Ian Phillips
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Well, if you indulge it that, can I advise you to stand upwind... you're getting wet.
Great New Article About Elite Dangerous
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Well, if you indulge it that, can I advise you to stand upwind... you're getting wet.
So they're like the Starfleet Dental of ED? Awful.
Damnit you beat me to the comment about spashback.
Lets be honest though, I'm sure FD would love to make the game work perfectly for everyone but sometimes it's not possible, especially when you mash an MMO, simulator, nostalgia, rpg and arcade game (plus others) into one.
I don' see why people have to quit but something seems a TAD off when the entire games design and developer engagement appears to revolve around ~20k players.. out of 1.5 mil? Perhaps the rest of us should quit although I'm not sure 20K people could pay the bills.
Might be an idea to read some of the steam reviews, I'd say way more than 20k players have left and moved on. But who cares right? Its only a particular type of player thats important apparently ?
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The fuel rats are great. No denying that but remember, they can ONLY work in open. They have no choice. I would argue that the very best "emergent gameplay" in ED has been the Distant Worlds Exhibition. That has spawned the most imaginative things to do with SRV's and ships (some of which I think the PvP groups would love such as the "whack a mole" competition or the SRV demolition derby). The publicity has been great, the videos good marketing tools and over 1000 participants. It is not in open,it is a group.
Enjoy?
Particularly after Brussel attacks, it's an insult to victims' families.
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speaking of thinking: the 20k members figure has been thrown around so much ... now it even is used to imply that '20k players' might quit. sounds impressive. no, wait. it's ridiculous. nobody sees that this figure is obviously a blatant exaggeration?
note i'm not taking sides, here. sdc's act was just a handfull of spoiled childs having fun, and mobius are making great publicity of it. seems all okay to me, the whole issue is nonsense. people must be mightly bored to make such drama with this one.
food for gossip.
Lol. The snipped about Mobius "infiltration". Guess them infiltrators feel very manly now
... (and as a female I can't do else but laugh my rear off due their stupidity).
I don't think "forcing" people to play in open would work - they just wouldn't play - they'd go play No mans sky or something instead.
Just give folk who want to have private groups better tools to moderate those groups.
I see a lot of folk get upset that solo/private affects open - I can see the argument , but I think there are other things needing attention in the game more than that.
Only thing about SDC griefing in Mobius that annoyed me, was it meant it made open way safer for me.... and I don't want it safe, I fly solo in open and go out of my way to look for blockades to run - those TOC folks at Obsidian orbital recently made runs in and out much more entertaining - after farming 32 tons of meta-alloys I need something challenging to spice the evening up
I suspect what most online games need is something i haven't seen since Everquest - in game GM guides who basically play npc's and cause havoc (release the dragon on the lvl 1's - remember that one EQ vets ? ) - that way we'd get some excitement , but one would hope without the leakage into real life trolling or Isis or whatever boring drivel always seems to happen with the average John Q Troll.
Just give folk who want to have private groups better tools to moderate those groups.
I see a lot of folk get upset that solo/private affects open - I can see the argument , but I think there are other things needing attention in the game more than that.
Only thing about SDC griefing in Mobius that annoyed me, was it meant it made open way safer for me.... and I don't want it safe, I fly solo in open and go out of my way to look for blockades to run - those TOC folks at Obsidian orbital recently made runs in and out much more entertaining - after farming 32 tons of meta-alloys I need something challenging to spice the evening up
I suspect what most online games need is something i haven't seen since Everquest - in game GM guides who basically play npc's and cause havoc (release the dragon on the lvl 1's - remember that one EQ vets ?
) - that way we'd get some excitement , but one would hope without the leakage into real life trolling or Isis or whatever boring drivel always seems to happen with the average John Q Troll.
Fuel Rats can work in Private groups too and the DWE is also in private.
Could always have 2 galaxies , one the size of the bubble for pvp and the normal one for pve
Could always have 2 galaxies , one the size of the bubble for pvp and the normal one for pve
No but you are also not reading the posts. 20000 was simply a number that one poster said was the number of people who could quit and it wouldn't bother him/her. That is why you are seeing that number a lot when people are replying the that poster. Nobody has until right now related this to the size of the Mobius group.
Thats cool that you care a lot about the things you care a lot about, but guess what? Most people are far less into you than you are into yourself. FD will gladly take the money of 20.000 players who dont want to play with you if the only cost is losing you and 99 other solipsist.
