Mining Meta-alloys in open

Slack

Slack
Not sure if this is supposed to be under the "CG thread", but just wanted to get a quick answer as to if there is something I'm not aware of or doing something wrong.

I wanted to mine Meta-alloys in open for the current CG. Approached the site and noticed another ship parked there already. As I approached I saw the cmdr making haste in his srv back to his ship. Probably thinking I was about to attack. I had no interest in this however as attacking a parked ship doesnt appeal to me. I slowly approached and found a nice landing spot next to the parked ship. Got out in my srv, and started mining. We had a nice little chat, comparing the size of our ships parked next to each other ect. It was a really good multiplayer experience.

Unfortunately I also realized that there were no more alloys to mine. At which point I had to break my immersion and switch to solo, to get a refresh. Just though this is a bit of a missed opportunity for FD. Why not have the alloys respawn quickly enough so you dont have to mode switch? Or is this by design? Am I only supposed to be able to pick up 2 alloys (or none if another cmdr is there already) and deliver them to Obsidian 2 at a time? If thats the case, we would have zero chance of hitting the community goal. I believe most cmdrs are mode switching to get a reasonable amount of alloys. Which means the immersion breaking mode switching is intended?

I think if there were enough alloys (or fast enough respawn rate), you could have several cmdrs mining the same site and enjoying each others company in Open play. And its not like it would go 10x faster. You still have to mine them, drop them off at your ship and then head back to repeat the process. The only thing missing, would be the mode switching. This was my first time mining barnacles so if there is something I'm missing please point it out. Is there another way to stay in open and still get enough alloys?
 

Chris Simon

Chris Simon
The keyword here is "rare" ;)

If you want meta-alloys, you must simply find your own barnacle to murder.

And to the other part - I don't think barnacle slaughter is something you should do in open. There are many (like me) who could try and protect it. :p
 
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Jakester13

Jakester13
My experience of this CG in open wasn't a good one, so my advice is: Extreme suspicion towards unknown human CMDRs.

The very shortage of the alloys that you describe above can cause some "greedy behaviour".

"Greedy behaviour" as in lazors and pewpew.

Not to mention Maia is crawling with "pirates".

But I too would rather do it in open, but I don't expect to get top 75%!

o7
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
goemon said:
nope. i'm also irritated by the numbers - you only can get to the tiers by modeswitching. which is why i personally have skipped all MA-cgs till now.
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Exactly. I just got a handfull, dropped them and left. Might go back for CAP but the idea is nonsense.
 

Chris Simon

Chris Simon
goemon said:
nope. i'm also irritated by the numbers - you only can get to the tiers by modeswitching. which is why i personally have skipped all MA-cgs till now.
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Well, you can still find many more without mode switching. On the Merope moons, they also appear in POIs...
 

777Driver

777Driver

This is something that has confused about the whole CG. I can't see how it works in Open without encouraging mode switching, it only takes one cmdr to be in your session and at a site, you'll get there and the barnacles have already been destroyed.

Even if you go in private or solo, max is 2 alloys per site.. At least that's how it's been when I've gone looking in the past.

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Chris Simon said:
Well, you can still find many more without mode switching. On the Merope moons, they also appear in POIs...
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Good to know! I was under the impreesion they only spawn at these specific locations https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...3GQhC5KT-o9u05ihWKXebt4BcM/edit#gid=223643326
 

goemon

goemon
to be fair, setting up the CG's with tiers doable without modeswitching, this would have only lead to the CG closing after one or two days. in this way, a commander who don't want to modeswitch can still fly from location to location, and collect those rare MA's. but.
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
goemon said:
to be fair, setting up the CG's with tiers doable without modeswitching, this would have only lead to the CG closing after one or two days. in this way, a commander who don't want to modeswitch can still fly from location to location, and collect those rare MA's. but.
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*cough*open only...*cough*
 

Slack

Slack
sleutelbos said:
*cough*open only...*cough*
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I think FD could get a lot more players in Open by doing one simple thing. Balance the risk/reward system. This CG is one good example why going in open makes no sense. Not only are you taking more risk by going in open, but chances are when you get there, someone already got the loot. Its backwards right now, its more risk for a lower potential reward.

