I'd hate to state the obvious: but clearly they didn't buy a massive multiplayer pve game. They are trying to use Private Groups to create such a mode, and that obviously has its limitations.
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I'd hate to state the obvious: but clearly they didn't buy a massive multiplayer pve game. They are trying to use Private Groups to create such a mode, and that obviously has its limitations.
Not even their fault, it's FDs. They make the game and the rules. Mobius has been amazing setting up a safe environment for players. FD should have taken it over and cultivated it long ago. But they love this pirate stuff. They love groups running around causing havoc so they don't care.
I would say that it IS a big deal if SDC blew up your ship and busted you back to a sidewinder and you don't have the will to start the grind over again. Maybe thought you were safe from pvp violence in a pve group....
Never blame the escaped prisoners, they'll do what criminals do. Blame the prison.
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I would say its a small deal if you didnt consider it important enough to have insurance.
Ian, Tailgunner said it as well as it can be said. You can question my motives all you want, but as it stands, the SDC was the most recent group in the community spotlight, and now said group is posting videos ganking players in Mobius. Like it or not, this has (d)evolved from forum debate and animosity under the surface to entering private groups under FALSE PRETENSES to disrupt the games of other players. And for once, Frontier makes a response: It's unfortunate. You'll have to excuse me if I feel the need to call out such a limp-wristed declaration.
Sadly you and I haven't agreed on anything in the past, and likely won't in the future.
Whilst I apreciate that it would not be a trivial task, apparently, at the present FD are at least partially administrating the group by handling removals of banned players. I appreciate immensely the work that Mobius has done in administering the group. I do feel though, that it is time FD took over. By making it an official group, if needed for the time being with the same request to join mechanic. FD can impose 'Official' rules and consequences on players within the group. They could add the Mobius group then to the front of the menu rather than in the private groups as Mobius - Join and then Mobius - Accepted , declined or suspended/banned. This could also serve as a clear indicator of your present standing with Frontier.
I'll play the optimist here, an official PvE group administered by FD might bring hundreds if not thousands of new players into the game who have been put off by the cut-throat nature of Open, and the emptiness of Solo but might appreciate the opportunity to play WITH others.
So wait, Frontier want to create a "dangerous" game where all playstyles are incorporated without favouritism or filtering, but they also want to create a "friendly" game experience?
Has anyone officially welcomed them to the internet and the world of online gaming yet? It seems they're new here.
Well, that was repulsive.
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Sadly you and I haven't agreed on anything in the past, and likely won't in the future.
Lucikly I also haven't been busted back into a Sidewinder, and likely won't in the future. But either way, I am sure we'll both survive not agreeing with each other.
As I said before. 20k players shouldn't rely on the good will of one player. A player who bought the game and would probably like to play it rather than be mother admin dealing with this rubbish. A proper PvE group is the answer in my opinion. What that looks like I don't know. But an official mode will be better than fragmented modes.
Nah. Just treat it like an NPC got you. It isn't going to happen again because the players concerned will be ejected. Or go solo until they are. Anybody getting busted back to a sidewinder needs to learn the lesson anyway (I did). FD should have stayed right out of all player-created everything. They should concentrate on providing the tools and the game - that's all. Talk to us on the forum - of course. But get involved by promotion or otherwise? - Hell no! Observe what's going on and attend to it - don't get involved in it.
I hope this doesn't happen. The playerbase is so divided that it's difficult to find anybody, EVER. Create a PvE only group, and you've split the playerbase even further. Mobius is one of these problems which should be quelled, removed completely.
1.4 million might be a lot, and for Arena mode, it is. But when you have 20,000 or so inhabited systems, with a majority in a select few and out exploring, you can go literally days without seeing a player in Open Play. I've gone a week without SEEING another player, and when you see someone, they RARELY reply to your damned "hello"!
tl;dr dedicated PvE > final nail in the coffin that is Open Play.
It's a game ppl, so someone shot at someone and perhaps killed someone. It's not worth getting upset about. The folk involved were banned it doesn't happen again.
All this FD are to blame because either they didn't make PvE or because their crystal ball wasn't functioning correctly and they highlighted a group a few weeks before, is jokes.
JUST.. A.. GAME.. Riling people up is exactly why SDC did it, you lose.
