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[xondk]

Thanks for that depressing reminder of how small the player base is.

The "Steam" player base is, personally I use the non steam version tied into steam, less intermixing issues and I know most I play with do the same, though some do use steam version....so yeah..just saying.
And also thousands of players on at any one time is not 'bad'
As long as frontier is making a profit and keep producing the game will continue to grow..

 

[Boomer Kay]

I'd take those with a few grains of salt. One it doesn't show stats for people who didn't buy from steam (like me). And of those two populations (direct vs steam buyers) I'd guess that the retention rate is lower among steam players.

Doesn't mean the steam data isn't relevant, just that it might be misleading.

I do find it interesting that it's neck and neck with Kerbal and Space Engineers (Space-ish games) yet at 1/10 the per day stats of Ark (vaguely similar-ish in terms of sandboxy). Might just mean 90% of folks like dinosaurs more than space ships. http://steamcharts.com/cmp/359320,346110,220200,244850

I take it with a huge grain of salt, since I don't play over steam myself and the long-time top 1 game DOTA 2 having 1 million players does not really make it my type of game. It's the type of game that 1 million players that probably wouldn't touch ED like ( I did play it's more successful clone League of Legends for a bit over a year, but .. well .. let's say I'm glad those millions of players found a place for themselves).
Even with all the salt I can add, being in the top 100 of games played on steam (where there's other login options and other platforms as well), is barely something to warrant "skys are falling" posts. There's 5515 games on steam that perform worse.

And sorry, I could not really support this strike. There were things to be done in that game. A small step for the galaxy, a big step for the BGS.

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

I'd take those with a few grains of salt. One it doesn't show stats for people who didn't buy from steam (like me). And of those two populations (direct vs steam buyers) I'd guess that the retention rate is lower among steam players.

Doesn't mean the steam data isn't relevant, just that it might be misleading.

I do find it interesting that it's neck and neck with Kerbal and Space Engineers (Space-ish games) yet at 1/10 the per day stats of Ark (vaguely similar-ish in terms of sandboxy). Might just mean 90% of folks like dinosaurs more than space ships. http://steamcharts.com/cmp/359320,346110,220200,244850

welllll, we obviously need a game with dinosaurs in space.

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well the trend is relevant, ark has a stable playerbase Elite not, compare the 16th of jan of ark and elite and it shows you a % drop for elite while ark is like, stable. Ark is in development, and as elite devs like to say, it is too.

Elite may not show all players, but it shows the trend, and most other games also have their individual launchers, thats not an "elite exclusive" feature.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I like the selective starting point of that trend line

 

[StiTch]

well the trend is relevant, ark has a stable palyerbase Elite not, compare the 16th of jan of ark and elite and it shows you a % drop for elite while ark is like, stable. Ark is in development, and as elite devs like to say, it is too.

Elite may not show all palyers, but it shows the trend, and most other games also have their individual launchers, thats not an "elite exclusive" feature.

Uh...you can't imply a statistical trend by drawing a dodgy line roughly across the last few peaks and...you know what...just...*sigh*

 

[Boomer Kay]

well the trend is relevant, ark has a stable palyerbase Elite not, compare the 16th of jan of ark and elite and it shows you a % drop for elite while ark is like, stable. Ark is in development, and as elite devs like to say, it is too.

Huh?


Comparison .. Garrie's Mod (which is actually a "sandbox", unlike ED with it's "open world"):


You can fill the other 5597 graphs

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

I like the selective starting point of that trend line

its simply the the line aligned at the peak points of the past periods.

Uh...you can't imply a statistical trend by drawing a dodgy line roughly across the last few peaks and...you know what...just...*sigh*

Its a peakline, you can also use on at the bottom if youw ant but the trend is there. being a denier doesn't change the reality that happens.

 

[Boomer Kay]

Its a peakline, youc na also use on at the bottom if youw ant but the trend is there. being a denier doesn't change the reality that happens.

You mean after 2.0 and christmas time and before 2.1 the people actively playing is decreasing?
Shocking.

Yea, the 2.1 delay will negatively impact the actively playing playerbase even further. Time to get the sales out (and they just added it to amazon, so .. hmm.. smart move there, would have bought from Amazon over Steam any time, it required a big sale there to get me hooked).

They should have made Arena free to play, though. It's competing in a market where millions of players have been raised on "free to play with pocketgrabbing itemshop". Seeing a pricetag on a game is pretty much killer. Even if it's just 5-7 bucks and they wasted hundreds on all those other "free to play" games .. stupid marketing tactics unfortunately do work. That's why you get all those amazing "1$" iPhones with your 50$/24 month contracts.
Guess they didn't really have the microtransactions ready, though - bit of a lost opportunity, if you want my quasi-professional analyst opinion.

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

Huh?
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Comparison .. Garrie's Mod (which is actually a "sandbox", unlike ED with it's "open world"):
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You can fill the other 5597 graphs

don't use the lines outside the ^^^^^ shapes because they are a bit differently summed up interpolated data since they have less "counter points" left than the actual daily ones. Look at the garries mod.

But yes a few things at FD aren't done that well, still not horribly bad, but the entire price of Horizons, wow thats was off the charts if you think what it currently contains.

 

[Boomer Kay]

don't use the lines outside the ^^^^^ shapes because they are a bit differently summed up interpolated data since they have less "counter points" left than the actual daily ones. Look at the garries mod.

