Been there done that, one of the reasons I enjoy my conda and other big ships, they feel and move like they are heavy, helps me amongst other things align to dock.
Why small ship maneuverability is useless Pt.1
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Well dang - learn something new all the time. Will have to dig out my T-6 and put turrets back on it and try. Thanks for the well thought out reply!!!
Cmdr Vernonator
Don't rely on turrets too much!
I put all turrets on my t9, set it to fire at will.
Got attacked by NPC pirates.
Pulled the trigger.
Nothing.
Lol
Either turrets are lazy, or for some reason, none of them could come to bare on the target. It happens on my trade Anaconda too sometimes. (3 large gimballed, rest turrets).
Did you assign them a group and that group remained active? you need to click the fire key once and not switch away from said group.
Yes, it should be inferior. It is in the very description of the eagle that it is an outdated combat ship.
An eagle can survive a Python encounter by running the hell away from it.
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Sorry if my numbers are off. I havent flown my Anaconda for combat in quite a while, so I think I made a mistake in remembering the speeds.
Is it outdates due to it being bad or out dated due to a change in doctrine by the Federal and Imperial Navies moving from The Eagle Long Range Fighters (jump capable) to the F63 Condor and Imperial Short Range Fighter which are not jump capable parasites
The Eagle Mk.I is younger a design than the Sidewinder, Cobra, Python, Anaconda, Fer De Lance & Adder, Imperial Courier and Imperial Clipper (if the Clipper is the reimagined Trader as the in game files suggest) being brought into service ~100 years prior in game and the Mk.II and Mk.III ten years later
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If any imperial ship is the imperial trader it's the cutter, the clipper is a significantly more combat capable.
Smaller ships cant compete with bigger ships the same way inflatable boats cant compete with AEGIS frigates.
They also costs a fraction of bigger ships so the only way of dealing with bigger ships is swarming them.
It only stands to reason.
If you want a smaller more agile ship standing toe to toe with bigger ships have them cost more than 20 milion creds.
They also costs a fraction of bigger ships so the only way of dealing with bigger ships is swarming them.
It only stands to reason.
If you want a smaller more agile ship standing toe to toe with bigger ships have them cost more than 20 milion creds.
BUT a one-man fighter with a ASM CAN kill a destroyer. Don't you Brits remember the HMS Sheffield? Killed by an Exocet fired by a Super Etendard? Small fighter killed big ship. Yes different medium (air/sea vs air/air or sea/sea) but very analogous to ED and the small fighter/larger ship battle.
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Purely just because it was called that in the game files, not a reflection of its in game capabilities. And the description in the store for that paint jobs.
But either was the Imperial Trader is older that the Eagle Mk.I
Fair enough, wonder if we're going to see any medium and large imperial combat ships?
the clipper is good but not great, the couriers shields are stronger than the clippers.. There's a huge disparity between the FAS, FGS, Corvette vs the clipper, cutter
I came to the conclusion that pitch rate doesn't matter for smaller ships, but for a different reason. Learning to survive big ships in my Viper 3 taught me that controlling distance was far more important than trying to out-turn my opponents. Eventually a small ship will get tagged and will need to make distance to recover shields. There are plenty of large ships which can kill smaller ships either by out turning them (FAS and Clipper aka: 2D sprite ship) or by simply having a couple of turrets. The beginner strategy of butt-hugging only gets you so far.
The problem is the reverse speed and agility, not the speed of the smaller ships. If you make smaller ships faster, they will be impossible to kill and even if you get close they will flee. If you want to take the reversing tactic out out the game you need to nerf the maneuverability whilst reversing and or the speed of the reverse.
Taking the reversing tactic out of the game will hurt small ships rather than large. Despite the OP demonstrating a larger ship using the strategy against a smaller one, flying backwards is just asking your opponent to keep you at 2.50-3km range and pick you apart. This tactic works better for smaller ships for obvious reasons. But then I see the argument all the time that "Large ships should automatically beat smaller ships because I spent a very long time grinding for this Conda" so I shouldn't really be surprised people advocating for removing strategies from the game, that players are using to level the playing field when their ship is vastly outclassed by money.
To me it seems to just represent the design/doctrinal differences between the Imperial Navy and the Federal Navy
Then explain the imperial fighter, imperial eagle, courier, and majestic class interdictor.
All of which aren't trade ships.
A doctrinal difference between them is all fine and dandy the US is a global trade hub which also has a strong military.
The Chinese also have a formidable military.
The British Empire was also rebound for a sizable and strong navy.
every big economic power in history has also had a strong military, the argument that this is a time of peace is also not accurate. There are conflict zones all over the bubble and infighting between powers.
By design is the strongest argument that said all Imperial ships are more expensive than the civilian or Federation counterparts this cost affords them to be both luxurious, and effective as demonstrated by the Imperial eagle and majestic class interdictor.
I can't accept a doctrinal, design, or peacetime reasoning for the Empire to have such an inept military presence.
Actually the Eagle you fly in Elite Dangerous is the Eagle MK II.
And according to the description, it is outdated because " It has the distinction of being the only ship that has been so successful versions have been built for both the Federation and Imperial navies. This role has been superseded by the respective navies' short range fighter programmes, but the Eagle still sees extensive service across human space.".
In the case of the Federation, that would be the Vulture (since that is the smallest ship Core Dynamics makes).
In the case of the empire, it would be the Imperial Eagle and Imperial Courier (The two smallest ships that Gutamaya makes).
What are your sources for when these ships first saw production?