SDC have said they will continue with other groups, rather than moaning at Frontier to waste resources making PvE or whatever, the best thing you can do is check if these CMDRs have joined your group and kick them. PvE or PvP is irrelevant with respect to griefing, which is what they're doing. Ultimately groups need managing, check your own groups and kick.
All this FD are to blame because either they didn't make PvE or because their crystal ball wasn't functioning correctly and they highlighted a group a few weeks before, is jokes.
JUST.. A.. GAME.. Riling people up is exactly why SDC did it, you lose.
SDC have said they will continue with other groups, rather than moaning at Frontier to waste resources making PvE or whatever, the best thing you can do is check if these CMDRs have joined your group and kick them. PvE or PvP is irrelevant with respect to griefing, which is what they're doing. Ultimately groups need managing, check your own groups and kick.
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Big trouble in little Mobius, or big Mobius. 20000 players in one group is a lot, and you cant even search players up if you want to kick them, OMG. The griefers must be having a hell of a time. There needs to be a better group interfaces/options so groups don´t have their agenda interfered with. My group consists of me and my brother. We can manage, but 20000 players is a lot to scroll through
20000 players in one group is a lot, and you cant even search players up if you want to kick them, OMG. The griefers must be having a hell of a time. There needs to be a better group interfaces/options so groups don´t have their agenda interfered with. My group consists of me and my brother. We can manage, but 20000 players is a lot to scroll through 
So much this.
Mobius has been infilitrated by numpties before, and it will be again.
FD are exactly right, it was unfortunate.
Move on folks. Storm in a teacup.
That coffin has already been shut, and it had nothing to do with PvE. I could point fingers at the real culprit, but I have a strong hunch that you are so biased that you wouldn't be able to recognize the truth even though it's right in front of you. Open is dead to countless players, and with Frontier's courageous stance on this one, private groups will be too. I'll wager that even more players remove the pillion and install the solo saddle.
If Mobius was shut down where do you think the players will go? Open or Solo? I can tell you as one of those players I would be exclusively in Solo...I won't speak for others except to say they are in Mobius and not Open for a reason.
Lets now go the other way...there is a formal PVE only group created (or some sort of mechanic that promotes PVE). I don't think it unreasonable to suggest this would be quickly taken up by people from Mobius and also people from Solo. I would argue that a PVE option would help consolidate all those disparate groups that want to avoid Open in its current form and wouldn't be a deathnail but give players a true choice to play in a way that suit them best.
Yeah gotta say I was a bit surprised to see no-one at all round Shinrarta one night last week.
I'm assuming distant worlds has pulled a lot away. (1000 CMDRs)
Planet surfaces are "out of instance" too. =/
Also from what I'm reading Mobius is being split into two groups as a "temp" workaround to solve the issues Frontier are currently having.
So many ways to prevent people encountering each other.
It's evolving in the wrong direction if you ask me, we need more encounters not less.
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Exactly why threads like this exist. Yes, it has happened before, and yes, if FD does nothing but say oh well, no rules were broken, it will happen again.
My personal opinion is that, as the community is completely divided, as can be clearly seen by the poll that is currently running on this forum. I do not believe that at this present juncture tinkering with the rules in game will resolve the problems. We are far too far past that point. Frontier needs to act decisively. I am not saying that it will not be traumatic, there will be foot-stamping and tantrum throwing aplenty, there always is! But doing nothing is not an option if Frontier do not want to see the game wither and die. So I advocate for a Mobius-like Open PvE option. Once this is established, then Frontier can address the issues of crime and punishment in a manner that could bring the community back together.
Response to your TL;DR.
The fate of Open is in the hands of the players who play there. Not the 20,000+ who have chosen PvE and those who chose to play in solo. PvP players have chosen a cut-throat anything goes, spit in the devil's eye option. those who prefer a different way have left. No amount of complaining about PvE players choices is going to fix the problem of your choices.
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R the fate of Open is in the hands of the person looking back at you, in the mirror.
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Been riding solo since beta, nothing I've ever seen or heard on these here forums has ever made me want to change. Is it a lonely life? Sure, but so much less hassle. If I ever want to be intermittently annoyed by griefers and idiots while playing Elite I'll put on Fox News in the background.
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