Should there be an 'Open' Player Vs Environment Option on the Login Screen

[Robert Maynard]

I lol'd. Damnit Robert, enough with the good posts already - I'm still trying to spread enough rep to be able to upvote your pilot's license ideas

I'm working on formalising my Open-PvE "rulebook" proposal....

 

[AJW]

tbh I grieffed myself the other day. It was in Omicron Ursae Majoris on a High Metal world. I was on approach to dock as So-Yeon Landing when I fumbled my thrusters and hadn't deployed my landing gear.
The crater was pretty, as was the sight of my python exploding but I found the rebuy screen quite bland.

Please arange for the planet and the rebuy screen to be banned.

I've had run-ins with griefer-planets myself. One, which I'd better just describe as big, blue and full of gas (no, I'm not talking about a political party) insisted on interdicting the sunlight as I made yet another attempt to raise my polonium stocks above a number I could count on my thumbs, while prospecting its inner moon (an ugly yellow thing apparently made of pre-consumed water). Night I could deal with, but sudden eclipses are another thing entirely. What was worse was that when I came back the following day, the darned gasbag did exactly the same thing again. I'm sure that the 'astronomer' faction on this forum (always ready with excuses, that lot) will blame it on 'rotational periods' or something, but I'm sure it was intentional. Clearly greifing, with the express intent of making me drive my SRV into a crevasse. I think that at minimum FD should give the planet a stern warning, and consider suspending its account if it does it again.

 

[bootsam]

Ive decided to follow FD on the matter. Which is to be not bothered about anything that happens.

 

[Siobhan]

I've had run-ins with griefer-planets myself. One, which I'd better just describe as big, blue and full of gas (no, I'm not talking about a political party) insisted on interdicting the sunlight as I made yet another attempt to raise my polonium stocks above a number I could count on my thumbs, while prospecting its inner moon (an ugly yellow thing apparently made of pre-consumed water). Night I could deal with, but sudden eclipses are another thing entirely. What was worse was that when I came back the following day, the darned gasbag did exactly the same thing again. I'm sure that the 'astronomer' faction on this forum (always ready with excuses, that lot) will blame it on 'rotational periods' or something, but I'm sure it was intentional. Clearly greifing, with the express intent of making me drive my SRV into a crevasse. I think that at minimum FD should give the planet a stern warning, and consider suspending its account if it does it again.

I quite agree! We need a mode without planets. Hmm, while I am at it, on far too many occasions, I and others have been griefed by stars too... Coming out of hyoerspace and overheating, requiring us to waste our precious heat sinks, or forcing us to faceplant. Worse still those white dwarves who sneak up on us in stealth mode!

Ban planets AND stars, I say!

 

[excalibus]

I quite agree! We need a mode without planets. Hmm, while I am at it, on far too many occasions, I and others have been griefed by stars too... Coming out of hyoerspace and overheating, requiring us to waste our precious heat sinks, or forcing us to faceplant. Worse still those white dwarves who sneak up on us in stealth mode!

Ban planets AND stars, I say!

Ban the universe... the universe as griefing everyone

The veil nebula is hiding...

 

[capt_sparks]

Ban the universe... the universe as griefing everyone

The veil nebula is hiding...

I want invulnerable ships. Everyone can shoot at me for all I care.

Also 1000LY FSD jump range and no cooldowns/heat buildup.

 

[excalibus]

I want invulnerable ships. Everyone can shoot at me for all I care.

Also 1000LY FSD jump range and no cooldowns/heat buildup.

i'm sure you do NERF lightyears they are Overpowered

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So far there have been a few reaonable suggestions for implementation... What kind of 'abuse' could there be with a multiplayer PVE only mode? (notwithstanding potential griefing attempts using mechanics in all modes)

 

[capt_sparks]

i'm sure you do NERF lightyears they are Overpowered

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now to move the discussion back towards the OP...


So far there have been a few reaonable suggestions for implementation... What kind of 'abuse' could there be with a multiplayer PVE only mode? (notwithstanding potential griefing attempts using mechanics in all modes)

Ramming abuse. For instance, one could be ramming ships entering the mailbox. It could be an annoyance because it wastes the other player's time, or perhaps it could result with the player failing sensitive missions (e.g. fail-on-scan). Abusive players are only limited by their imagination.

 

[Roland2]

Ramming abuse. For instance, one could be ramming ships entering the mailbox. It could be an annoyance because it wastes the other player's time, or perhaps it could result with the player failing sensitive missions (e.g. fail-on-scan). Abusive players are only limited by their imagination.

