Can we all Cheer up please?

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I have noticed a trend frequenting these forums of people posting massive threads that list the ways in which this game is boring, buggy or broken compared to other games they have enjoyed in the past. They then receive a wave of responses that boil down to either yes they are right or no the game is not for them/take a break.

They go on to explain that frontier have got it wrong and that the player base is shrinking and we need to have X,Y and Z in the game before it will be fun. It seems to me though that its all gone to Frontiers plan and we have so far received exactly what they intended (bar a few bugs which is expected in any game that is still being developed.)

To my knowledge, there is a 10 year plan for this game that started less than 2 years ago. We got a base game for the cost of a regular game and an alpha release of 1 expansion pack. There is 4 updates planned for this first expansion throughout its 'early access' stage and then when its complete it will in total have added quite a lot of new content to the base game. Over the rest of the 10 year plan they intend to release possibly 8-9 more expansions (seasons) and in there 'early access' stage too so people can get the new content as soon as possible but essentially its not the complete expansion being released until the last update of that season.

The problem seems to be that we are all involved in the early stages of this 10 year development and many seem to be expecting all of those future features now. Thinking about this game in 2 or 3 seasons time, there will be a base game that is addictive enough that it hooks you in. Its one of those games that makes you completely forget about time and is sandbox enough that you choose how to spend it. The ships are Great, combat is solid, all the base ingredients are there to hook you in and make you want more.

People will be able to buy the base game, if they like it they can buy some of the expansions, each one adding a chunk of new things to do. If you really like the game then you wont mind buying extras for a richer game experience. If you don't like it, well you only bought the base game and its not a major loss. As far as I can see this is Frontiers plan and we are just going to have to remember that we are playing a base game that needed to introduce people to the elite universe so that if they liked it, they would buy the expansions too to get the most out of the game. If they continue to add as many features through the rest of the seasons as is promised with this one, then in 3-4 years time this game is going to be very rich in features and content.

So lets play the waiting game, enjoy the game for what it is right now and DON'T burn out on it as it is still in the early stages of a long development plan. Given the options of either wait 5 years before you can start playing a game that is half way through the development plan or wait 0 years and start playing now in a game that is just starting the long development plan I know which I choose.

I welcome all the comments that explain how I am wrong, but please lets just cheer up and enjoy what there is right now. Then put it down, enjoy something else for a while and come back when there is more to do. This game has huge potential, I believe that it will hit most of that potential but jeez, we need to show them some patience while they make it happen.

"Rome wasn't built in a day"

(and they're trying to make a whole freaking universe! :eek:)

The sky is not falling, but the game is very underwhelming in terms of gameplay and should be a lot further along by now (in my opinion).
 
That's like equipping your high-level character with a spoon and trying to kill a boss with it. Fun for 2 minutes but totally unreasonable. At least for me.

Don't knock it until you've tried it Cmdr?
Repair bills are low low price too, so it's very profitable ..
Imperial Eagle "So, Corpse" [inara] has bagged several Cutters and Dropships on it's own. No Anaconda's .. yet.

And no, wider isn't deeper.

Wider is deeper if you consider your own development, as a pilot (imo).
 
Don't knock it until you've tried it Cmdr?
Repair bills are low low price too, so it's very profitable ..
Imperial Eagle "So, Corpse" [inara] has bagged several Cutters and Dropships on it's own. No Anaconda's .. yet.



Wider is deeper if you consider your own development, as a pilot (imo).

"Profitable"..... That shouldn't even be in any equation other than trading imo.

I don't see how your own progress as a skilled pilot have anything to do with the actual depth of the game. So no, wider is still not deeper. :p
 
This is like some sort of meta-complaint thread? Anyway I am looking forward to the next eight years of development, I am so excited for all the new things that will be everything we ever wanted just like Arena and Powerplay.

Besides, has anyone thought about what happens at the end of the 10 year plan? Nothing more to make, nothing more to sell. Elite will be complete for just a little while before the servers are put to sleep. No more money means no more game. Something to look forward to!
 
