It seems to me what we read into MB's posts is inversely proportional to their length.
Some day he'll post a period and we'll unlock the meaning of life, the universe and everything.
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UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 6 - The Canonn
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It seems to me what we read into MB's posts is inversely proportional to their length.
Some day he'll post a period and we'll unlock the meaning of life, the universe and everything.
Maybe he uses inverted psychology? *tinfoil up*
Remember, protect yourself from harmful rays, waves and radiation of any kind,
with the tinfoil shield around your mind!
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I've tried running the 5hr signal, a 1hr capture pre yesterday's patch and my capture from today that is post patch through the following, still no luck:
I can't think of any other form of analysis I could try that would find meaning from the noise emitted from the barnacles.
I've also gone through and done a memory dump of Elite while sitting right next to an undamaged barnacle and gone through the very large pile of text that generated, nothing there other than the asset and POI being refered to as barnacle internally. I'm assuming this is to stop pesky people like me from doing exactly what I attempted to find the solution.
The hardest part I've found is extracting the notes in a reliable manner from the audio clips. The distortion from the 'grinding' or whatever is a down right pain in the ass. The notes fall in a clear and regular timing however I can't get around the distortion when the notes fall at the same time. If I could get that out of the way I would write something that could extract the notes automatically so I could then have a reliable method of obtaining new data from new clips.
- -Morse code, taken at a random starting point utilising the low notes as dots, high as dashes.
- -As above with high as dot, low as dashes.
- -Utilising the 'crunching' sounds as separators and using contents within to assign character via morse
- -As above, attempting to assign 7 bit length ascii characters
- Random starting point chosen and continued to separate out binary until had a continual list of valid ascii pointers
- -As above calculating base 10 number from binary to find a pattern
- -Using total sum of tones per 'crunch' separator to try and find a pattern based on total sounds, perhaps a delimiter?
- Groupings of 2 are rarest, utilizing as a delimiter was not useful
- -Utilising the drawing tool from thread 3 and the assigned morse characters to attempt to draw an image.
I can't think of any other form of analysis I could try that would find meaning from the noise emitted from the barnacles.
I've also gone through and done a memory dump of Elite while sitting right next to an undamaged barnacle and gone through the very large pile of text that generated, nothing there other than the asset and POI being refered to as barnacle internally. I'm assuming this is to stop pesky people like me from doing exactly what I attempted to find the solution.
The hardest part I've found is extracting the notes in a reliable manner from the audio clips. The distortion from the 'grinding' or whatever is a down right pain in the ass. The notes fall in a clear and regular timing however I can't get around the distortion when the notes fall at the same time. If I could get that out of the way I would write something that could extract the notes automatically so I could then have a reliable method of obtaining new data from new clips.
hehe. When I say 'feeding' I mean the thing is literally mining. Maybe something like a plant with a root system is feeding from the soil, only more actively. That's how it's gathering the materials that go into the spires and and up becoming the meta alloy fruits
Ok so we have barnacles producing what we think is morse code, but there are no spaces or any way of deciphering the huge strings of morse we are getting. We need some sort of cipher... Well we have the geometry of the barnacle. Why not use the barnacle itself as some sort of cipher, for example:
We have 17 spires, 6 outer shells, every second shell there is a logo and there is one central pillar.
So this considered, could we use this as some sort of cipher? So for ever 17 characters of morse, we have a space every 6, and then every second character we use in the final code?
Im no expert in morse, so if this is completely ridiculous, tell me and I will go away.
Thanks,
Omate.
We have 17 spires, 6 outer shells, every second shell there is a logo and there is one central pillar.
So this considered, could we use this as some sort of cipher? So for ever 17 characters of morse, we have a space every 6, and then every second character we use in the final code?
Im no expert in morse, so if this is completely ridiculous, tell me and I will go away.
Thanks,
Omate.
or maybe that's what he wants you to think...
Unless the harmful rays, waves or radiation are already inside your head. In which case you need to leave a hole in order to let them out...
Haha. Oh, well played, sir. Well played.
Another theory (tinfoil time) could be: While we know that UAs collect information about our ships and under the assumption that UAs and barnacles are related to each other (and communicate, maybe in just one direction UA->barnacle), the single channel sounds could be incoming information from the UAs, where L and R indicate the direction of the UA which is sending. The 'stereo' sounds from the barnacle could then be processing sounds... either the information is forwarded to someone very far away and the UAs are not capable of doing so, or the barnacles themselves are exploiting the information somehow.
