Planets & trading; will they look the part?

Iskariot

Iskariot
In a universe the scale Elite has to offer I do not expect every planet to be at the same level of development and technology.

I do not picture the Elite universe as an utopia were humans live in neverending orgasmic consumer bliss.

So I can easily imagine encountering many backwater planets struggling with common human stupidities like a vicious cycle of debilitating polluting greed and consumerism. Perhaps they do not have the means to buy fancy new technologies, perhaps the political circumstances prohibit it, perhaps corporate or religious power players do not want Federal or imperial involvement, perhaps they are recovering from destructive global or interplanetary wars. etc. etc.

I expect there to be incredible developmental gaps between some systems comparable to at least the worst we see on this planet.
 
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Daeron

Daeron
Yep. Those Anarchy systems could turn out messy very fast, for example. Work safety and planetary caretaking might be lower on the agenda, compared to survival, and whatnot.
 

Iskariot

Iskariot
Daeron said:
Yep. Those Anarchy systems could turn out messy very fast, for example. Work safety and planetary caretaking might be lower on the agenda, compared to survival, and whatnot.
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Indeed.
Personally I hold a somewhat misanthropic view of our species in general. Humanity is like a mad dog constantly defecating in its own sleeping basket and feeding bowl and fastidiously massacring its fellow canines in the name of all that is good (of course). I doubt this will change in the near or far future. It is our nature to be the cockroach of the universe (my apologies to the cockroaches). That is why in the game I expect to encounter planets totally polluted and wasted. I wonder what it will be like to fly my ship through a thick polluting smog on heavily industrialized worlds. I think I might make big bucks with foodstuff there and tons of vitamin pills.
 

SAB380

SAB380
I can't wait till planets are in the game.

Blew my mind when I first saw Zelada station.
Imagine what they have in mind for full scale planets !?
 

Exmortis

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Iskariot said:
So I can easily imagine encountering many backwater planets struggling with common human stupidities like a vicious cycle of debilitating polluting greed and consumerism. Perhaps they do not have the means to buy fancy new technologies, perhaps the political circumstances prohibit it, perhaps corporate or religious power players do not want Federal or imperial involvement, perhaps they are recovering from destructive global or interplanetary wars. etc. etc.
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Impossible. Humanity would never behave in such a way.
 

Saxxon

Saxxon
Purple rice, black wheat, who is to say what agricultural planets will look like. :eek:

Maybe the chlorophyll in the plants won't always be green.
 
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MrShadowfax

MrShadowfax
Iskariot said:
Indeed.
Personally I hold a somewhat misanthropic view of our species in general. Humanity is like a mad dog constantly defecating in its own sleeping basket and feeding bowl and fastidiously massacring its fellow canines in the name of all that is good (of course). I doubt this will change in the near or far future. It is our nature to be the cockroach of the universe (my apologies to the cockroaches). That is why in the game I expect to encounter planets totally polluted and wasted. I wonder what it will be like to fly my ship through a thick polluting smog on heavily industrialized worlds. I think I might make big bucks with foodstuff there and tons of vitamin pills.
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If you put ANY animal, even bacteria, in a position where they can multiply without check, you are going to have problems like these. I really do not understand this whole "hatin' on humanity" thing. It reminds me a little of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4q6eaLn2mY
 

Daeron

Daeron
MrShadowfax said:
If you put ANY animal, even bacteria, in a position where they can multiply without check, you are going to have problems like these. I really do not understand this whole "hatin' on humanity" thing. It reminds me a little of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4q6eaLn2mY
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The flawed aspects of humanity will produce more varied worlds for the purpose of this debate, it was never the intention to ignore our equally flawed friends in the Eco-System, or any other system for that matter. The intention is more to exploit the rest of it to the maximum. And is that not to show interest? If it is equally imperfect, we know what to expect! So on that murky road we must walk! *Ka-Dunk* :)
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
The problem is, we as humans have the intelligence to break through any natural barriers which would otherwise limit our expansion beyond any sane limits.

But we (and I include myself in this) don't have the wisdom to see it and do anything about it.

Do you really believe that any other animal on the planet has the potential to screw it up more than we are doing? To satisfy our insatiable need for energy companies are looking to extract shale oil even though they know it will be bad for the environment, and we will still use it in droves (I believe shell have put it on hold but it will only be a matter of time before it goes ahead anyway)

What other animal would deliberately entertain the notion of something so devastating as to potentally wipe out almost all living things on an entire planet (nuclear war) or knowingly kill itsself (beyond directly protecting its young) with the aim of killing 1000's of people (9/11)

To be honest, it wont effect us........ but I pity the people who will be in our grand children or great grand children's time.

In short, I dont have that much faith in us as a species and think the planet, if it was sentient, would breath a sigh of relief if we all ******ed off into space ;)

To bring back on topic however, it may make for some interesting planets in elite ;)
 

MrShadowfax

MrShadowfax
Mad Mike said:
The problem is, we as humans have the intelligence to break through any natural barriers which would otherwise limit our expansion beyond any sane limits.

But we (and I include myself in this) don't have the wisdom to see it and do anything about it.
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This makes some sort of sense to me. However, I don't think it's as bad as some make out. And I think that, again, any species with our level of intelligence would have the same problems.
 

Daeron

Daeron
Let us conceptualize that these extreme views are made with the singular purpose of getting diverse worlds in ED. A dull and uniform world where we get eaten by Triffids or just end up bored to death, is under no circumstances out of the question! :cool:
 

Memnoch

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Iskariot said:
If a planet is an exporter of agricultural products like tea, coffee or rice will this be visible on the planet? Will the planet have large agricultural areas visible from space to match the kind of products it is exporting?
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That would depend on how large these areas are. Large parts of the UK are devoted to growing crops but unless you are in a low orbit I doubt you would see much more than a green looking island.

And what if one would be able to go down to such a planet, would one actually see that agriculture close up?

Same goes for heavy industrial products. Would we see planets that look the part. With big industrial areas, heavy pollution perhaps, etc.?
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Mere speculation at this point but I would imagine that industrial areas would be more visible that agricultural ones because of the large buildings necessary for the latter.

It might be worth considering what other games currently offer on this front, especially those that offer an entire world to fly over. You can probably count these on the fingers of one hand! The thing to consider would be the detail level in conjunction with the scales involved. We may find that an entire planet will have a couple of population centres, and surrounding these would be some examples of what that location is known for, be it agriculture, industrial or something else. The rest of the planet could well be empty procedural wilderness.

So from space these planets would appear to have tiny dots of activity and not much else to speak of.
 

Voyager_NL

Voyager_NL
Please don't beat humanity up about their bad environmental behaviour.
We're not alone in this:
- Virusses
- bacteria
- Locusts
- Algea
- ...
They all act the same: eat everything you can get to and overpopulate their direct living area when they can. Actually humans can show good behaviour in this aspect by being able to think about cause and effect. Something the other examples will never be able to do. Therefore the big difference with the other examples is that they show high spikes and low depths in population densities over time. Just because of this behaviour. They really just don't care (because they can't). Humans do care and will beat this. Just give us time.
 
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