...alll fine. But doesn't add to any of the question(s) at hand!?
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I do hope Season 2 helps Piracy - Today's experience just confirms to me it doesn't work very well...
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...alll fine. But doesn't add to any of the question(s) at hand!?
Just a friendly reminder that FDev considers combat-logging to be an exploit.
High-waking is really less of an issue considering there is a module specifically designed to combat it; if you want to chase someone halfway across the galaxy you can, provided they don't combat-log and/or switch to solo/pg.
Nim
Agreed... But TBH, while other mechanics are so "questionable", I'm not very precious about it TBH...
ie: I could have quite happily have jumped away, or just have sat there, watching my hull reducing and been blown up... For what? Neither of us would have gained... And given this was seemingly two willing individuals, and the mechanics(still) fall apart...!? :S
I've had this feature used against me, and used it against others, to great effect in the past... Tracking the individual down over and over...
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Suggestion: When you spool up your FSD drives the game tells others (energy surge detected or something like that), so perhaps when you do a 15s exit the game tells others too ("Ship systems powering down")
Where as a graceful exit (Escape --> Save / Exit --> 15s countdown) is NOT combat logging.
FWS's don't prevent people from high waking out a system - they simply tell you where they went.
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That's a good idea. Not the whole solution to this problem but I like this idea a lot.
If you are exiting the game to avoid losing a ship, you are a combat-logger.
When did anybody suggest that FWS could prevent people from high-waking?
Nim
You can log out legitimately it isn't combat logging, its also suicide if anyone notices you doing it - it is vastly safer to escape using legitimate means than it is to sit for 15s and log out. (unless your in a flying coffin T7)
About FWS - They are extra bad currently, as it is actually faster to cycle the available systems from the menu until you find the one they were pointing at. This module needs a revision of some form, maybe becoming a passive scan that tells you where they are going beforehand or some general usability improvement.
About FWS - They are extra bad currently, as it is actually faster to cycle the available systems from the menu until you find the one they were pointing at. This module needs a revision of some form, maybe becoming a passive scan that tells you where they are going beforehand or some general usability improvement.
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Not according to the Devs (emphasis mine):LINK
You did (or at least that's how it reads to me):
Combat to me means prevent. <shrug>
Or just display their countdown on your HUD/computer so you know no only they are in the exit game countdown, but where they are in it
Hence the "jettison all cargo" hotkey.
I pressed that thing accidentially at least 3 times when trying to deploy my cargoscoop. Talk about unlucky key mapping. But from experience - hitting the right key at the right time works well, not doing so doesn't.
Anything else will inevitably lead to 12 hours sessions of "I shoot you", "wait, I gotta pee", "back? I WILL SHOOT YOU", "wait, wait, zipper open" ....
It's dark in here sometimes. Solution: program a cockpit lamp that is bright enough to light my keyboard. "Doh" solution: get a 5$ USB lamp to complement your 50-300$ Hotas.
"but, but I have an xbox and the next USB port is in the other town"?
"Doh" solution is "Doh".
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Or just display their countdown on your HUD/computer so you know no only they are in the exit game countdown, but where they are in it
I think the problem I have with this is the same reason I wouldn't kill traders who escaped legitimately as a pirate, you don't get any cargo - if they are logging out your choices are kill them as punishment, or let them logout, either way you receive nothing for your time and have essentially failed as a pirate.
I personally always try to blow up anybody who combat logs, or uses the menu to logout. This isn't because I hate traders (though I do hate combat loggers) its that it was the best balance I could find for people who will essentially just try to bypass dealing with you, anybody who was willing to fight to save their cargo I let go because they still made entertaining gameplay and surely that has rewards right?
Generally on interdiction I'd give 5s for some response of any kind, anybody pressing boost, rotating, firing weapons etc isn't using the logout screen, if they are drifting at a slow speed with no input they obviously are. 10s is just about enough time to destroy a vessel but the bigger the ship obviously the safer it is to logout, I very much doubt I could kill any form of cutter in 10 seconds, maybe if it was unshielded. That would suggest that you'd need at least one change there if they want to really make piracy legitimate.
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I'm not going to argue nomenclature with you. Either you believe that it is okay to exit the game to avoid losing, or you don't.
I guess I could have been more clear, it's not really worth arguing about.
Nim
For what it's worth I don't agree with people logging out specifically to avoid death - that isn't an exploit / cheat however but I would prefer it to be longer (30 seconds)
Majinvash
Banned
Piracy is dead in the current game.
Even when you find a suitable trader
In game issues
1) It will usual die before you can disable it
2) Hatch breakers are rather lacklustre and can be defeated by a couple of point defence. If you try and shoot out the defence, more often than not the player dies.
