UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 6 - The Canonn

[NetSlayer]

That explains why I was having such a hard time reporting your results when using the raw spreadsheet days. I was going to try again today and see if I was making some stupid mistake. I might still do it if I get the tune. Always good to have more people doing things.

I would still recommend that you not apply the axial tilt when converting to Cartesian coordinates. It really doesn't make any sense to rotate the points unless you are converting to system coordinates, which would require orbital information.

You might also just want to skip the conversion to Cartesian altogether and just keep it in spherical.

Reporting my results? Should be no problem with raw coordinate data...unless I'm missing some thing o.0

Probably should leave axial tilt...until later...
*crosses off plans to make his own orrery map system*

Scatter plots are easier to plot in plot.ly using Cartesian coords. A necessary step for most scatterplots out there unless I pay for mathematica or matlab. Alternately I could try some other JS or webgl but that might take me a few months...

Still... The plot is accurate now, all it needs is some extras... Some very tricky extras.....

 

[entim]

The barnacle coordinates are accurate locally on a given planet. Are you looking to convert these local coordinates to system coordinates? As you yourself pointed out, the distance between stars is so great that going beyond system coordinates is essentially meaningless.

When looking at system coordinates, axial tilt provides a very, very small offset.

Ultimately, I'm not sure I understand what it is you are trying to accomplish. I'd be happy to help with the math, although I must point out that it isn't trivial. The issue here is that while we do have some distances, we don't (in general) have actual 3D coordinates for each body in the system. Anything more than a 2-body problem (or anything that effectively reduces to a set of independent 2-body problems, like 1 star, 1 large planet, 1 small moon) does require rather accurate starting conditions. We can make some stability assumptions, but ideally we'd need both the velocity vector and exact coordinates for each body. The latter can be gotten by flying to manually to a body and then targeting multiple other bodies and then working out the individual positions. Velocities could be estimated by requiring a stable orbit.

But I'm still not sure what the point would be. What are you hoping to see? In system coordinates, the barnacle positions are going to be (temporally) smeared around the rotational axis of their host body (planet), then (slowly) smeared around the orbit of the host body. Orbital distances are going to be quite large compared to distances between barnacles on a single planet, so visually it would just reduce to a point tracing out the planetary orbit.

Thanks for the answer, fyo.

What I'm trying to accomplish depends on the level of simulation ED does. Generally speaking I want to provide as many visual hints as possible, to feed intuition. I'm not clear on how planets orbit in ED though.

These are my assumptions about how planets work in ED, please correct them if needed:

1. Planets do orbit around other planets, or stars.
2. Planets do rotate around themselves.
3. Star systems do not move compared to other star systems. The galaxy is static at this level.

Based on these I agree with you about that positioning planets and barnacle sites correctly in the galactic coordinate system doesn't make sense, since these change constantly.

What's probably doable, and may give useful hints to commanders:

• Tilt planet rotation axis correctly on the galactic plane.
• Represent the orbital plane of a planet in the galactic reference frame.

My questions:

1. Is the axial tilt constant in the galactic reference frame? Is it possible that a planet orbits around another body, which orbits on a different orbital plane around another body? E.g. Pleione 11A orbits around Pleione 11 with x inclination, and Pleione 11 orbits around Pleione with y inclination. Axial tilt of Pleione 11A will constantly change on the galactic plane in this case.
2. What's the reference plane of the orbital inclination in ED? Is it the orbital plane of the orbited body?
3. Does the axial tilt value of a planet give any information about the direction the axis is tilted? E.g. if the tilt is 90°, then we know that the rotation axis of the planet is in the rotation plane, but we don't know where the axis looks on the plane, correct?

 

[entim]

Reporting my results? Should be no problem with raw coordinate data...unless I'm missing some thing o.0

Probably should leave axial tilt...until later...
*crosses off plans to make his own orrery map system*

Scatter plots are easier to plot in plot.ly using Cartesian coords. A necessary step for most scatterplots out there unless I pay for mathematica or matlab. Alternately I could try some other JS or webgl but that might take me a few months...

Still... The plot is accurate now, all it needs is some extras... Some very tricky extras.....