I hate this game. It makes me want to jump up and down, froth at the mouth and throw things at the cat, the cat hates me, I spend hours doing horrible boring stuff at the computer. I am grinding for the Cutter. When I get it I will Love this game. (and the cat)!
 
"Profitable"..... That shouldn't even be in any equation other than trading imo.

Well, discussion is versus grind .. the same activity also adds combat ranking.
.. and (BGS) system flipping (eg. trying to get a new blackmarket, at station nearest the nav point, at the moment).

I don't see how your own progress as a skilled pilot have anything to do with the actual depth of the game. So no, wider is still not deeper. :p

Because "strategies" .. say, for argument, you can trade in a run-away, an armed ship, exclusively in rares, a local route, a CG trader, PP trader .. but this is only one activity. You can also play the same game, for the same faction, in terms of bounty hunting for them (ignoring wanted ships that are with your favoured faction), pushing its influence with mining missions, pirating opposing factions .. these are "wide" in terms of things to do but add "depth" to your game because each means new strategy for achieving the same goal?
 
I'm perfectly happy with the game and it's future, I trust FD to deliver. Some of us playing the game are original 84'ers, so for me having a game with "Elite" in the title, and a "Braben" at the helm is just pure heaven. In it for the long haul. The way I see it, the more people who become dis-enchanted with the game and move onto another game to complain about, the better the in-game instancing for me in later years... win-win.
 
I'm amazed by how much negativity there is here - and some of it is the most bizarre and confusing negativity I've ever read....

"DEAR FRONTIER, I'm FURIOUS. Your game, which I paid £40 for, has only delivered me 1000 hours of entertainment - that, sir, is shallow and uninteresting and ridiculous at the price - FOUR PENCE per hour?!?!?! Do you think I'm made of money? I could have bought any number of different games with maybe 40-50 hours gameplay instead and paid 200x the price per hour then posted videos of all the bugs on youtube but they would have been funny."

"DEAR FRONTIER, why oh WHY do you make us grind so much? I can't enjoy your game until I have an Imperial Cutter so I've spent 200 hours doing really boring stuff and I'm not enjoying it. Yes I know there's a whole universe to explore and hundreds of missions and stations and factions and varied ways I could be getting there but I've chosen to do it this way and WHY HAVE YOU MADE IT BORING! Then I hear when I get there I can't press up+up+down+down+A+A to let everyone know I'm awesome? Disgraceful!"

Then most oddly "this game sucks why is noone in open? you should all come to open, I've got a hugely overarmed warship I want you to meet then this game would be good"

I'm very chuffed so far. Sure it's not perfect but nothing is, not even fallout3. If people have managed to play so long that they've got bored with so much then that itself would imply they've got pretty good value out of it, but so often it seems bad habits from other games limit people's enjoyment of the freedom which is sad.

Still there are also thread after thread on here full of people who clearly love the game and it's galaxy, who are up to the neck in the story and atmosphere with rich story surrounding their actions - from a reprogrammed chef lovebot to the fuel rats and those organising research and deep space expeditions I bet DB reads some of this and feels immensely, and rightfully, proud of the world they've helped create. They won't want to short change that, it's really something special.
 
I'm amazed by how much negativity there is here - and some of it is the most bizarre and confusing negativity I've ever read....

"DEAR FRONTIER, I'm FURIOUS. Your game, which I paid £40 for, has only delivered me 1000 hours of entertainment - that, sir, is shallow and uninteresting and ridiculous at the price - FOUR PENCE per hour?!?!?! Do you think I'm made of money? I could have bought any number of different games with maybe 40-50 hours gameplay instead and paid 200x the price per hour then posted videos of all the bugs on youtube but they would have been funny."

"DEAR FRONTIER, why oh WHY do you make us grind so much? I can't enjoy your game until I have an Imperial Cutter so I've spent 200 hours doing really boring stuff and I'm not enjoying it. Yes I know there's a whole universe to explore and hundreds of missions and stations and factions and varied ways I could be getting there but I've chosen to do it this way and WHY HAVE YOU MADE IT BORING! Then I hear when I get there I can't press up+up+down+down+A+A to let everyone know I'm awesome? Disgraceful!"