Something I noticed, as an Open player: many of the diehard Open advocates on the forum seem to consider Open to be Solo with the other people serving as 'more advanced NPCs'. "I want to build Death Stars so others must pay me toll", "I want to have the biggest space ships so others have to tell me how cool I am" and "I want people to beg for their puny lives and give me stuff". Thankfully the people in Open are generally quite unlike these people.
To your first points: MY points are NOT the only valid points BUT.. they are more valid than: "Because" "That's the way it's always been done" "That was the KS promise" It's not "MY way vs. Their way" it's "Actual solutions to actual problems vs. Pretending there isn't a problem."
Understand, as Xbox player I'm only going to miss people I play with. I would also say that FD doesn't lose money if those 20,000 people quit. FD already has their money.
"But Guy, they would also never buy paintjob or addons again, that surely would make them feel a loss of income"
Again, I'm an Xbox player, so I can't say I feel bad about them losing income on features I also don't have access to.
I think Open events are brilliant. HOPE THEY OFFER IT ON MY PLATFORM.. Open on Xbox is more dead than you know.
To your edit: I think piracy is really broken, especially when anyone who does get interdicted can submit and then High wake it out without any worry of actually having to combat a pirate. So in that sense, you are correct, it's a different issue and off topic.
Wait .. what ?! You're an xbox player .. arguing over a PC group ... whom you will never meet even if they did play in open ... you've been trolling me. Well done, and welcome to my ignore list.
I don't think "forcing" people to play in open would work - they just wouldn't play - they'd go play No mans sky or something instead.
Just give folk who want to have private groups better tools to moderate those groups.
I see a lot of folk get upset that solo/private affects open - I can see the argument , but I think there are other things needing attention in the game more than that.
Only thing about SDC griefing in Mobius that annoyed me, was it meant it made open way safer for me.... and I don't want it safe, I fly solo in open and go out of my way to look for blockades to run - those TOC folks at Obsidian orbital recently made runs in and out much more entertaining - after farming 32 tons of meta-alloys I need something challenging to spice the evening up
I suspect what most online games need is something i haven't seen since Everquest - in game GM guides who basically play npc's and cause havoc (release the dragon on the lvl 1's - remember that one EQ vets ?
Those who whine about solo/group/open are brainless monkeys anyway - just ignore them. People play in a mode which suits them, and no one else has a right to even whine about it (if I was a mod, I'd banhammer hard anyone who'd come up with *anything* related to pve vs pvp or alike - and not just in forums, I'd banhammer their game accounts too).
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Enjoy?
Particularly after Brussel attacks, it's an insult to victims' families.
Have you actually read the article?
Ok, I'm making some progress
A lot of people on the forum (PVE, PVP players) want the same single little thing: Play the way they want.
The problem is that when other people mess with the way they play, be it combat loggers, Solo players, Pirate/Murderers, etc.
And then we end-up with hundred of OPEN/SOLO/PG topics, which bring nothings to the table because the same arguments are used over and over.
The problem is that FDev cannot change radically the design (game ecosystem and server infrastructure) of the game.
Example: the failed Criminality update of last year
If there was open only, you wouldn't have many Traders trying to maximize their profit. They would be extremely rare (if combat logging was not possible).
Something which upset me is the Term "Carebear" given to traders, because most of them do like PVPer but not focusing on the pewpew. They select and fit their ship according to their environment:
Jump range, Cargo size, shield selection, chaffs, weapons, etc...
If player piracy was more common, THEY WOULD ADAPT and not try to maximize profit anymore but look to SECURE their profit , ie run Blockade Breaking ships.
That would make PVP piracy even more difficult than PVE piracy, as:
- no sane trade player would use some ships like T7, T9
- the cargo hold would be smaller than what they use in Solo/PG
- most trade ship would run with Shield Cell, Chaffs, etc... so kind of combat proof ships
Is it a shame that Open feels empty?
Yes, it is.
But Open only game mode is really an utopic solution as a lot of things would become broken and the traders population would quickly shrink due to the risk/reward imbalance toward them.
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Hey, since I'm on Liqua's ignore list for being an Xbox player, someone want to explain to Liqua just how exactly the BGS works.
Liqua's confused and apparently wont see my posts.
And as a male I laughed my s off at all this 'reasoned justification' for 'unreasonable action'.Lol. The snipped about Mobius "infiltration". Guess them infiltrators feel very manly now
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