Curse you VR gods!
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I haven't jumped on the band wagon yet but this certainly isn't going to fail this time. Yes the rigs are expensive and the technology although at a very good level now still isn't perfect yet. But it will continually improve from this point on and the processing power required will get cheaper.
Just go back say 10 or 15 years I used to drool of the then new 42 inch plasma TVs that at the time required a second mortgage to purchase one. Now they're almost giving them away. Well slight exaggeration but they are certainly as cheap as chips.
IMO before actually buying VR gear one should try it, it should not be that hard to find way to do it.
It tried friend's DK2 and i can say for sure... i will not buy it. Not now. While elite looks realy impressing and cool, it is still not ideal, our PC-s are still unable to produce perfect photo-realistic graphics...
And another issue is that it is still unknown how much content will be available.... elite is well and good, but still too much money for a single game...
It tried friend's DK2 and i can say for sure... i will not buy it. Not now. While elite looks realy impressing and cool, it is still not ideal, our PC-s are still unable to produce perfect photo-realistic graphics...
And another issue is that it is still unknown how much content will be available.... elite is well and good, but still too much money for a single game...
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wise words and indeed i demoed my DK2 to a number of people.
1 went home that day and ordered their own, the others said a mixture of "i will get when a comsumer grade version comes out" or "fantastic but I cant get over the SDE / low resolution but will pick up when that improves" or "I wish i could afford it, but will get it when the tech to run it filters down". All however found it an amazing experience and agreed that VR is finally probably here to stay, albeit niche for the next few years..
photorealistic however is too much to expect.
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If you're waiting for photo realistic you'll be waiting for a very long time.
I almost certainly will not.
What i wanted to say here - current tech is not perfect. In fact it is very, very far from being perfect. So everyone should try it and decide whether it is acceptable or not, before spending a lot of money on it.
As for me - when i see blurred textures, AA artefacts, and other things like this on the screen it does not bother me. It is acceptable. But when i see them in VR it completely breaks immersion to the point when i want to take off the headset because it becomes uncomfortable...
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Your two statements don't even reconcile. You say you won't be waiting very long for "photo-realistic" visuals and then go on to say current tech is very, very far from perfect - which implies it will be some time before it's good enough for you.
Make up your mind!
You sound like someone who either has anxiety issues or simply does not understand the history of VR development and how amazing even Oculus DK2 is.
It was the most advanced developer kit at the lowest price in history.
I have no idea what you're talking about when you say AA artifacts? ATI? Nvidia?
I have not experienced anything on Oculus DK2 that "completely" or even partially breaks immersion except when a game is too demanding and judder ensues.
Some people can't get over the drop in pixel resolution with VR and they are predominately people who are oblivious to the history of VR. In other words... they can't appreciate the massive leap in visual fidelity that Oculus brought.
I know... I owned an io-systems PC3d with temperature sensitive LCD with contrast so poor 90% of games were unplayable.
I have tried just about every Oculus game and demo and no longer player games without VR. Zero discomfort.
Ultra-high density (retina) VR is at least 4 generations away and we may be looking at an average of 1 generation per 2 or 3 years.
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i like the word goggles, but vr googles make me smile.
The CV1 and Vive use thinner fresnel lenses, allowing us to play with glasses on.
This single game takes ALL of my gaming time and I for one am fine with just this one game on VR for now! BTW there is also warthunder which is also a flying combat game with plenty of strategy and supporting VR you know
There's loads of other games besides you can play right now using the dk2! What are you talking about? Deary me.
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So you tried a friend's DK2?
How much time did you spend on DK2 in total?
How long has your friend had it and what has he done with it?
"our PC-s are still unable to produce perfect photo-realistic graphics..." << You sound like someone I know who is always seeking perfection and complaining that nothing is good enough.
"And another issue is that it is still unknown how much content will be available..." << There will be 122 titles over the next 5 years.
"elite is well and good, but still too much money for a single game..." >>> Elite isn't a single game. It has 3 hidden games you can unlock by entering a secret code. I can't reveal any details of those hidden games but one of them involves a Lara Croft style character with enormous charm.
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Good vr experiences I have tried and work in newest runtime
Fully playable
ED (of course) tho whether it will be on the rift.........?
Project cars
Time machine VR
FSX
Lunar Flight
ETS2
Ark
Dirt rally
Retro arcade
Radial gg
Windlands
Shuffle puck cafe
(Eve VV, Lucky's tale and a bunch of others I have not tried )
Good vr experiences which have potential but may need more work or may not work on current drivers
Asset to corsa
I racing
Star conflict
Warthunder (so close to being good)
That along with the huge mass of demos and experiences not to mention a whole bunch of stuff I have forgotten about or do not know about means there is more content that the ps4, Xbox 1 or Wii had on launch day.
