Can we all Cheer up please?

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Bran Tse Mallory

Bran Tse Mallory
Kizbot said:
I tried. Just wanted to lift some spirits as I keep reading really negative threads.
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And you did it all with good intentions so I applaud you for doing so.

I am one of those you mention who has voiced there frustrations at Frontier but out of passion for the game, nothing else. I also consider myself a fanboy who wants the game to be everything it can be in the eye's of the developers - not mine.

No doubt in the next 8 years that we have left on the 'Plan' I will feel the need to post another rant at some point much to the despair of some forums users.

While there can be a lot of negative comments on these forums I find on the whole that you are all a pretty decent bunch of chaps and lasses.
Except those moderator types... they are just... Strange! ;)
 

Aewarin Jameson

Aewarin Jameson
kofeyh said:
Because the game is shallow and doesn't have everything the person wants already.
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FD themselves are pretty much to blame for this by teasing us with their ideas - I will give you one right now as it's perhaps one of the things that frustrates me about ED.

"Used ships."

FD chimed on about buying a new ship would be rare and that most of us would be in 2nd hand ships that had some quirks, some "character" so that we wouldn't all be identical.

Examine what we have today and see how that matches with their ideas .. Where's the 2nd hand ship market ? Where's the half dead looking ships ? Why are all ships brand new looking around the stations ? There's no life or soul in them, just shiny paint jobs and pristine hulls.
 

Kayweg

Kayweg
That's quite alright OP.
Can you briefly describe how your thread is any different from those you're adressing ?
Ahh, see ?;)
 

kofeyh

kofeyh
Liqua said:
FD themselves are pretty much to blame for this by teasing us with their ideas - I will give you one right now as it's perhaps one of the things that frustrates me about ED.

"Used ships."

FD chimed on about buying a new ship would be rare and that most of us would be in 2nd hand ships that had some quirks, some "character" so that we wouldn't all be identical.

Examine what we have today and see how that matches with their ideas .. Where's the 2nd hand ship market ? Where's the half dead looking ships ? Why are all ships brand new looking around the stations ? There's no life or soul in them, just shiny paint jobs and pristine hulls.
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Because people don't actually care. I know that sounds blunt. But they don't. Everyone has their pet thing they want in the game. And as much as I'd love to see some of the stuff I care about added, the developer has a different drum beat they are following. That's partly based on the roadmap, and partly what can actually be delivered in the time frames available.

It's also sometimes the developer has a thought and the assumption is automatically that that will be 100% added to the game as-is. They are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Communicate upcoming stuff and risk being shot down for not delivering exactly and precisely what is said at exactly the right time. Or they don't and people claim the developer isn't communicating.

It's not hard to see how there's no way for the developer to gain any traction if neither will be acceptable. ;)

I can't expect finesse if the basics aren't all there yet (no reason to not hope for and ask for, of course). Done before things are settled in, that finesse has to be endlessly redone as any new features are added. So whilst I am disappointed some features don't work great (wings between AU and US people are completely broken at present) I'll put up with that for a bit if other things are being fixed and improved for the broader player base.

To assume that a game that has a few years to go would already have the sorts of finesse you'd expect half way through the project or so, is to probably be a bit hopeful. All good to discuss of course.

But lately it's just been endless whining about shallow ponds and such, as apposed to healthy debate. And anyone foolish enough to try and debate it just gets shot down by those who seem to exist here for the sole purpose of having a vent.

This is just observation. It's pretty hard to miss at this point.
 
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Vorxian

Vorxian
For me specifically - as long as content is locked out from players with limited time using artificial reputation walls to block the purchase of ships (tools), that affects me now.. I'll bleat on about it until I run out of energy then I'll move elsewhere. It's not nerd-rage, nor entitlement, it's a simple fact that I can either grind grind grind for credits, or I can grind grind grind for reputation, not both.. As someone said earlier, it affects things now, and now is why I play. I don't wish to make it a goal for 18 months time, the chances are I'd move on by then. People need ED to deliver now, as in 3 to 4 months time, the crowd may well disperse whilst other genre related titles are released.