Then most oddly "this game sucks why is noone in open? you should all come to open, I've got a hugely overarmed warship I want you to meet then this game would be good"

I'm very chuffed so far. Sure it's not perfect but nothing is, not even fallout3. If people have managed to play so long that they've got bored with so much then that itself would imply they've got pretty good value out of it, but so often it seems bad habits from other games limit people's enjoyment of the freedom which is sad.

Still there are also thread after thread on here full of people who clearly love the game and it's galaxy, who are up to the neck in the story and atmosphere with rich story surrounding their actions - from a reprogrammed chef lovebot to the fuel rats and those organising research and deep space expeditions I bet DB reads some of this and feels immensely, and rightfully, proud of the world they've helped create. They won't want to short change that, it's really something special.
That genuinely made me LOL!
 
I don't see how your own progress as a skilled pilot have anything to do with the actual depth of the game. So no, wider is still not deeper. :p

Nope, simply because both words can't describe a game, book or movie. I remember reading a thread called 'what is depth in your opinion', it turned out that everyone has a different opinion. I know lots of people who think 'Inception' is a deep movie, in my opinion it's not. Even if we could agree on a universal definition of depth it would still be no measurement of quality. CSS or FIFA are both high quality games which got great critics but both games don't have any depth. Maybe the lack of depth isn't a problem at all. Or maybe the word is just used by people who are too lazy to type what they actually think.
I think the game lacks better mission mechanics, more landable planets, space legs, hireable NPCs and interaction. Would that make the game deeper or wider? Maybe it would just make it a better game and it doesn't matter if you want to call it depth or width.
 
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There is a point where time is needed to do both. That a chunk of the community has literally no patience is quite clearly evident at this point. As long as the new shinys and new stuffs are done straight away who cares if it doesn't work.
Really? Not sure you have actually read the complaint posts then. The majority of the ones I have seen have requested FDev to stop adding stuff before they can sort out the game as it is now. In fact that is the main issue with Elite as far as I can tell - lots of good ideas, implemented in a "bare minimum" way to fulfill the title of the design brief.

Powerplay? Check - although it is a woefully limited "risk in space" side game that is not tied in to the living breathing universe in any fashion
Planetary landings? Check - although you land on pretty much the same dust ball every time, with very little to do
Missions? Check - although half of them don't work, and the other half are either dull or a complete waste of time for anyone that has played more than a week

I could go on, but this is what frustrates some of us, and I count myself as a fan of the game. I want Frontier to put some proper thought into what they implement, don't just do it to check it off a list. The universe they created is amazing, now give us ways to interact with it!
 
Really? Not sure you have actually read the complaint posts then. The majority of the ones I have seen have requested FDev to stop adding stuff before they can sort out the game as it is now. In fact that is the main issue with Elite as far as I can tell - lots of good ideas, implemented in a "bare minimum" way to fulfill the title of the design brief.

Powerplay? Check - although it is a woefully limited "risk in space" side game that is not tied in to the living breathing universe in any fashion
Planetary landings? Check - although you land on pretty much the same dust ball every time, with very little to do
Missions? Check - although half of them don't work, and the other half are either dull or a complete waste of time for anyone that has played more than a week

I could go on, but this is what frustrates some of us, and I count myself as a fan of the game. I want Frontier to put some proper thought into what they implement, don't just do it to check it off a list. The universe they created is amazing, now give us ways to interact with it!

I think that everyone on this forum agrees that missions, powerplay and planetary landings need improvements. If you read the dev comments you'll learn that even Frontier agrees with you.

PS
Community: Frontier, please improve missions, powerplay and planetary landings.
Frontier: We are going to improve missions, powerplay and add more interaction with planets in the next updates.
Community: You got your priorities wrong and you release your features too early, in a bare minimum state!
Frontier: We need more time for the next update because we don't want to release it in a bare minimum state.
Community: You are takinkg too much time with your updates! Are you even working on the game or are you just creating bobbleheads all day long?
 
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