Ramming was already covered in: "(notwithstanding potential griefing attempts using mechanics in all modes)".
I think what was requested is non griefing abuse that would unfairly help or hinder players. (Edit: If the proposed changes/PVE mode were implemented).

 

[bamber]

If you feel griefed by yourself then you may need to reconsider your play-style.

My main problem is the wing in which I choose to fly with CMDR's Ron, Gordon and jack who are often as much to blame as me for my untimely deaths

If you see these Cmdrs avoid then like the plague as they with most certainly turn on you at some point in the evening

 

[Siobhan]

My main problem is the wing in which I choose to fly with CMDR's Ron, Gordon and jack who are often as much to blame as me for my untimely deaths

If you see these Cmdrs avoid then like the plague as they with most certainly turn on you at some point in the evening

While we're naming and shaming, I might also mention those other griefers, CMDRs Duvel, Delerium and Moniac, not to mention CMDRs Merlot, Shiraz and Sauvignon Blanc.

 

[DHMeyer]

Yes I'm very very scared. For a game. Lol.

I don't mind whichever FD wants to take, but I'm leaning on FD choosing by principle (sticking to their design and roadmap) rather than by money from people who want a different vision than FD got.

Because FD are a bunch of volunteers creating this game for fun of creating and in their spare time. Sorry, are you for real?

 

[Roybe]

While we're naming and shaming, I might also mention those other griefers, CMDRs Duvel, Delerium and Moniac, not to mention CMDRs Merlot, Shiraz and Sauvignon Blanc.

Commander Kraken always let's me down:

Spoiler

 

[Siobhan]

Commander Kraken always let's me down:

Spoiler

https://therumhowlerblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/kraken1.jpg

Aye, I've had trouble with that on in the past too...

 

[capt_sparks]

Because FD are a bunch of volunteers creating this game for fun of creating and in their spare time. Sorry, are you for real?

Of course not. Real game developers don't need designs or roadmaps. They just have to implement whatever is the popular demand for the day. Easy peasy.

 

[Merinid]

That would be the most awesome thing. I would definitely play in this group then and not solo/group only.

 

[DHMeyer]

Of course not. Real game developers don't need designs or roadmaps. They just have to implement whatever is the popular demand for the day. Easy peasy.

I haven't yet seen a company that chooses not to adapt to the market conditions, frown at their customers and yet survive and flourish. I'm sure there are plenty of them, apparently majority of new businesses don't survive their first year and have to file for bankruptcy... Frontier is not a new business, I have complete faith in their ability to adapt.
Having well organised workload and having a roadmap for future developments doesn't mean it is a holy scripture which won't change. Actually, even holy scriptures are being changed from time to time to accommodate the needs of their users. Additionally, Frontier had various modes and rulesets included in their initial design document, so it's not like they didn't think about various options before.

 

[Siobhan]

I haven't yet seen a company that chooses not to adapt to the market conditions, frown at their customers and yet survive and flourish. I'm sure there are plenty of them, apparently majority of new businesses don't survive their first year and have to file for bankruptcy... Frontier is not a new business, I have complete faith in their ability to adapt.
Having well organised workload and having a roadmap for future developments doesn't mean it is a holy scripture which won't change. Actually, even holy scriptures are being changed from time to time to accommodate the needs of their users. Additionally, Frontier had various modes and rulesets included in their initial design document, so it's not like they didn't think about various options before.

Quite. Snarkiness aside (and I do admit to rather a lot of that), I am of the opinion that FD know (more or less) what they want and trust them to fix the game... eventually, although sometimes it does seem that CMDR Duke Nukem is in charge of setting timescales.

 

[excalibus]

@sparks.... ramming is something that happens in all modes (even solo apparently)

Ramming would be covered with roberts pilots licence idea as well... each pilot in the collision might get a strike against them, but then the rammer has to be able to get that same commander multiple times as well... once a griefer is removed from the mode using the licence points method, they would not be able to re-enter for a specified period of time... and of course that introduces a repeat offender mechanic of permaban from that mode... the same could be applied to mixed play open as well, pretty soon ramming griefing would stop because the rammers would end up banned from both modes and only able to play in solo, group or shadowban mode...

 

[eza]

The fun thing about the suggestion to add penalty points to both parties involved in a collision is that multiple players could effectively ram someone into normal open mode, where they would be stuck and unable to return for a certain period of time.