How to defeat a commander that tries to scan your ship while you're in the station

[znôrt]

The first time it occurred, I detected three scan attempts in short succession.

as in you saw 'scan detected' 3 times in short succession? that's either a scanner with parkinsons' or three different scanners. you must be very popular!

If you don't like mode logging, then you'll need to take that up with FD as I really don't care whether other pilots like it. Mission stacking is a specifically supported game mechanic that actually can be accomplished with or without mode logging so

fair enough. i do but my sex appeal seems to be lacking, those clowns even set up community goals to find out who is the most reckless mode switcher in the galaxy!

it matters not if FD removes mode logging.

that you don't care doesn't make it matter less for anyone else. i just came here to troll on you argument which was flawed to the extent of being fallacious. but absolutely please play like you feel like, no problemo at all! peace, bro! [heart]

 

[EUS]

I generally switch modes (SM) to stack missions, them I SM to get out of the station without risking being scanned. If I see any red text or pirate text, I SM to evade the interdiction. If I run low on fuel, I SM to see if a more scoopable star will populate nearby. I never combat log, though. I only log out when under attack if my shields go down.

Wow am I naive. It would never have occurred to me to do this.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

So you only mode switch to avoid game mechanics.. am I the only one who thinks that's kinda exploiting the game mechanics..?

Some people are so concerned about 'winning', that they forget about 'playing'.
Each to their own, I guess.

 

[znôrt]

hoping i'm not the only one realizing that sugarat was being (pretty obvioulsy) ironic.

 

[Kneejo]

ROFL!..copter! This is cool. I always scan commanders on pads everywhere, because I scan commanders everywhere.. to know what they are aligned to.. funny to know that it now becomes fashion for them to logout instead of accepting the challenge and deal with it in a smart way that the game may provide.. Oh you may fail a mission here and there, but what do you play for? Flawless victory? Good luck with that in Elite It's falling, picking yourself up and trying again, till you make it.

 

[777Driver]

hoping i'm not the only one realizing that sugarat was being (pretty obvioulsy) ironic.

You mean DanaM.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

ROFL!..copter! This is cool. I always scan commanders on pads everywhere, because I scan commanders everywhere.. to know what they are aligned to.. funny to know that it now becomes fashion for them to logout instead of accepting the challenge and deal with it in a smart way that the game may provide.. Oh you may fail a mission here and there, but what do you play for? Flawless victory? Good luck with that in Elite It's falling, picking yourself up and trying again, till you make it.

Looking at them to find out allegiance is not scanning. We are talking about using cargo/kill warrant scanners in the utility mount slots. Don't need those to see allegiance and status.



On the conversation topic:
Yes some people scan just to fail peoples missions. They were doing it on smuggling CG's to get the police to turn on people and they are doing it now at Robigo etc. Back on the CG's it was a wing of sidewinders at 2km away from the station accepting death like it was going out of fashion provided they could scan someone. CG passed 2 days early without problems.

I'm not touching mode-switching as it's contentious save to say the Devs haven't officially labelled it an exploit and the "all modes are valid" remains. I would expect to see something mentioned about it sometime though as it's starting to get ridiculous now.
In this case I would suggest the OP switch between solo and their own private group of 1 person. If you are going to mode switch then you may as well do it properly and avoid the whole topic brought up here in the first place. Each time you pick a mode you should be willing to accept everything in that mode. Yes the actions of the players doing nothing but scanning people to annoy them is kinda a "male chicken" move but avoiding being there in the first place solves the problem.

 

[znôrt]

You mean DanaM.

correct, thanks.

 

[ocflyer]

Looking at them to find out allegiance is not scanning. We are talking about using cargo/kill warrant scanners in the utility mount slots. Don't need those to see allegiance and status.



On the conversation topic:
Yes some people scan just to fail peoples missions. They were doing it on smuggling CG's to get the police to turn on people and they are doing it now at Robigo etc. Back on the CG's it was a wing of sidewinders at 2km away from the station accepting death like it was going out of fashion provided they could scan someone. CG passed 2 days early without problems.

I'm not touching mode-switching as it's contentious save to say the Devs haven't officially labelled it an exploit and the "all modes are valid" remains. I would expect to see something mentioned about it sometime though as it's starting to get ridiculous now.
In this case I would suggest the OP switch between solo and their own private group of 1 person. If you are going to mode switch then you may as well do it properly and avoid the whole topic brought up here in the first place. Each time you pick a mode you should be willing to accept everything in that mode. Yes the actions of the players doing nothing but scanning people to annoy them is kinda a "male chicken" move but avoiding being there in the first place solves the problem.

Switching from Solo or PG to Open often forces a new the transaction server to be assigned. This presents a new set of missions so that's why most people log into Open. The point of this post is to notify other smugglers how to defeat the male chickens so that it doesn't matter if we log into Open. As long as I am considerate of others in Open that need a pad, I see no problem with logging into Open to check the mission board. Given the Herculean task of synchronizing the transaction servers and given the huge outcry that would occur if FD were to impose an arbitrary log on or log off delay, I don't see mode switching going away.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

Just to understand it: Selecting an other CMDR while pointing in the direction of the CMDRs ship (the scan that gives me the wanted status and the subsystems) is not the "bad" scanning. Only KWS and Cargo scanner?