Hi NetSlayer, I can share the source code of the site I'm working on if you want to experiment, and it suits your goals. Or give me instructions on what to display and I'll try to do it.

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Just negate the z coordinate coming from EDSM.

Yeah that's the obvious fix (actually it's the x coordinate if I'm not mistaken). I haven't yet found a way to do it nicely in three, without needing to be always coscious about the negation when I handle coordinates. If I do it with a transformation matrix on the scene level, then normals are flipped as well, and controls get messed up.

 

[fyo]

Reporting my results? Should be no problem with raw coordinate data...unless I'm missing some thing o.0

Reporting should be replicating. Stupid phone

 

[Han_Zen]

SUPER FREAKED OUT. I was about to head to the P-neb when I remembered I didn't have a fuel scoop, I headed back to DIAGUANDRI, after investigating a few distress calls (one was a DBX, was freaking out until I scanned it and got its name and found it wasn't anything special), I headed over to Ray Gateway. I dropped in perpendicular to the station, less than 9Km out.

Here's where it gets weird. There was an object outside of scanning range that moved from the north axis of my scanner to the south end RAPIDLY. Way faster than an object out of range should be moving (I was moving in a straight line towards the station, to left towards the mail slot). When I noticed it, it suddenly ZOOMED, I mean ZOOMED in the direction that the mail slot lets out of. I started boosting as best I could towards it (392 boost speed in my ASP) But I COULD NOT catch it. It stayed out of scanning range the entire time, it was moving so fast. It looked like it reflected orange light, but I cant say for sure. Once it was in my range of vision it was OFF the scanners and too far away to see.

I did not lock on to the object, I couldn't even get any where close to it.

IT DID NOT LEAVE A WAKE. I kept boosting trying to see if there would be a wake but there wasn't. No boost contrails either.

EDIT: I know it's not much to go on, I don't record or have any screenshots, but this object was amazingly fast. Like watching someone zoom past you in supercruise while you're sitting at 30km/s, but out of scanner range

And this is why you should have shadow-play or similar active when you play. It's mush easier to grab those screen shots from a video, after it happens.

 

[DrakeAurum]

And this is why you should have shadow-play or similar active when you play. It's mush easier to grab those screen shots from a video, after it happens.

AMD Gaming Evolved is nice for this - it has a facility to record a period of video on a loop (I set it to 30 seconds), so even if you're not actively recording when something happens, you can capture the footage of it with a keypress.

 

[Han_Zen]

AMD Gaming Evolved is nice for this - it has a facility to record a period of video on a loop (I set it to 30 seconds), so even if you're not actively recording when something happens, you can capture the footage of it with a keypress.

Shadow play has the same feature. I have it set to 5 mins. because I'm a bit slow.

 

[rizal72]

SUPER FREAKED OUT. I was about to head to the P-neb when I remembered I didn't have a fuel scoop, I headed back to DIAGUANDRI, after investigating a few distress calls (one was a DBX, was freaking out until I scanned it and got its name and found it wasn't anything special), I headed over to Ray Gateway. I dropped in perpendicular to the station, less than 9Km out.

Here's where it gets weird. There was an object outside of scanning range that moved from the north axis of my scanner to the south end RAPIDLY. Way faster than an object out of range should be moving (I was moving in a straight line towards the station, to left towards the mail slot). When I noticed it, it suddenly ZOOMED, I mean ZOOMED in the direction that the mail slot lets out of. I started boosting as best I could towards it (392 boost speed in my ASP) But I COULD NOT catch it. It stayed out of scanning range the entire time, it was moving so fast. It looked like it reflected orange light, but I cant say for sure. Once it was in my range of vision it was OFF the scanners and too far away to see.

I did not lock on to the object, I couldn't even get any where close to it.

IT DID NOT LEAVE A WAKE. I kept boosting trying to see if there would be a wake but there wasn't. No boost contrails either.

EDIT: I know it's not much to go on, I don't record or have any screenshots, but this object was amazingly fast. Like watching someone zoom past you in supercruise while you're sitting at 30km/s, but out of scanner range

It's a well known glitch. I've observed it a few times myself.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=229001&page=19&p=3520319&viewfull=1#post3520319

 

[fyo]

Poor forum searcher here, but I have this question that may have been noted, so ignore if a rehash.

