Naval action

I've also just stumbled over Naval Action, and I thought the same thing, very much 'Elite at Sea'.

It's nice that it seems to have a PvE server too - so despite what seems a pretty steep price for early access, I am mighty tempted and then I can 'yo ho ho' and 'avast' to my me-hearties content!
 
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I see it's just been released on steam as early access, its in alpha. - http://store.steampowered.com/app/311310

Im certainly climbing aboard this one... :)

Large open world, recreated based on 18th Century maps, historical harbors, positions, and town names. We do not believe in the various modern hand-holding markers, thus player position is not shown on the map: you will have to navigate yourself using compass, sun or landmarks. - I love the sound of this !
 
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It's not without issues.

Firstly there is the mission structure. If you do missions you get XP, XP means higher ranks. As you go up ranks you get bigger missions to take down bigger ships. Theoretically this works well, only the lower missions are locked off as you increase in rank, so if you've spent your gold buying things other than bigger ships and better equipment (if you've gimped yourself in other words) then you're out of luck.

Secondly there is the server issue. The servers have a limit of 2000 players, and in a bizarre design decision the ONLY data shared between servers is your faction and your rank/XP. No gold or ships. In other words, if you're an admiral or something and you've never played on server 2, only server 1, then you're still going to be playing in a basic cutter. Trying to take on two or more ships at once, even basic stuff like brigs, in a basic cutter just doesn't bear thinking about.

Thirdly there is, again, the server issue. Servers are often full at the moment (although I haven't played it for a week so maybe it's settled down now). When the servers are full that's it - you are in a queue for sometimes as long as 40 minutes before you can play. That a game can be put on sale like this, when you can't even play it when you want to, is pretty mind-blowing.

Fourthly there is community. It is, at present, pretty toxic. Maybe I'm just spoiled from playing Elite and Chaos Reborn so much that I expect people to act like people, but the Naval Action community, at least on Steam, puts me in the mind of an inner city school outing. This game is complex with a steep learning curve, there is no tutorial, when people showed up to ask questions the collective response from the majority of the community was to throw a tantrum.
 
It's not without issues...

Thanks for the warning!

I wasn't thinking of trying it until it was fully released in any event after I burned out my masochism streak with play/wipe cycles in Elite's original-beta.

Still I like how it looks, alas it seems to be PvP-only at the moment - but I think I read there's to be a PvE eventually, which is much more my pace these days.

So, fingers x'd then :D
 
It's not without issues.

Firstly there is the mission structure. If you do missions you get XP, XP means higher ranks. As you go up ranks you get bigger missions to take down bigger ships. Theoretically this works well, only the lower missions are locked off as you increase in rank, so if you've spent your gold buying things other than bigger ships and better equipment (if you've gimped yourself in other words) then you're out of luck.

Secondly there is the server issue. The servers have a limit of 2000 players, and in a bizarre design decision the ONLY data shared between servers is your faction and your rank/XP. No gold or ships. In other words, if you're an admiral or something and you've never played on server 2, only server 1, then you're still going to be playing in a basic cutter. Trying to take on two or more ships at once, even basic stuff like brigs, in a basic cutter just doesn't bear thinking about.

Thirdly there is, again, the server issue. Servers are often full at the moment (although I haven't played it for a week so maybe it's settled down now). When the servers are full that's it - you are in a queue for sometimes as long as 40 minutes before you can play. That a game can be put on sale like this, when you can't even play it when you want to, is pretty mind-blowing.

Fourthly there is community. It is, at present, pretty toxic. Maybe I'm just spoiled from playing Elite and Chaos Reborn so much that I expect people to act like people, but the Naval Action community, at least on Steam, puts me in the mind of an inner city school outing. This game is complex with a steep learning curve, there is no tutorial, when people showed up to ask questions the collective response from the majority of the community was to throw a tantrum.

Yes, well the game is in Alpha, so things like the missions structre is pretty bare bones at the moment, as is the UI.

Regarding the server being kept seperate, I would actually prefer nothing to carry over, I dont know what they will settle on evetually but I dont think the current iteration will be the final solution by any means.

I have never had to queue for a server (I'm in the UK and play on the Eu PvP server).

I have also had no issues at all with the community, I dont use the steam forums, I only use steam to fire up the game, the guys on the help channel are some of the most helpful people I have come across in an online game, I have fired no end of questions at them and they have helped me every time.

Tutorial wise, I would recommend AntmanAxe's 'getting started' youtube video, it explains a hell of a lot to help you get up and running.

Its a fantastic game already and considering it is only in alpha I can see this being amazing in time, my immersion meter is higher than it has been for years!

Originally, I called it 'Elite on water', but I would say it would probably go more the way of 'EVE on water', (think EVE with much more indepth combat).
 
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Been waiting for Naval Action for some time and bought it last weekend, thoroughly enjoying it despite it's very bare-bones state.

If you're into age-of-sail ships or history or just like the feeling of blowing some poor sap out of the water with big guns this game is for you.

Tutorial wise, I would recommend AntmanAxe's 'getting started' youtube video, it explains a hell of a lot to help you get up and running.

+1

There are absolutely no starter tutorials built into the game (and it's not easy by any means) so highly recommend this set of video tutorials.

- stride
 
Tutorial wise, I would recommend AntmanAxe's 'getting started' youtube video, it explains a hell of a lot to help you get up and running.

This is a huge problem. Video tutorials aren't generally worth the bandwidth they're using because humans learn most by doing. I could find you a video right now on open heart surgery, but the chances are pretty good you'll kill anyone you decide to crack open with a Finochietto retractor afterwards. You can watch a video all day and learn very little about what you are doing. Of course there is the added problem that you can't keep referring to the video as you play, you really have to watch and learn everything. Most peoples gaming time is too precious to actually learn to play something without playing it.

The game is complex enough that a tutorial is an absolute necessity, and the lack of one is hurting the game badly. The ingame help channel has some good people on it but again, it's no substitute.

As for server waiting times:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/311310/discussions/1/458606877326994964/

I played it also on the EU server during its release week. As people have pointed out in that thread you could be waiting an hour to get into a game easily. Maybe the situation has died down now that the playerbase as thinned with more new releases? I haven't played it in well over a week.

It's going in a good direction, and this could be an absolute gem of a game. I am cautiously optimistic about the future of Naval Action. But right now I recommend keeping away at the price point they are selling it for. It simply isn't worth a full price for what is only a quarter of a game.
 
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Yes, I do agree.

I am sure at some point a tutorial will come along, I sat and watched all 50mins of the that video which is something I wouldnt normally have the patience for.

I also agree about the price, but then after paying for ED alpha, anything else seems cheap!

I just googled 'Finochietto retractor', I feel a bit faint now...especially as I just happen to be suffering from bruised ribs at the moment.
 
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