Can we all Cheer up please?

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Last fall, when everyone was trying to figure out what was happening to "Normal" Elite in consequence of the expansion coming out.

Well that's the thing, I remember there being statements confirming continued development of the base game at that time, so again, not sure how you come to that conclusion..

As there has been no update since Horizons released hard to say that the base game isn't getting developed..

Off the top of my head base game will get bookmarks and mission overhaul when 2.1 releases, and maybe more that I or you will be unaware of..

May not be what you particularly want to see but is still development of the base game :)
 
For someone still playing the vanilla Elite on the Xbox... and waiting for 4 months for a patch to fix it, I can see where that's coming from.

If (big if) and when season 2 reaches the Xbox, it'll be nearing the end of season 2 content for you guys on PC with the recent 1.6/2.1 patch being delayed until at least June or July realistically.

Bearing in mind ED was 1 year old on PC when Horizons released.. not that unfair really :)
 
Once engineers are released, you are getting colored lasers, better fsd range and bigger cargo racks. Changing these constants took fdev half year of hard work.

Now imagine, what can they do in year?

*gets the Pink Floyd ready* Dark Side of the Moon, Umma Gumma(the double album set of course) and...hmmm...well, I've got a lot more here, we'll play it by ear after those....

Horizons includes a full season of content, but they were pretty clear up front that it wouldn't be a full season of content AT release of Horizons, so....expectations and reality. Me, I'm the ultimate optimist, I KNOW I'm gonna get bent over at some point, so I'm rarely disappointed and usually pleasantly surprised.
 
Yes, you can. Doesn't mean anything about what I was talking about though.

In a nutshell you would like the game to be at a stage in development that you personally find acceptable. Irrelevant of your particular wants and needs for this game,it's the same argument strewn across the forums and precisely what this thread is about.
Some people can't handle early access. In many ways it's still in beta. If you can't handle that fact and you're not prepared to pay for buggy content,best advice is to wait until FD and the community have ironed out the bugs.
Can't we all cheer up please?
 
In a nutshell you would like the game to be at a stage in development that you personally find acceptable. Irrelevant of your particular wants and needs for this game,it's the same argument strewn across the forums and precisely what this thread is about.
Some people can't handle early access. In many ways it's still in beta. If you can't handle that fact and you're not prepared to pay for buggy content,best advice is to wait until FD and the community have ironed out the bugs.
Can't we all cheer up please?

Again, nothing to do with what I was talking about, or what was going on "by the vocal minority" back in the fall ( which will repeat next fall when it starts all over again ).

Please try not to put words in my mouth, or make assumptions about me in regards to things I wasn't even talking about.

Might be a reason why we "cant" cheer up.
 
OP has just reminded me of some recent rant material - after arriving in a CZ and after carefully selecting my target - a lone Viper MkIV with one shield ring being attacked by an allied ship..So I engaged it..within seconds it destroyed my comrade and almost immediately 2..3..4 other ships appeared from nowhere & lit up on my scanner as they kicked my sorry ass. I ended up chased out on 41% hull, by 6 enemy ships (maybe more!!) having used all 4 of my SCBs and 14 chaff!..all while 4-5 of my allies flew around watching, wondering 'what's so special about that Vulture!?'
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One question..does one ring of an enemy's shield earn me any merits?
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What total ! Oh yes, we should cheer up right? :D...there you go!
 
In a nutshell you would like the game to be at a stage in development that you personally find acceptable. Irrelevant of your particular wants and needs for this game,it's the same argument strewn across the forums and precisely what this thread is about.
Some people can't handle early access. In many ways it's still in beta. If you can't handle that fact and you're not prepared to pay for buggy content,best advice is to wait until FD and the community have ironed out the bugs.
Can't we all cheer up please?
But that is exactly the problem, it's not in early access or beta because they are treating it like a finished released game that they can then develop and sell expansions for. Early access games don't charge you again and again to finish them. You buy the game before it's done and then you get updates till it's finished. By charging for expansions, season passes, dlc or whatever you want to call it Frontier are explicitly confirming that the game you already paid for is finished and complete and you should have gotten your monies worth.
 
I have noticed a trend frequenting these forums of people posting massive threads that list the ways in which this game is boring, buggy or broken compared to other games they have enjoyed in the past. They then receive a wave of responses that boil down to either yes they are right or no the game is not for them/take a break.

They go on to explain that frontier have got it wrong and that the player base is shrinking and we need to have X,Y and Z in the game before it will be fun. It seems to me though that its all gone to Frontiers plan and we have so far received exactly what they intended (bar a few bugs which is expected in any game that is still being developed.)

To my knowledge, there is a 10 year plan for this game that started less than 2 years ago. We got a base game for the cost of a regular game and an alpha release of 1 expansion pack. There is 4 updates planned for this first expansion throughout its 'early access' stage and then when its complete it will in total have added quite a lot of new content to the base game. Over the rest of the 10 year plan they intend to release possibly 8-9 more expansions (seasons) and in there 'early access' stage too so people can get the new content as soon as possible but essentially its not the complete expansion being released until the last update of that season.

The problem seems to be that we are all involved in the early stages of this 10 year development and many seem to be expecting all of those future features now. Thinking about this game in 2 or 3 seasons time, there will be a base game that is addictive enough that it hooks you in. Its one of those games that makes you completely forget about time and is sandbox enough that you choose how to spend it. The ships are Great, combat is solid, all the base ingredients are there to hook you in and make you want more.