In https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=222049&p=3388944&viewfull=1#post3388944 all the systems where the Barnacles have been found have a B-type giant as the primary.

Could they need that type of light to operate?

Related?

That is incorrect.

Pleione and Merope do have a B-type star, but PLEIADES SECTOR JC-U B3-2 does not and it has 2 of the 4 planets that have currently been found with barnacles.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

After a fruitless search of the Flame Nebula (not a single possible candidate planet within tolerances) I've moved on to Bernard's Loop. My first find was this:

Spoiler

I must admit I was excited in finding a planet 11 times the mass of Earth, and a bit scared. Would I be able to land there...?

It turned out to be an anti-climax. After scanning it was an Ice-dog... 1.6G. What? The thing must be swiss cheese ice...

But then I discovered this...

Spoiler

My first possible candidate... and it's a potato!

With Mineral Deposits

However, I'm thinking it might be a bit rocky.

Onwards and upwards. There are a number of other landables in this system...

 

[Duedy]

After a fruitless search of the Flame Nebula (not a single possible candidate planet within tolerances) I've moved on to Bernard's Loop. My first find was this:

Spoiler

I must admit I was excited in finding a planet 11 times the mass of Earth, and a bit scared. Would I be able to land there...?
http://sheehy-family.net/images/cheese.png
It turned out to be an anti-climax. After scanning it was an Ice-dog... 1.6G. What? The thing must be swiss cheese ice...

But then I discovered this...

Spoiler

My first possible candidate... and it's a potato!
http://sheehy-family.net/images/potato.png

With Mineral Deposits
http://sheehy-family.net/images/minerals.png

However, I'm thinking it might be a bit rocky.
http://sheehy-family.net/images/rocky.png

Onwards and upwards. There are a number of other landables in this system...

Being that close to the star it woud be a baked potato. I will have mine with coleslaw and cheese.

 

[Snooch leBooch]

After a fruitless search of the Flame Nebula (not a single possible candidate planet within tolerances) I've moved on to Bernard's Loop. My first find was this:

Spoiler

I must admit I was excited in finding a planet 11 times the mass of Earth, and a bit scared. Would I be able to land there...?
http://sheehy-family.net/images/cheese.png
It turned out to be an anti-climax. After scanning it was an Ice-dog... 1.6G. What? The thing must be swiss cheese ice...

But then I discovered this...

Spoiler

My first possible candidate... and it's a potato!
http://sheehy-family.net/images/potato.png

With Mineral Deposits
http://sheehy-family.net/images/minerals.png

However, I'm thinking it might be a bit rocky.
http://sheehy-family.net/images/rocky.png

Onwards and upwards. There are a number of other landables in this system...

Just make sure you have your tinted visor ready. Spent last week in Barnard's loop and there's only so much pink a man can take, never thought that would bother me but after a few hours it certainly did

Spoiler

note: this planet is actually brown/grey-ish and i payed the man for a white paintjob on that asp

 

[Lazerus Artificial]

Just make sure you have your tinted visor ready. Spent last week in Barnard's loop and there's only so much pink a man can take, never thought that would bother me but after a few hours it certainly did

Spoiler

View attachment 100184note: this planet is actually brown/grey-ish and i payed the man for a white paintjob on that asp

wait...lightning works now?
a while ago i visited a system that was completely pink on the map

but this is how the belt looked like :/

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

Being that close to the star it woud be a baked potato. I will have mine with coleslaw and cheese.

Actually, having scanned another few of these planets, and finding that they are all potatoes, I have decided to rename this system Spud-U-Like.

Just make sure you have your tinted visor ready. Spent last week in Barnard's loop and there's only so much pink a man can take, never thought that would bother me but after a few hours it certainly did

Spoiler

View attachment 100184note: this planet is actually brown/grey-ish and i payed the man for a white paintjob on that asp

I know what you mean, man. Last night I parked up on the day side. Not only did I wake up on the night side, but I had also lost grip with the surface and found myself floating 24km above the surface in wonderful pinkness.

Spoiler

Was not good for my vertigo...

