General / Off-Topic Scotland suddenly becomes even more expensive.

Fyrd Judge

Fyrd Judge
Scotland missed the killer bullet when we consider the crash and continued fall of the Oil prices and last week the UK government sent Scotland £500 million to cover their loses. Another Scottish ivote after a possible pull out of the EU by the UK, is just a joke, Scots know they wouldn't survive. So when i hear the SNPs idle threat i consider it part of the fear mongering to try keep UK in the EU. I would vote to get out of the EU just to pee the SNP off.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/28/aberdeen-500m-investment-north-sea-oil-price-slump
 
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Surfinjo

Surfinjo
Found this from Today's Times. The version published in Scotland.

Apologies for the poor quality. The BBC posts images of English papers very clearly, but routinely makes the images of Scots papers rather blurry.

Interesting read, non-the-less.

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jabokai

jabokai
Wasn't there feedback from the EU that Scotland did not have automatic entry in the case of independence and that it would have to negotiate it's own terms? Or did I dream that? Would be really funny for Smarmy Sturgeon if they got independence on the back of this and then got stiffed by the EU. :D
 

Lianachan

Lianachan
bootsam said:
I'm Scottish and British and European. Scotland has always benefited from a superior educational system. Its a largely left leaning and social country, where fairness is important. England could learn from it here.

It was okay to take the bail out after the Darien affair from England. Thats when we sold ourselves. But hey, its much easier to bash the English than bash ourselves. We have and have always been the architects of our own destruction. Its written throughout our own history. Whilst we have often innovated, invented, discovered far above our weight, we have also kicked ourselves too. England isnt perfect but neither are we. We need each other. Both England and Scotland would be poorer but for our partnership together.

Together we ruled the world, then we gave it back and apologised. Any army in the world would cack itself if confronted by a red line full of english, scots, welsh and irish nutjobs. If we got our act together and worked in partnership again towards another common purpose nothing could stop us. Nothing. This goddamned little island is chocka with talent, creativity, inventiveness and humour. If we put our minds to getting to Mars, thered be an chippy there by 2020.
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I'm guessing you don't know much about the circumstances of the Darien affair. Do you know anything about the Navigation Act of 1651, for example, and the role it played both in causing the crisis and in the early "success" of the Act of Union?

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Fyrd Judge said:
Scotland missed the killer bullet when we consider the crash and continued fall of the Oil prices and last week the UK government sent Scotland £500 million to cover their loses. Another Scottish ivote after a possible pull out of the EU by the UK, is just a joke, Scots know they wouldn't survive. So when i hear the SNPs idle threat i consider it part of the fear mongering to try keep UK in the EU. I would vote to get out of the EU just to pee the SNP off.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/28/aberdeen-500m-investment-north-sea-oil-price-slump
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:rolleyes:

More nonsense.
 

Surfinjo

Surfinjo
What I find so incredible about Cameron's latest position is it essentially challenges British people not living in Scotland to get rid of the EU because they will bring about the end of the UK at the same time.

Equally, if the EU vote is for yes it will allow him to bask in that nauseating cesspit he tried to create, whereby he asked Celeb's to plead with Scotland not to go.
 

jabokai

jabokai
Surfinjo said:
Equally, if the EU vote is for yes it will allow him to bask in that nauseating cesspit he tried to create, whereby he asked Celeb's to plead with Scotland not to go.
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Because there were no celebs pleading the opposite... and who really knows who asked who, what. More tabloid drama with the "nauseating cesspit" comment.
 

bootsam

bootsam
I do Laina, but my interpretation is obviously is at odds with yours. Rather than look at it in isolation from a Scottish perspective, I look at it in the context of the times and world events in general. Im objective. Thats not to say you arent necessarily doing the same, but weve come to different conclusions.

I also dont overlook our nations ability to punch itself in the mouth, which I suspect you are fully aware off. Plus I wouldnt try to argue to convince you to back union. Thats a matter of personal conscience.

I love being British. I love our shared history and our fights. If we never had each other to squabble with, we'd just get bored.
 

Lianachan

Lianachan
bootsam said:
I do Laina, but my interpretation is obviously is at odds with yours. Rather than look at it in isolation from a Scottish perspective, I look at it in the context of the times and world events in general. Im objective. Thats not to say you arent necessarily doing the same, but weve come to different conclusions.

I also dont overlook our nations ability to punch itself in the mouth, which I suspect you are fully aware off. Plus I wouldnt try to argue to convince you to back union. Thats a matter of personal conscience.

I love being British. I love our shared history and our fights. If we never had each other to squabble with, we'd just get bored.
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I guess "Laina" is probably meant for me. There's a Japanese diminutive suffix "chan", and some people online have assumed before that's what's contained in my internet nom de plume and that "Liana" is the name part. It's not, of course - Lianachan is a Gaelic placename.