It's odd that warthunder is off in vr because star conflict is superbly supported and by the same guys
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Lunar Flight is great. ETS2 looks amazing in VR. Dirt Rally great but have they fixed the menu system? It was oversized when I tried it. Ark I own and tried on the 970 I purchased last week. Still runs like a snail for me. Radial G is amazing. Retro AC a bit too retro for me. Windlands is cute but not my thing. Not tried the pucky thing.
Trackmania stadium is stunning in VR.
Vectir 36 is impressive but early days so it needs to be optimised.
I've heard Assetto Corsa isn't so great in VR and haven't tried it.
AC is amazing but its a faff to get it to work. It ran well on my rig but this was on the older drivers. Much like Frontier kunos stopped work once they had proof of concept with a view to waiting for consumer drivers
I never got around to trying trakmania
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I know VR was broken in Warthunder couple of months ago but now fixed and works with VR. That being said they have work to do to enhance graphics for VR.(like the clouds for example behaving funky looking and ennemy markers not enabled yet). Enemy markers are important becuase of the DK2 lower resolution not being able to compete with other players playing on monitors.
So do you see enemy markers using the DK2 with DCS? Is there many online human players playing? If so, I may have to give DCS a shot soon.
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Long time lurker, but thought I'd add my 2p
there's a bit of a misconception that you need a ridiculous spec machine to run VR. I've just upgraded from a 5 year old PC I've been running ready for the CV1, it had had a couple of tweaks over the 5 years, most notably a second hand r9 290 last year. I've been running the DK2 on that without any issue - not able to run everything at max but you don't need that for immersion. The main reason to upgrade was I wanted something more portable so a mini ITX. So new Motherboard, RAM, CPU, case. I've kept my now 2 year old gfx card, drives, psu etc.
I would say I've built a low end gaming PC compared to the insanely expensive rigs some people build. But my GFX card is no longer held back by the CPU and some benchmarks are up 80%. futuremark puts my PC a nice jump up from the "Oculus Rift Recomended Spec" and in the top 21% of machines, which given the number of results they have probably means there are millions of PC's out there better than mine.
So medium spec new hardware combined with a gfx card you can pick up for about £150 on ebay and I've got a machine that will easily last out the first year or so of VR as all games released will be targeted to run well enough to be showcases (so really well) on a machine slightly worse than mine.
"back in the day" my dad spent about £100 on an atari 2600 for us to play on .. that's about £650 in modern money ... and lets not think about how much the colour TV cost you needed to run it properly... those consoles, they'll never take off!
The final point to my rambling is VR is not all about photo realistic rendering, yes it will be amazing when PC's get to that level but that's not for a long time. In VR you can have an empty room with a cube in it, on a flat monitor it looks crap, on a 3d monitor it looks like a crap 3d cube, in VR your brain believes it's a physical object, basic but a real cube ... there's a huge difference.
there's a bit of a misconception that you need a ridiculous spec machine to run VR. I've just upgraded from a 5 year old PC I've been running ready for the CV1, it had had a couple of tweaks over the 5 years, most notably a second hand r9 290 last year. I've been running the DK2 on that without any issue - not able to run everything at max but you don't need that for immersion. The main reason to upgrade was I wanted something more portable so a mini ITX. So new Motherboard, RAM, CPU, case. I've kept my now 2 year old gfx card, drives, psu etc.
I would say I've built a low end gaming PC compared to the insanely expensive rigs some people build. But my GFX card is no longer held back by the CPU and some benchmarks are up 80%. futuremark puts my PC a nice jump up from the "Oculus Rift Recomended Spec" and in the top 21% of machines, which given the number of results they have probably means there are millions of PC's out there better than mine.
So medium spec new hardware combined with a gfx card you can pick up for about £150 on ebay and I've got a machine that will easily last out the first year or so of VR as all games released will be targeted to run well enough to be showcases (so really well) on a machine slightly worse than mine.
"back in the day" my dad spent about £100 on an atari 2600 for us to play on .. that's about £650 in modern money ... and lets not think about how much the colour TV cost you needed to run it properly... those consoles, they'll never take off!
The final point to my rambling is VR is not all about photo realistic rendering, yes it will be amazing when PC's get to that level but that's not for a long time. In VR you can have an empty room with a cube in it, on a flat monitor it looks crap, on a 3d monitor it looks like a crap 3d cube, in VR your brain believes it's a physical object, basic but a real cube ... there's a huge difference.
So true! Electronics wise we are so lucky now. Amazing TVs are cheap as chips and computer gear....... Similar experience to you really Xmas 1982 I got a joint Xmas and 7th birthday present of a speccy 48k. My parents were dog poor at the time, it was a stupid gift really and yet it shaped my childhood and who I am today. I can't thank them enough. It was £149.99 and they had to get it on the drip
I started off my vr dk2 experience with a feb2011 i5 2500k and a gtx670. Sure I had to lower details but it still blew me away.
To put into context before oculus rift this was my best vr experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6t69mp0ZhE
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