No one wants that to happen, we love ED for a reason... yet for me specifically, this sandbox is GREAT, but a lot of the sand is locked behind glass walls.

Glass half full ? Glass half empty?

Right now it feels like the glass is twice as big as it should be.

Folks are voicing the things that matter, and topics / threads like this one allow these voices to come together in one place.
 

Aewarin Jameson

Aewarin Jameson
kofeyh said:
Because people don't actually care. <snip> But lately it's just been endless whining as apposed to healthy debate.
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People do care, that's the reason for them posting in the first place - if they didn't why would you be here ?

I agree that lately there's a lot of complaining but again I put that on FD's shoulders ... manage the expectations, including their own, and there will be less drama on the forums. ( EG: $100,000 CQC competition .. remember that as I don't think FD do ;))
 

Bran Tse Mallory

Bran Tse Mallory
Ian Phillips said:
Whats with all the off topic posts?

The OP was about being cheerful.... So cheer up you miserable lot :)
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Good morning Mr. Philips,

Could I point out the lack of a ' in your post. I find it most immersion breaking to see such blatant disregard for the English language and it also disturbs my good humour (Please note I use the English spelling not the American) this morning. :D
 

Winterwalker

Winterwalker
Liqua said:
FD themselves are pretty much to blame for this by teasing us with their ideas.
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DBOBE "can you imagine big game hunting on planets" .. yes I can! In fact I can't get that one out of my head!!

Again though, what's not in yet, doesn't have to detract from what already is right? (and FD do/did have to market the game, from a standing start, that had to be about future stuff) So Commander's; play smart (?), mix it up, don't burn out, stick around, dream of the future, live in the now, journey is the path, patience is a virtue .. and a cook's rolling stone gathers no birds in the broth!
 

Insomnia

Insomnia
Winterwalker said:
Seriously, don't .. what are you grinding "for"? Just an example but I'm fighting a civil war this week in Imperial Eagle. It's not an expensive ship to buy .. and makes the fight a LOT of fun (proper dangerous!)
Profitable too but only "as it happens", creds isn't the driver .. assist on Corvette's is what I live for.

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That's like equipping your high-level character with a spoon and trying to kill a boss with it. Fun for 2 minutes but totally unreasonable. At least for me.

And no, wider isn't deeper. I might go mining as well if I could use those materials to craft something.
 

Insomnia

Insomnia
kofeyh said:
They would be but the same people crying for more content refuse to allow the team to, uhm, well to make that content actually work as intended. Because the game is shallow and doesn't have everything the person wants already.

There is a point where time is needed to do both. That a chunk of the community has literally no patience is quite clearly evident at this point. As long as the new shinys and new stuffs are done straight away who cares if it doesn't work.

Meanwhile, the people who actually play the game and don't sit in the forums just endlessly debating how bad the game is, would like it a lot of the things that exist could just work a little better, please. But I guess that's just subscribing to the shallow and a wrong position because OMG bobble heads before 2.1 - disaster!

You'll excuse me if I find such logic a little difficult to fathom. ;)
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I for one don't care about bobble heads or the story or purpose behind them. I'd never buy those things. And I don't see why you even bring it up in the discussion.
 

Kizbot

Kizbot
Winterwalker said:
Again though, what's not in yet, doesn't have to detract from what already is right? (and FD do/did have to market the game, from a standing start, that had to be about future stuff) So Commander's; play smart (?), mix it up, don't burn out, stick around, dream of the future, live in the now, journey is the path, patience is a virtue .. and a cook's rolling stone gathers no birds in the broth!
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This is essentially everything I was trying to say but you worded it better.
 

kofeyh

kofeyh
Insomnia said:
I for one don't care about bobble heads or the story or purpose behind them. I'd never buy those things. And I don't see why you even bring it up in the discussion.
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Because they are used as an example of where ED is only making bobble heads and that's why 2.1 is delayed. When people start that sort of logic I tend to wonder why they even bring it up in the discussion, but there you go I guess.

Apparently this is more logical and correct, than it simply taking more time to get 2.1 in a usable state than planned. Because why on earth would the developer go to the effort of making things work as planned and intended over just shipping it as soon as people demand?

Oh.
 
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