I suspect you don't know the Navigation Acts or their consequences that well, or you'd not be talking about "world events", "Scottish perspective" and suchlike, let alone thinly accusing me of being blinkered. As an archaeologist, I'm pretty used to collecting strands of evidence to construct coherent, and objective, descriptions of the past. I don't share your view of Britishness, which I'm sure comes as no surprise. I am embarrassed by the majority of our shared history, and have no love of fights of any kind.
 
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jabokai

jabokai
Lianachan said:
For broadly the same reasons that Prime Ministers have apologised for historical events that they played no part in.
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Because it's expedient for them to do so, in some way? ;)

Chill dude, you weren't there, no need for angsty hand-wringing! Same thing on pride - don't feel proud of what some other person did unless you had any kind of hand in it. :)
 

Lianachan

Lianachan
jabokai said:
Because it's expedient for them to do so, in some way? ;)

Chill dude, you weren't there, no need for angsty hand-wringing! Same thing on pride - don't feel proud of what some other person did unless you had any kind of hand in it. :)
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I can assure you there's neither angsty hand-wringing, nor misplaced pride.
 

Genar-Hofoen

Genar-Hofoen
I find it odd that Scotland is reported to be the most pro-European Union of all of the UK, as in my opinion, we're given very little information about the EU, as a structure, what it does for us, what we give to it, who is accountable, who is directly elected, who is not directly chosen by voters, and so on.

I suspect that most people conflate the European Union, with Europe in general - Scotland does have a history of being pals with France, for example.

So to the majority of folks who just get on with their lives and don't pay any particular attention to politics, the EU and Europe are one and the same - hence this apparent pro-EU green on that YouGov map.

As stated earlier, I for one will be voting to get out of the EU, in favour of getting back to setting up trade deals with each individual country like we absolutely managed to do without any sort of European union.

Regards o7
 

Lianachan

Lianachan
Actually, our independence referendum has resulted in Scotland possessing one of the most politically informed and engaged populations in the world.
 

Genar-Hofoen

Genar-Hofoen
Lianachan said:
Actually, our independence referendum has resulted in Scotland possessing one of the most politically informed and engaged populations in the world.
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... sure - informed about matters to do with independence. :)

I don't remember any decent information about the EU, what it does, who's accountable, and so on and so forth. :)

Regards o7
 

Lianachan

Lianachan
Genar-Hofoen said:
... sure - informed about matters to do with independence. :)

I don't remember any decent information about the EU, what it does, who's accountable, and so on and so forth. :)

Regards o7
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Well, the EU was quite a political football during the independence referendum so I think I'll credit us with a little more intelligence and awareness than you seem prepared to.
 

Surfinjo

Surfinjo
Genar-Hofoen said:
I find it odd that Scotland is reported to be the most pro-European Union of all of the UK, as in my opinion, we're given very little information about the EU, as a structure, what it does for us, what we give to it, who is accountable, who is directly elected, who is not directly chosen by voters, and so on.

I suspect that most people conflate the European Union, with Europe in general - Scotland does have a history of being pals with France, for example.

So to the majority of folks who just get on with their lives and don't pay any particular attention to politics, the EU and Europe are one and the same - hence this apparent pro-EU green on that YouGov map.

As stated earlier, I for one will be voting to get out of the EU, in favour of getting back to setting up trade deals with each individual country like we absolutely managed to do without any sort of European union.

Regards o7
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The problem with England in relation to the EU, is many people here think England deserves to be great but none are really prepared to do what it needs to achieve that.

Thatcher is a case in point. She spent her entire administration saying no no no with little real regard to alternatives. She became Madame Non and created a terrible reputation for the UK which survives today.

That's basically England all the way. They think they deserve a free lunch. They think they deserve. They don't and no-one is buying it anymore.

The Scots just play the game. They get on with things.

I haven't been in Scotland for almost 30 years now, but when I was last there in the 70s and early 80s, I saw a lot of signs up on numerous community projects proclaiming they had been funded by the European Union.

Here, if such a claim were to be made, it would generally result in huge numbers simply staying away.
 

Genar-Hofoen

Genar-Hofoen
Lianachan said:
Well, the EU was quite a political football during the independence referendum so I think I'll credit us with a little more intelligence and awareness than you seem prepared to.
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Heh - you're absolutely reading me wrong way - no one mentioned anything about intelligence until you yourself just did :)

As for awareness - I stick to what I said - ask most people what the EU is, what does it do, who's accountable, which parts of the EU are run by people who don't get directly voted into their office by voters, and so on and so forth, and you won't get a comprehensive answer.

You might know the answers to those questions, don't assume everyone else does :)

Regards o7
 
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