Let's get one thing straight.

Bacalao

Bacalao
There is a constant stream of threads raging about the modes, I'm pretty sure there is a great big thread somewhere but fortunately haven't seen it in a while.

I play group and solo mostly and sometimes, very occasionally open. The thing that irks me the most is the reasons why players seem to think a player like myself, doesn't want to play in open and for some reason they see me not playing with them as a problem that needs to be "fixed". Lets first make a list of reasons that have nothing to do with it shall we?


  • It isn't fear of losing credits/property. (insurance is 5%...I mean....it's not hard to maintain that, its 5 out of every 100 credits. I lost 10 million to a spawn bug on a planet, oh well, that's what insurance is for, right?)
  • It isn't fear. (of what? you? little ole you in your fancy digital space ship?)
  • It isn't incompetence. (I'm not worried about getting blown up because I can't fly well, or bonking the dock and being embarrased or doing something that will reveal some facet of my ignorance)
  • It isn't connection issues. (Every now and again when in a multiplayer mode the P2P disintegrates and ships rubberband/stutter/jump but that doesn't happen often enough to be a real issue)
  • It isn't instancing. (It can be annoying, but not to the point that it makes me want to give up on getting into the one I want.)
  • It isn't immersion breaking ('hey noobz, wuts up", while annoying, isn't a deal breaker)
  • It isn't seeking an unfair advantage (I'm not doing it so you can't oppose me in the CG or whatever.)

I'm sure I could come up with more, but we'll leave it there.

Why don't I want to play open? I just don't want to deal with you. I don't care if you want to say hi, wing up, shoot me, scold me, annoy me, congratulate me, whatever. I just don't want to deal with it at all. I come home from work, I take care of the kids, I spend time with my wife, after all of that it's late and I want to relax and enjoy a game and that game often happens to be Elite. What I don't want to do is deal with more people. I'm an introvert (look it up, there are quite a few misconceptions, I'm an excellent public speaker, compete athletically in front of lots of people and often a competent leader, that has nothing to do with introversion/extroversion), I did that people thing all day at work and home and church and shopping, etc. I don't need to do it in my quiet, personal corner of the house where I spend my recreation time as well.

Sometimes I don't want it at all, so I play solo. I don't want to see a single hollow box and wonder what another person wants, or if they want anything at all. Other times I just don't want to deal with the possibility/stress of conflict (usually did that all day) so I'll play Mobius and that almost completely takes direct PvP off the table, which can be nice. I can say hi, hang out, wing up, be a little social without having to deal with someone wanting to pressure me into doing something I don't want to do (piracy, pvp, whatever). Sometimes I feel actually quite social or just want some spontaneous interaction (this is extremely rare) and I'll be one of the most active local chat participants at a CG or in a RES or CZ or whatever, so I'll play open and interact.

You see, it has almost nothing to do with a concrete reason because it's almost entirely emotional, it's just my mood, it's just what sounds the most appealing at the time. And it doesn't matter what bonus or penalty or whatever you change or make enticing or penalizing or whatever, I am just not digging it because that's just who I am. I don't want to play a game that makes me feel drained when I already feel drained to start with; so I choose a mode that allows me to avoid that.

Sometimes it's just not the flavor I'm after and I have a feeling I'm not the only person with this kind of sentiment. Open is not the one true ED, it's a way to play and if you enjoy it, GREAT! ENJOY IT! But understand that like with ice cream, some people like and dislike flavors different than you and open is just one flavor of ice cream, while group and solo are other, equally delicious flavors. Can't we all just enjoy our ice cream without conniving some way to compel players to eat the same flavor as us?

I love ED so much because I can choose, I can enjoy the game how I want, when I want and I think that is awesome and I don't think anyone should be pressured or cajoled or prodded into playing it in a way that they don't like. Isn't it wonderful that so many of us can play the same game when we otherwise wouldn't because we'd either be forced to do it as a single player or a multiplayer experience which would ruin it for one or the other of us. Thank you FD for your elegant solution to that problem.

TLDR: The tldr is a resounding base note in the funeral dirge of the collective intellect of our societies.
 

Nugstar

Nugstar
I would suggest to you, that you spend your time either with the kids or wife, or playing the game. Not writing a huge wall of text about nothing.

There are far more important things to talk about, within the elite universe and indeed the wider world.

I've wasted enough time already on this.
 

Bacalao

Bacalao
Raile said:
You don't like dealing with people but here you are, making threads and writing essays on the forums.
Yeah that makes sense.
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Aren't people fascinating?!

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Nugstar said:
I would suggest to you, that you spend your time either with the kids or wife, or playing the game. Not writing a huge wall of text about nothing.

There are far more important things to talk about, within the elite universe and indeed the wider world.

I've wasted enough time already on this.
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I see you learned what salt is.
 

PiLhEaD

PiLhEaD
Bacalao said:
...I don't want to play a game that makes me feel drained when I already feel drained to start with; so I choose a mode that allows me to avoid that...
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Seconded. I also like that ED allows a contemplative and almost meditative mood, just zooming around the galaxy soaking up the endless sights.

I have no interest (any longer) for shoot/scoot/twitch/blast/respawn games. That others do, and that FDev allows for that, is all fine.

I mostly play in Mobius, and well away from the bubble, so, to be honest, I've not seen another CMDR in a few months, and 'oddly' I am still enjoying the game.

Each to their own, now leave me alone!

