my post below is better) - it does do 4:4:4 chroma at 50p/60p (I assume that's 50p for Europe, 60p for US). i.e. max 60 frames per second. To be clear, the '120' hz reference is marketing for some kind of upscaling - I don't think ANY TV would be capable of 120 fps 4K, not least because the HDMI interface doesn't have the bandwidth to transmit that. But I do think the JU6700 is as good as you can get for now.

Manual with that detail is here: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/201512/20151210090904492/ENG_US-HMUATSCJ-1.318-1203.pdf
 
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jmp470

J
I have a 55" Samsung curved TV and I tried this the other day.... It was awesome.... But, not comfortable to play, because my TV is in my living room and I was sitting on the floor looking up... The TV was amazing looking, though.
 
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