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wait...lightning works now?
a while ago i visited a system that was completely pink on the map
http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/w585/LazerusKI/Elite/th_Screenshot_0000_zpsx0burzyq.png
but this is how the belt looked like :/
http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/w585/LazerusKI/Elite/th_Screenshot_0001_zpsaeapjhan.png

Yep. I've been hanging around Nebulae for a couple of weeks now. The dark side (Ooooh!!!) of planets are now lit by the Nebula.

Here's one from the Flame Nebula (adjusted for max Contrast)

 

[Snooch leBooch]

wait...lightning works now?
a while ago i visited a system that was completely pink on the map
http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/w585/LazerusKI/Elite/th_Screenshot_0000_zpsx0burzyq.png
but this is how the belt looked like :/
http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/w585/LazerusKI/Elite/th_Screenshot_0001_zpsaeapjhan.png

I couldn't say for objects in space, the picture i posted was taken on a planet's surface deep inside B'sLoop (Trapezium Sec.YT-A...) so i'd blame the nebula for the colors. But it definitely works for any planet there. I'm quite sure i remember other nebulaes doing the same color-wise.

 

[SolaceOpossum]

Possibly UFO sighting in Maia.
I was flying around close to obsidian orbital when I noticed some movement in the corner of my eye, when I looked over I saw a bright dot circle Maia A 2 A (the planet Obsidian Orbital is stationed at) before disappearing behind it. What ever it was it was fast and I couldn't target it, it also didn't look like any artifact caused by black holes I've ever seen.
Out of curiosity I had a snoop around Obsidian Orbital to see if it had dropped out there but I couldn't find anything.

 

[fyo]

After a fruitless search of the Flame Nebula (not a single possible candidate planet within tolerances) I've moved on to Bernard's Loop. My first find was this:

...

Onwards and upwards. There are a number of other landables in this system...

Any chance you could spend a minute or two updating the spreadsheet with your findings?

Volgrand has created a nice sheet to list all these findings so we can use our resources more efficiently. There's also a sweet data entry form.

Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uvZfNx1AA22W-3462ayaycIWZwbDGIZQdwd6xtISt-A/edit#gid=0

Data Entry: http://goo.gl/forms/wZFi9xJxpB

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Just make sure you have your tinted visor ready. Spent last week in Barnard's loop and there's only so much pink a man can take, never thought that would bother me but after a few hours it certainly did

I'm getting quite fed up with the blue-green colors from B stars permeating everything.

Maybe the trick is to alternate every few days, just to keep hold of that precious sanity a bit longer. (There's no escaping the space madness!)

 

[Ozric]

AMD Gaming Evolved is nice for this - it has a facility to record a period of video on a loop (I set it to 30 seconds), so even if you're not actively recording when something happens, you can capture the footage of it with a keypress.

Except for the fact that Raptr doesn't recognise Horizons as a game and doesn't like the 64 bit exe file, so I can't use it anymore :/ I'm using OBS at the moment, though messing around with the settings to get decent quality was a bit of a nightmare.

 

[Cronod]

I know is completely off topic, hope no one will kill me but you guys take a lot of video here so meaby someone can help me. I'm trying to use shadowplay but it dont work. I have always the green dot with a red slash on it. I have a 3 monitor setup and far i understund thats the problem but meaby someone here have a work around. I dont need to record all the 3 monitors, just the middle one its ok, the only think i dont want to do is to unplug the other monitors. So i will like to play with 3 monitors and record all of them or just the middle one.
Thank you in advance and fly safe o7

P.S. i dont know if help, my GPUs are 2 SLI asus strix gtx 980

 

[Kalearne]

I know is completely off topic, hope no one will kill me but you guys take a lot of video here so meaby someone can help me. I'm trying to use shadowplay but it dont work. I have always the green dot with a red slash on it. I have a 3 monitor setup and far i understund thats the problem but meaby someone here have a work around. I dont need to record all the 3 monitors, just the middle one its ok, the only think i dont want to do is to unplug the other monitors. So i will like to play with 3 monitors and record all of them or just the middle one.
Thank you in advance and fly safe o7

P.S. i dont know if help, my GPUs are 2 SLI asus strix gtx 980

Try OBS (https://obsproject.com/download)
works fine for me, needed a bit of tweaking in settings to get things ok.