UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 6 - The Canonn
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ACK! *slinks away* >.>
I think it's CMDR MBROOKES, as at some point that a pirate reported on the forum he stole canisters of tea from a CMDR MBROOKES in a brand new Diamondback.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=171058&highlight=cmdr+mbrookes
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Can you indicate where the Pleiades and Barnard's Loop are on this?
If the assumptions are that the barnacle is at the centre, and that it's a map of nebulae viewed top-down, then it should be possible to relate two dots on the overlay to these two nebulae. If that can be done, even with a fair amount of error, it should be possible to then check if the other dots are also close to nebulae - especially the two yellow ones.
Pleiades at top-right?
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This is a great idea. To do list:
Find software where we can draw continuous lat and long on a globe (also bear in mind that some planets are so small they're not proper spheres)
Figure out a way of getting the most accurate bearings from the barnacles sites. (Perhaps with two srvs)
Do this for several on one planet. If we get an obvious intersection, then it's time to chase that sucker down! (That might also be a big job considering the scales involved!)
Not much I can do before the weekend though...
Or, to short-circuit the thought process a bit, if the Pleiades is 26,000LY from Sag A, and if the overlay is scaled roughly correctly, then the two yellow dots are something like 5,000LY from Sag A.
Are there any nebulae around that distance from Sag A?
Yes, the local neighborhood is top right in those images. My ships are all in the bubble of course, and I was parked next to a barnacle in the Pleiades Nebula at the time, so that's the blue pointer. As you can see, when you zoom out to the galactic scale, those points are basically on top of eachother; I can double check Barnard's Loop but I suspect it will appear very close as well, so I don't think we'll get two spikes to match two nearby nebulae -- the spikes are just too far apart when extrapolated to this scale.
That's why I was hoping that one of the two fruits would be far enough out to correspond to Sol or the Pleiades by itself, since then the other fruit could be taken as a pointer to another area, but that didn't work out since the fruits are both so close to the center.
I have a feeling that the Meta-Alloy CG had more than one function. Or did it?
All right guys, this might be totally unrelated, but I have been doing a lot of reading about the Pleiades. There are many, many legends/meanings behind the Pleiades depending on the culture, and it's something we can actually see from Earth even with the naked eye.
Either way, here is one of the earliest depictions of cosmology that we have found (dated around 1600BC). The Pleiades are actually depicted here.
Is this related to anything? No idea But just something else to consider. I am trying to read as much about this disc as possible, and see if there is anything else depicted here that could give any links. For those that are curious, this is called the "Nebra Sky Disc"
Either way, here is one of the earliest depictions of cosmology that we have found (dated around 1600BC). The Pleiades are actually depicted here.
Is this related to anything? No idea
But just something else to consider. I am trying to read as much about this disc as possible, and see if there is anything else depicted here that could give any links. For those that are curious, this is called the "Nebra Sky Disc"
The circled area kind of looks like Bernard's Loop or the LMC
The markings on the center structure might indicate a point of interest to start from? Or at least B'sLoop maybe? I'm not at my home PC at the moment so i can't check the GalMap but i think we shouldn't disregard the markings.
Here's how ALL of the sites i took pictures of are laid out. Note that it's sometimes necessary to turn the picture 180 but it is basically this pattern as "on top" as i could manage
Not too serious (tinfoilhatting) By the way, do we even know if what light spectrum etc. the "unknown" species sees things in? I mean looking at the symbol with inverted colors it might as well be
very long shot -
Here's how ALL of the sites i took pictures of are laid out. Note that it's sometimes necessary to turn the picture 180 but it is basically this pattern as "on top" as i could manage
Not too serious (tinfoilhatting) By the way, do we even know if what light spectrum etc. the "unknown" species sees things in? I mean looking at the symbol with inverted colors it might as well be
very long shot -
I just noticed an additional quirk with the make an arrow idea. We have to make sure our angle toward the centre of the barnacle bit is always almost 90 degrees from the surface of the planet (pointing as straight down as possible) otherwise it's possible for the direction to be wildly skewed
These are both the same barnacle from what would appear at first glance to be almost the same angle but the heading is more than 30 degrees off on the second one. Caused by a mere six degrees of extra tilt before re-lining up!
These are both the same barnacle from what would appear at first glance to be almost the same angle but the heading is more than 30 degrees off on the second one. Caused by a mere six degrees of extra tilt before re-lining up!
All right guys, this might be totally unrelated, but I have been doing a lot of reading about the Pleiades. There are many, many legends/meanings behind the Pleiades depending on the culture, and it's something we can actually see from Earth even with the naked eye.
Either way, here is one of the earliest depictions of cosmology that we have found (dated around 1600BC). The Pleiades are actually depicted here.
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Is this related to anything? No idea
To further add to my own post: The Nebra Sky Disk as found was actually missing one of its golden markings. This is what it is supposed to look like:
These two are probably unrelated, but again, they might be related. (Thank you Snooch for the image).I shall keep reading and investigating the historical meanings of the Pleiades
It wouldn't be the first time a game uses legends and myths for some in-game elements
I think it was Han (although might have been Red, sorry) who pointed out rightly - the issue with the icon looking like the LMC is that the colouring isn't consistent. In order for it to work, both the light & dark areas on the icon would have to represent the 'lit' parts of the LMC.
It's weird - there is a definite similarity and, with a following wind, to Barnard's as well - but neither are 'right'.
Plus there's thing of exactly why would it make any sense, and why would it be repeated three times?
Something we're missing here I think...
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Well, obviously!
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I would argue the opposite actually: when pointing nearly straight down, the compass/heading indicator is much less stable; we should instead try to be as level as possible when lining up the "axis" of the formation, in order to get a good reading on the compass.
In my original galaxy map idea, I was really hoping that the symbol would serve as a reference point to orient the formation correctly onto the galaxy map by aligning the symbol to the direction of the LMC. Then I realized the symbol is repeated 3 times all around the barnacle, so that doesn't work. Now I'm back to supposing that it's either a relatively arbitrary "maker's mark" which will only be apparent when we later discover something else bearing the same symbol, or else it's meant as a confirmation when we put forth some other tentative solution to the puzzle and then discover that the symbol is an exact match for something in that context.
Not being able to check ingame map at the moment, but could someone see if there's a "blue snowball nebula" or NGC 7662, in the game? and does it look anything like the symbol in the games galaxy map? All I have is google photos to work with at the moment.
Also, if it's in game, what is the distance from sol? +/- 100ly
Also, if it's in game, what is the distance from sol? +/- 100ly
Huh, i was just taking a look at the GalMap to see if i can somehow spot any similarities to the pattern.. and well, it might be another dead end but this is right in front of Barnard's loop. Note the peculiar alignment of stars through a nebula.
Can i ask you to take a look at the Map yourself and see if you find any patterns other than the strange star alignment? Let's say the Orion Nebula in this is our barnacle site center structure.
Maybe 15-17 nebulas aligned neatly like the barnacle pattern (heh, or similar, not THAT easy)
Apologies if you feel like this is way too random but i couldn't help but noticing it.
Can i ask you to take a look at the Map yourself and see if you find any patterns other than the strange star alignment? Let's say the Orion Nebula in this is our barnacle site center structure.
Maybe 15-17 nebulas aligned neatly like the barnacle pattern (heh, or similar, not THAT easy
) Apologies if you feel like this is way too random but i couldn't help but noticing it.
Looks like a ball
can you zoom in or something to see if it's anything like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_7662 says?- Status