TLDR -> goto 10
 

xondk

X
Bacalao said:
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I don't quite understand the purpose of this post, you are probably right there are others that share your view on this, which is totally fine, but I am quite sure there are others that have one of the other reasons, though with similar, "Don't want to have to deal" look towards it, because they do not wish to deal with which of the reasons they have, I've spoken with several that state one or another of those reasons, and that's also perfectly fine in my book. But it does seem to indicate that there's issues that need dealt with to improve the game, where in your case, you can just keep playing solo?

The existence of mobius seems to indicate that there are those that want to play with other players, but where open for one or another reason might have issues they do not want to deal with, which ever of those issues it might be is up to them personally. So they chose mobius to avoid said issues.
 
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Bacalao

Bacalao
xondk said:
I don't quite understand the purpose of this post, you are probably right there are others that share your view on this, which is totally fine, but I am quite sure there are others that have one of the other reasons, though with similar, "Don't want to have to deal" look towards it, because they do not wish to deal with which of the reasons they have, I've spoken with several that state one or another of those reasons, and that's also perfectly fine in my book. But it does seem to indicate that there's issues that need dealt with to improve the game, where in your case, you can just keep playing solo?

The existence of mobius seems to indicate that there are those that want to play with other players, but where open for one or another reason might have issues they do not want to deal with, which ever of those issues it might be is up to them personally. So they chose mobius to avoid said issues.
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The point is that, of late there seems to be an increased number of threads and topics attempting to "fix" the game so that the player base switches to open but they constantly cite incorrect motives for why players aren't in open at all. While everything on the forums doesn't directly impact the fate of the game or decisions of the developers some of it in some ways does. I think it's important that it's understood that there isn't a way to "fix" it because there isn't a problem, but a preference.

I certainly believe there are people whose credit balances or whatever are so important to them they won't risk them in open, but I think they are fewer than those that just don't like that style of play and never will. The thing is, by nature they tend to be the quieter segment, in the game and on the forums. They may come here and read and agree and rep but never comment in any thread on the topic, I lurked around here for quite a while before I ever even registered. That's just the way their personalities are and the point is, that's fine and there isn't a way to "fix" it and that needs to be taken into account along with the opinions of the sometimes more vocal "opposition" (I think we aren't opposed in goal, just in method, we all want the game to be better). I guess I felt like it should be given a voice.
 

DanaM

DanaM
Bacalao said:
There is a constant stream of threads raging about the modes...... I just don't want to deal with you.......
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Simple, isn't it? The reason why there are so many threads with people basically repeating the same arguments over and over and over, is that, as a wise man once said, trying to reason with the Open-only PvP pro-bro crowd is like trying to play chess with a pigeon.

TFP;RIA (thanks for posting, read it all)
 

Seonid

Seonid
Bacalao said:
The point is that, of late there seems to be an increased number of threads and topics attempting to "fix" the game so that the player base switches to open but they constantly cite incorrect motives for why players aren't in open at all.
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We've been having those for years, sort of like sunspots really as they just happen now and then, usually having no effect.
 

Caramel Clown

Caramel Clown
Wants to get 'one thing straight'...writes a wall of text...No.
Also, how is this different from 'constant stream of threads raging about the modes'?
What a waste of forum space.
 

Bacalao

Bacalao
Seonid said:
We've been having those for years, sort of like sunspots really as they just happen now and then, usually having no effect.
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But they are having an effect. The things we discuss have an effect all the time. Look at the missile nerf and upcoming buff, the SCB meta change, the current proposal to give incentives for open-play powerplay participation. FD wisely don't constantly shout about the things under consideration, but they are under consideration and they do have an effect, in some cases dramatic effects.

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Caramel Clown said:
Wants to get 'one thing straight'...writes a wall of text...No.
Also, how is this different from 'constant stream of threads raging about the modes'?
What a waste of forum space.
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I know, I hate it when someone makes a point, explains it thoroughly and you can't come up with any kind of rebuttal or constructive critique so you're only left with hollow insults...so annoying!
 

Arry

Arry
Bacalao said:
The point is that, of late there seems to be an increased number of threads and topics attempting to "fix" the game so that the player base switches to open but they constantly cite incorrect motives for why players aren't in open at all. While everything on the forums doesn't directly impact the fate of the game or decisions of the developers some of it in some ways does. I think it's important that it's understood that there isn't a way to "fix" it because there isn't a problem, but a preference.

I certainly believe there are people whose credit balances or whatever are so important to them they won't risk them in open, but I think they are fewer than those that just don't like that style of play and never will. The thing is, by nature they tend to be the quieter segment, in the game and on the forums. They may come here and read and agree and rep but never comment in any thread on the topic, I lurked around here for quite a while before I ever even registered. That's just the way their personalities are and the point is, that's fine and there isn't a way to "fix" it and that needs to be taken into account along with the opinions of the sometimes more vocal "opposition" (I think we aren't opposed in goal, just in method, we all want the game to be better). I guess I felt like it should be given a voice.
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This post is better than the 1st; anyway. Open is a greater risk and only the risk takers, will embrace that, the rest will choose. I don't want to fly my Clipper there, no thanks, I can replace it twice and I'm back the the Cobra. The way I fight, it IS the best Option. However, if I can afford to re-buy 10 times, I am up for it. Simples.

There is no way to improve; open to make it more attractive; because, what you change, will only be attractive to a few and others, will not like. That is the nature of people.
 

Caramel Clown

Caramel Clown
Bacalao said:
I know, I hate it when someone makes a point, explains it thoroughly and you can't come up with any kind of rebuttal or constructive critique so you're only left with hollow insults...so annoying!
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I've made quite clear and constructive point, I just didn't feel the need to write a novel about it.
Not that I have anything against WHAT you wrote. It's just the fact that this thread isn't exactly what you imagine it is :D
 
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