It's very unlikely to be both morse and a cipher, since this would make it near indecipherable in its current state.
If it's morse, the only way to figure that out without any information on where the letter spaces are is to find recognisable words, and that CAN work although it seems Morse code is very good at throwing up false positives. Nobody has yet been able to find a lengthy passage that makes something intelligible (or even reliable repetition of the signal) - but at least it's feasible that someone might hit on an unmistakeable phrase that is long enough that it couldn't just be down to pure chance (which, it turns out, is longer than you'd think because of the nature of Morse)
If it's a cipher on top of being morse, that removes even the ability to use guesswork with recognisable words. It would be like trying to find a particular piece of hay in a haystack, and all you have to go on is 'it looks like hay'.
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So I would suggest we get a few different sets of data:
1. 1 hour recording of an undamaged barnacle in an SRV with no cargo and the ship dismissed.
2. 1 hour recording, same as above, but with a damaged barnacle.
3. 1 hour recording, same as 1, but with the ship nearby (less than 100m?)
4. 1 hour recording, same as above, but with a damaged barnacle.
I'm sure there are lots of variations on a theme we could add, but I think that's a pretty good start. I'd suggest if anyone tries this that you log out between each recording to possibly "reset" the barnacle. Each test should probably be repeated as well. I plan on trying to do some of these myself this weekend as well as try my hand at some morse.
I assume we've looked for UA style morse in the barnacles sound already, yes?
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Transcribing the message is among a long list of things I want to do.
1. 1 hour recording of an undamaged barnacle in an SRV with no cargo and the ship dismissed.
2. 1 hour recording, same as above, but with a damaged barnacle.
3. 1 hour recording, same as 1, but with the ship nearby (less than 100m?)
4. 1 hour recording, same as above, but with a damaged barnacle.
I'm sure there are lots of variations on a theme we could add, but I think that's a pretty good start. I'd suggest if anyone tries this that you log out between each recording to possibly "reset" the barnacle. Each test should probably be repeated as well. I plan on trying to do some of these myself this weekend as well as try my hand at some morse.
I assume we've looked for UA style morse in the barnacles sound already, yes?
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Transcribing the message is among a long list of things I want to do.
Okay so if we consider the speeding up solution isn't the solution, by listening and analysing on the spectrogram the recordings, when there's that "high little vibration sound going down in frequencies after like 3 or
3 seconds", seems not natural at all. On the Zenith's recording you can hear it from 1:05 to 1:12:
Maybe it's just insignificant but it look strange, I'm not a pro also so I don't really know what is there..
3 seconds", seems not natural at all. On the Zenith's recording you can hear it from 1:05 to 1:12:
Maybe it's just insignificant but it look strange, I'm not a pro also so I don't really know what is there..
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We've all gone for speeding the audio up, heck even I've listen to the audio speeded up trying to hear the morse.
However, what about the 'crunch' noises, have we thought about slowing those down and seeing if theres anything in there, in other words, the barnacle is making a 'burst' transmission too fast for us to understand.
Bill
<<got bored at work earlier and was pondering ideas when the Star trek v'ger probe wandered past his train of thought
However, what about the 'crunch' noises, have we thought about slowing those down and seeing if theres anything in there, in other words, the barnacle is making a 'burst' transmission too fast for us to understand.
Bill
<<got bored at work earlier and was pondering ideas when the Star trek v'ger probe wandered past his train of thought
Imaginary numbers perhaps?
I believe a number can be both complex as well as transcendental, although I don't know of one.
That will be the camera drifting slowly right constantly during the recording. I tried to correct it and recentre the camera twice, but it drifted a lot right towards the end so the Barnacle was on the left of the screen. You can hear it in the phase change from R to L in the audio.
My recording from last night is already option 1.
Undamaged Barnacle and spikes, ship dismissed, no cargo, just the SRV.
The Barnacles are "pods". And the UA's send your ship schismatic stop these pods. Once the pods hatch, they'll spawn ships that look like you; go into your familiar systems, grief EVERYTHING, and get ungodly bounties placed on your head.
You will then be required to track yourself on the bounty board and "kill yourself" to clear your name and potentially collect the bounties that are on your head....
Tinfoil!
The barnacles are cosmic trolls.
You will then be required to track yourself on the bounty board and "kill yourself" to clear your name and potentially collect the bounties that are on your head....
Tinfoil!
The barnacles are cosmic trolls.
i am just there(barnard's loop)... if i will find something i will post it ..soon(tm)
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