3) When hatch breakers do work, they take a small amount and because the ship is usually running, spreads the tiny amount over a huge area. ( Just annoying )
4) Shooting the cargo hatch is temperamental and also weapon dependant. Has to be nibbed at each time to get it to drop a little more, when at zero. Nothing, weirdly.
5) When you shoot out the engines if the target is boosting, it continues to travel at that speed. Whereas even with engines, we have to boost to keep up. Making hatch or breakers almost pointless.
6) A target that can resist for 20 seconds or so, can high wake away from anything.
7) Exploiting Robigo is hugely more profitable and more fun, then trading = Less traders.
Out of game issues
1) Combat logging is so common because players know that FD are doing nothing about it.
2) 15 second sanctioned combat log. What meaningful interaction can you do in 15seconds?
3) Trading in Solo or Private is safer and can be done in a shieldless ship.
The out of game issues have turned many pirates into player killers, vicious circle.
Majinvash
The Voice of Open
Even when you find a suitable trader
In game issues
1) It will usual die before you can disable it
2) Hatch breakers are rather lacklustre and can be defeated by a couple of point defence. If you try and shoot out the defence, more often than not the player dies.
3) When hatch breakers do work, they take a small amount and because the ship is usually running, spreads the tiny amount over a huge area. ( Just annoying )
4) Shooting the cargo hatch is temperamental and also weapon dependant. Has to be nibbed at each time to get it to drop a little more, when at zero. Nothing, weirdly.
5) When you shoot out the engines if the target is boosting, it continues to travel at that speed. Whereas even with engines, we have to boost to keep up. Making hatch or breakers almost pointless.
6) A target that can resist for 20 seconds or so, can high wake away from anything.
7) Exploiting Robigo is hugely more profitable and more fun, then trading = Less traders.
Out of game issues
1) Combat logging is so common because players know that FD are doing nothing about it.
2) 15 second sanctioned combat log. What meaningful interaction can you do in 15seconds?
3) Trading in Solo or Private is safer and can be done in a shieldless ship.
The out of game issues have turned many pirates into player killers, vicious circle.
Majinvash
The Voice of Open
Takes about three seconds to type "I surrender." About 1.2 seconds to press the "Jettison All Cargo" key. Don't see an actual problem here. "No easy way to say I comply." Pardon my french but what do you mean? How much more easier can it get than typing "I comply."
Here, you are literally complaining that someone attacked you because you faffed about for too long. Not only that, you yourself state you didn't communicate, but ASSUMED deploying your landing gear & cargo scoop is a sign that you submit. Personally I'd think the player's panicking. There's no written or unwritten rule about how a pirate should act after interdicting you. They can open fire and take your cargo that way, they can tell you to hand it over or anywhere inbetween.
Get your reality checked, mate. Geesh.
Here, you are literally complaining that someone attacked you because you faffed about for too long. Not only that, you yourself state you didn't communicate, but ASSUMED deploying your landing gear & cargo scoop is a sign that you submit. Personally I'd think the player's panicking. There's no written or unwritten rule about how a pirate should act after interdicting you. They can open fire and take your cargo that way, they can tell you to hand it over or anywhere inbetween.
Get your reality checked, mate. Geesh.
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Fight, jettison, boost, low-wake, high-wake, panic and spin on the spot, slap keys, sit frozen.
All these are things I'd expected to read about here.
But... logging out while being pirated? And logging in and out repeatedly?
Really, now. Disappointed.
All these are things I'd expected to read about here.
But... logging out while being pirated? And logging in and out repeatedly?
Really, now. Disappointed.
Join the disappointed queue...
So to clarify... You're not disappointed that an encounter between two willing parties in a pirating situation failed due to the limited (problematic) mechanics surrounding piracy, but instead that one party (me) got so frustrated by the fact it wasn't working, I even tried "resetting" and coming back in order to desperately try and make it work... yet still failed? Hmmm...
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Join the disappointed queue...
So to clarify... You're not disappointed that an encounter between two willing parties in a pirating situation failed due to the limited (problematic) mechanics surrounding piracy, but instead that one party (me) got so frustrated by the fact it wasn't working, I even tried "resetting" and coming back in order to desperately try and make it work... yet still failed? Hmmm...
Uhm, let me quote myself.
"But from experience - hitting the right key at the right time works well, not doing so doesn't."
Hitting a sequence of wrong keys in any order is not fixing anything.
I jettisoned all my collector limpets on my first mining trip, trying to deploy the cargo scoop.
I panicked, tried targeting the next limpet to scoop it back and by accident targeted the next NPC miner.
I panicked even more and instead of hitting the "cycle target" button, I fired a full volley of mining lasers at him, getting immediate wanted status.
I got frustrated and bit in my desk, resulting in a loss of a tooth.
My dentist recommended I stop biting desks, but what does he know about broken game mechanics. Medical school does not make him a great game deisgner, does it?
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