Don't want to ruin other players day by unintentionally failing their missions just because I'm curious how they have outfitted their ships.

 

[Goose4291]

No Zadian, it's just whacking someone with the cargo scanner that is considered bad form and griefing by the 'smuggling elite' playerbase.

Woe betide you have opposition and all that.

 

[znôrt]

Given the Herculean task of synchronizing the transaction servers

it's a pretty simple task, mostly a matter of resources. one could imagine that with 1m plus copies sold frontier could allow a bit more metal but ... meh.

with this rationale i do see your point, and you're actually quite right but mode switching is still just ... so 80's!

 

[Jukelo]

Yeah, that's a pretty thing to do really, because it really serves no purpose other then to harass others, it doesn't 'fight against' smuggling either so that a bit of a lame excuse I could see some using, if people wanted to fight against it, they'd try to get the faction giving the best smuggling missions pushed out of system/station.

Ah yes, scanning is griefing now. This keeps getting better and better.

 

[Goose4291]

Ah yes, scanning is griefing now. This keeps getting better and better.

Apparently according to the elite smugglers it has been for some time.

I've got 20 or 30 screen grabs of players declaring they were reporting me for such actions, despite announcing my intent as the space police

 

[=71st=RuSh]

Some people are so concerned about 'winning', that they forget about 'playing'.
Each to their own, I guess.

I think you're right, when I play in open, never make a combat log or any other log until quit ED to shutdown the PC.

If someone beat me in a fight, I simply explode and that's all, maybe lose 12-20 mill, but can recover again later and have fun playing. Sometimes I was defeated by a guy that checked my weapons first and took advantage of that, later when I returned fully armed I found him, he ran like a chicken!

Have fun guys!

 

[xondk]

Ah yes, scanning is griefing now. This keeps getting better and better.

Well, the censoring, which seemed a bit odd, for that word, so insert I don't know low? silly? lame? between pretty and thing.

That said I don't know if it is griefing, I never said that, because it is a tricky situation, though it is clearly something that only affects one side, and the other side gains nothing so maybe does fall under griefing, but....obviously, this is the same kind of thing compared to when people point laser pointers at commercial planes or helicopters or such, it is a pretty jerk thing to do, but that doesn't mean laser pointers should be made illegal, so no scanning in general, is not griefing, and maybe griefing isn't the right word in this case, abusive behaviour perhaps? but that also generally encompasses what is griefing, but that wouldn't mean scanning itself is a problem in any way.
Just the whole, Sit outside station where people pick up shadow missions, scan them to make their shadow missions fail thing.

Especially since npc's can't scan people in hangar's last I checked? only players?

But yeah....there are ways around it, but its silly people go to that extend to do something to harm others, it is quite possible to work in a faction that wouldn't support shadow missions last I checked?

 

[ocflyer]

Ah yes, scanning is griefing now. This keeps getting better and better.

I recommend you actually read my post which is about defeating commanders who camp outside a station to repeatedly scan everybody to force their scan-on-fail missions to fail. And yes, doing this is indeed griefing. Wipe the noodles away, it will make my post easier to read.

 

[=71st=RuSh]

Apparently according to the elite smugglers it has been for some time.

I've got 20 or 30 screen grabs of players declaring they were reporting me for such actions, despite announcing my intent as the space police

But Robigo is in a INDEPENDENT system, in fact is a CARTEL owned SYSTEM (smuggling is permitted), It means that I can kick your a** to void if I see you there, Mr Policeman?

 

[MottiKhan]

Call it what you want. I'm just glad there's a counter to it now. Cops are usually dirty anyway. Dirty cops.

 

[777Driver]

Well, the censoring, which seemed a bit odd, for that word, so insert I don't know low? silly? lame? between pretty and thing.

That said I don't know if it is griefing, I never said that, because it is a tricky situation, though it is clearly something that only affects one side, and the other side gains nothing so maybe does fall under griefing, but....obviously, this is the same kind of thing compared to when people point laser pointers at commercial planes or helicopters or such, it is a pretty jerk thing to do, but that doesn't mean laser pointers should be made illegal, so no scanning in general, is not griefing, and maybe griefing isn't the right word in this case, abusive behaviour perhaps? but that also generally encompasses what is griefing, but that wouldn't mean scanning itself is a problem in any way.
Just the whole, Sit outside station where people pick up shadow missions, scan them to make their shadow missions fail thing.

Especially since npc's can't scan people in hangar's last I checked? only players?

But yeah....there are ways around it, but its silly people go to that extend to do something to harm others, it is quite possible to work in a faction that wouldn't support shadow missions last I checked?

There are quite a few cmdr's that are anti slavery, Robigo seems like the perfect place to target slave runners in Open. Not saying that is what happened with the Op, most of the anti slave runner cmdr's seem to target Anaconda's and Lakon's on the popular imperial slave routes.

Robigo is a hive of criminal activity, gloves are off when flying out there in Open.

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But Robigo is in a INDEPENDENT system, in fact is a CARTEL owned SYSTEM (smuggling is permitted), It means that I can kick your a** to void if I see you there, Mr Policeman?

The Cartel lost control of the system a while ago, it is still Anarchy tho, despite being Empire controlled