Same reason trade ships mostly stay in solo. I think even the cautious cmdrs would go in open, if it was a worthwhile. For example if that trade ship made 50-100% higher profits by being in open, it would then be worth getting killed by a wing of clippers the odd time as in the end even with all the deaths you might still be making 25-50% more or at least the same as if you stayed in solo. Again, currently this is backwards, because if you go in open, you are guaranteed to make less, hence why most dont do it. Implementing this open bonus would also make the pirates happy as there would be more targets to hunt, all of which are quite content being hunted as they are all getting a more exciting experience and potential for higher profits. Everybody wins.

The bottom line of why many cmdrs dont go in open and you have private groups like Mobius, is because the risk/reward system isnt balanced. Give the trader/miner a reason to go out in open other than painting a giant target on their back. I know Sandro and some of the other devs sometimes appear out of nowhere like ninjas on these threads.. So if youre reading this I would like to hear your opinion on it.
 
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fruitbat

fruitbat
Slack said:
I think FD could get a lot more players in Open by doing one simple thing. Balance the risk/reward system. This CG is one good example why going in open makes no sense. Not only are you taking more risk by going in open, but chances are when you get there, someone already got the loot. Its backwards right now, its more risk for a lower potential reward.

Same reason trade ships mostly stay in solo. I think even the cautious cmdrs would go in open, if it was a worthwhile. For example if that trade ship made 50-100% higher profits by being in open, it would then be worth getting killed by a wing of clippers the odd time as in the end even with all the deaths you might still be making 25-50% more or at least the same as if you stayed in solo. Again, currently this is backwards, because if you go in open, you are guaranteed to make less, hence why most dont do it. Implementing this open bonus would also make the pirates happy as there would be more targets to hunt, all of which are quite content being hunted as they are all getting a more exciting experience and potential for higher profits. Everybody wins.

The bottom line of why many cmdrs dont go in open and you have private groups like Mobius, is because the risk/reward system isnt balanced. Give the trader/miner a reason to go out in open other than painting a giant target on their back. I know Sandro and some of the other devs sometimes appear out of nowhere like ninjas on these threads.. So if youre reading this I would like to hear your opinion on it.
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100% agree.
 

dead_rock

dead_rock
W/o turning this thread into yet another Solo VS Open debate I was confused about that the last time we had to collect the MAs.

The whole game is instanced AFAIK and in POIs on planets it seems that the "loot" is instanced for each player separately. Meaning, when I fly into the POI with my wing mate we'll both see 2 cargo canisters but he can collect 2 and I still can collect 2 just like in many other MMOs (The Division being a very recent example).

Why are the Barnacles different and how is that helping with a COMMUNITY goal?
 

fossil

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Chris Simon said:
The keyword here is "rare" ;)

If you want meta-alloys, you must simply find your own barnacle to murder.

And to the other part - I don't think barnacle slaughter is something you should do in open. There are many (like me) who could try and protect it. :p
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Murder ? How do you murder a Barnacle ? I think they are plants and I'm just picking the fruit - I've never killed one yet....
 

fossil

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Chris Simon said:
You're "picking the fruit" by cutting the tree down. And it's not your tree.
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Just pruning to get at the fruit - it grows again just fine. I know plenty of "vegetable" murderers but no "fruit" murderers....

And it IS my tree - I found it therefore its mine....its what us humans have been doing throughout history....
 

Chris Simon

Chris Simon
fossil said:
Just pruning to get at the fruit - it grows again just fine. I know plenty of "vegetable" murderers but no "fruit" murderers....

And it IS my tree - I found it therefore its mine....its what us humans have been doing throughout history....
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Yes, it is British way of doing things. ;)
It's called "entitlement" and most of the world hates/makes fun of us for it.
 
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Ouberos

Ouberos
fossil said:
Just pruning to get at the fruit - it grows again just fine. I know plenty of "vegetable" murderers but no "fruit" murderers....

And it IS my tree - I found it therefore its mine....its what us humans have been doing throughout history....
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Let's be honest, we are breaking them with no analysis of what impact that has on their ecology.

The only thing we do know is they have fireflies like the UA do and they have a connection with the UA. It's fair to say the UA act like they are sentient, they scan our ships and otientate thrmselves in space. They also react when you scoop them. They try to escape by attavking your cargo hold doors. Then they attack your life support system. Putting pressure on you to release them.

Sounds like the UA act like a sentient being. I propose on this basis the Barnacles should be left alone.

Admittedly it's a bit late for that.
 

fossil

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Chris Simon said:
Yes, it is British way of doing things. ;)
It's called "entitlement" and most of the world hates/makes fun of us for it.
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Not just the British way - many European countries did the same thing - it just that the British were better at it.

Glad you seem to have dropped the "murder" charge....
 
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