Well, it's averaging and a trend. If they can't calculate their junk properly, maybe they should stop putting stuff on the interweb.

But yes a few things at FD aren't done that well, still not horribly bad, but the entire price of Horizons, wow thats was off the charts if you think what it currently contains.

I will wait until the sale to get the 2nd copy for my wingmate.
It's still a cheap hobby. For 50 bucks you barely get a can full of half-decent golfballs that end up in some brush or lake.

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

I will wait until the sale to get the 2nd copy for my wingmate.
It's still a cheap hobby. For 50 bucks you barely get a can full of half-decent golfballs that end up in some brush or lake.

While true, its still a very competitive hobby, sooo many games that want to be played. And I tend to only buy games that I truly plan to play at leats enough time to justify the invenstment even if I could buy them all.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

its simply the the line aligned at the peak points of the past periods.

Still, I like the selective starting point of that trend line

 

[Boomer Kay]

We should let this poor thread rest in piece and move to more interesting topics.
Cubeo Cigars in a quality Aisling Duval Adult Entertainment Center. Now that they're free, they need to pay for their college somehow.
Forget about that PEGI 7 rating!

 

[0MN1SC13NC3]

I still don't understand how this was a problem. Some people broke mobius' rules and they were removed from the group. I'm sure it has happened before. In open, I don't see how griefing is a problem, either. I play exclusively in open and I've been "griefed" by another player... wait for it... one time. This was during my first month of playing the game. I've been lurking this forum since inception and I've gotta say that the whining, as far as PvP and PvE is concerned, is ridiculous.

 

[Nerf Buck]

I'd take those with a few grains of salt. One it doesn't show stats for people who didn't buy from steam (like me). And of those two populations (direct vs steam buyers) I'd guess that the retention rate is lower among steam players.

You're correct, it's simply indicative as are most statistics. Doesn't mean it's meaningless though.

And Steam players doesn't equal Steam buyers. For example I purchase through the Frontier store but play through Steam. Others may or may not do the same, but it does dispel the common myth round here that nobody bought it on Steam so nobody plays it on Steam.

The "Steam" player base is, personally I use the non steam version tied into steam, less intermixing issues and I know most I play with do the same, though some do use steam version....so yeah..just saying.
And also thousands of players on at any one time is not 'bad'
As long as frontier is making a profit and keep producing the game will continue to grow..

As a percentage of overall sales even the peak number (overall retention) really is awful. I'm not saying that the game is doing to hell or anything so dramatic. And I wont write an essay on it because my intention wasn't to send this off topic... but people disagreed with me so this is my rebuff

OT: For anyone interested Frontier's accounts are public and their investor reports are easy to find. Interesting reading and explains some publishing and pricing decisions.

 

[Boomer Kay]

As a percentage of overall sales even the peak number (overall retention) really is awful. I'm not saying that the game is doing to hell or anything so dramatic. And I wont write an essay on it because my intention wasn't to send this off topic... but people disagreed with me so this is my rebuff

OT: For anyone interested Frontier's accounts are public and their investor reports are easy to find. Interesting reading and explains some publishing and pricing decisions.

For a subscription model MMOG, it would be.
But - Mr. Braben stated somewhere, that the average ovreall playtime is around 60 hours, if I remember correctly? The average playtime of an MMOG is between 15 and 20 hours .. a week. There might be a lot of people who treat ED just like the next best offline game alltogether and wait for the next big DLC.

HmHm.. ok.. I'm out.

 

[CMDR Argent Steel]

I played during the Ides of March and I LIKED it. And I loved playing it. I played in Mobius (PVE), I played in Open, and I played in solo. I even played in my own private group, Argent Steel*.

*For an invite to the Argent Steel private group, you have to be friends with me first in game, and then simply chat with me for a while until I get a sense of who and what kind of player you are. And then you're in. It's like that.

 

[StiTch]

Its a peakline, you can also use on at the bottom if youw ant but the trend is there. being a denier doesn't change the reality that happens.

This is why I just can't be bothered to get in to the discussion.

You simply can't take a graph, take a random point in time, draw a line (badly) across the last few peaks and imply that is an "unstable playerbase". A downwards trend, even properly proved, doesn't constitute an unstable set of statistics.

 

[Vorxian]

Give private groups the ability to switch off other player damage.

Done. Dusted. Everyone can go home now and have a twix and cuppa-soup.

Keep everything else as is. No point to lay incentives of bonuses to open play.. Incentives that are ultimately like a 'pitcher plant' enticing a mouse with yummy sweet water only to drown it and then digest its slowly rotting carcass..

If no FD official PvE OPEN server, then simply enable tools to allow groups to manage these exact things themselves including disable 'friendly fire'. So simple.

 

[Mouse]

This is the worst post I've ever seen without a shadow of a doubt.

I am going to play extra hard during this week to make a stand for a) players that balls up and accept that stuff happens, or b) players that use this thing called private play.

You are preaching to the converted. There's already a play mode just for people like you. I don't get any of this crying.

THe original intent of OP's post was in reaction to a group weaseling their way into private groups then ganking people. Which is why some, myself included, would like a second open mode alongside the current. One PVP one PVE that way no matter your social playstyle you are allowed to play your way.