People will be able to buy the base game, if they like it they can buy some of the expansions, each one adding a chunk of new things to do. If you really like the game then you wont mind buying extras for a richer game experience. If you don't like it, well you only bought the base game and its not a major loss. As far as I can see this is Frontiers plan and we are just going to have to remember that we are playing a base game that needed to introduce people to the elite universe so that if they liked it, they would buy the expansions too to get the most out of the game. If they continue to add as many features through the rest of the seasons as is promised with this one, then in 3-4 years time this game is going to be very rich in features and content.

So lets play the waiting game, enjoy the game for what it is right now and DON'T burn out on it as it is still in the early stages of a long development plan. Given the options of either wait 5 years before you can start playing a game that is half way through the development plan or wait 0 years and start playing now in a game that is just starting the long development plan I know which I choose.

I welcome all the comments that explain how I am wrong, but please lets just cheer up and enjoy what there is right now. Then put it down, enjoy something else for a while and come back when there is more to do. This game has huge potential, I believe that it will hit most of that potential but jeez, we need to show them some patience while they make it happen.

"Rome wasn't built in a day"

(and they're trying to make a whole freaking universe! :eek:)
Well crafted account with insight, thought and considered opinion. I think fd should employ you as customer relations... Nice to hear this sort of entry and not the usual "boo...this game is cr*p, too hard, need magic win button...moan,moan,moan!" Have some rep ��
 
ED seems to be a game played by pretty clever people with fantastic imaginations... Couple this with a game with, as OP says, massive potential and a forum on which people have a chance of being heard by the Devs and this is what you get....
Most people on this thread, both positive, negative and off-topic are correct in what they say. This game means different things to different people.... Cheer up or chill out?
 
well i haven't played for months. got a call from a great mate. "you on tonite iv rebuilt my setup" yes course mate. well i don't know what they have done in the last update but its amazing my poor old graphics card really entered into the spirit of things. It seemed so smooth playing with my friend was a dream. its really good to have a game where you can just catch up with a mate then go off trading or hunting or mining at no particular pace. hes got dk2 and was loving the latest update. i think FD really care but its a huge game and so much to do and they have to get it right. i was moaning the other day about not playing for a long time because of faults with smuggling from robogo. but i forgot about that after playing last night. love this game if you dont, take some time off! its amazing what a break dose.

blah blah IMMERSION breaKING

Come on thargoids il bite your knees off!!!!!!!!!!
 
But that is exactly the problem, it's not in early access or beta because they are treating it like a finished released game that they can then develop and sell expansions for. Early access games don't charge you again and again to finish them. You buy the game before it's done and then you get updates till it's finished. By charging for expansions, season passes, dlc or whatever you want to call it Frontier are explicitly confirming that the game you already paid for is finished and complete and you should have gotten your monies worth.

And yet it turns out you were mistaken. You may have bought into it with that impression but the content you pay for is yet to be developed.
Its a simple choice going forward.
Imagine playing Skyrim in the same manner,it would have been a very buggy experience,but what a journey! You get to see the game built from the ground up,warts and all and me and others are happy to pay for that experience.
There seems to be a complete disregard by some of the technical achievements made by this team so far.
 
What do you expect, this forum is filled with people complaining that they died to bugs so demand Frontier to refund them 1 hours worth of work, pictures of Asps on moons, Cannon (which is actually ok), PvP is Griefing threads and pretty much just a general circlejerk for self entitled people making Frontier bend the rules for them.
 
And yet it turns out you were mistaken. You may have bought into it with that impression but the content you pay for is yet to be developed.

And yet this is not how it is sold, or advertised, on any level. Elite was pitched based on dreams, very few of which have been realised. Now I would be happy with that if it looked like FDev were planning to do anything about it, yet it seems that basic problems are left for years before they are taken care of. Every single profession is as bare bones as it could be without actually opening up for a lawsuit.

Trading: Find goods cheap, sell expensive. No effect on systems, item availability, nothing. Mine gold til you drop, you won't help a soul. No in game trading computer, no stats, nothing that allows you to be clever.
Pirating: Yeah... basically impossible to make a living from due to either hunting RNG NPC's, or players that may or may not appear next time you swap instances. No pirate routes, no pirate coves to sell you goods in, nothing - just hope you find something that will cover the cost of fuel and repairs.
Bounty Hunting: As above, farm RNG NPC's, or get lucky and find a commander. Want to find a commander from the top 5 board? You need an enormous amount of luck. Want to find NPC's with high rank? Luck. At least it can make you some OK credits if you keep at it.
Exploring: Leave bubble, honk, scan, move on. Rinse repeat until you have seen enough RNG space marbles. No need to plan, no need to do anything challenging, just point and honk.

Now the 2.1 update might well be the turning point for Elite, and I hope it will mark the start of our (admittedly very good looking) galaxy coming to life. I also hope that FDev agree that the core activities of this game are VERY basic, and are willing to make some fundamental changes to add complexity and depth to them. But if they only listen to the "everything is fine" crowd then they will just keep adding meaningless features in the same half baked fashion as they have done to now... Horizons is a prime example of this, literally the absolute bare minimum they could do to claim to have added planetary landings.

TLDR: FDev - stop promising us lots of fancy stuff and get your basic game up to modern standards! That is why many of us are grumpy... I love flying my newly acquired Cutter around, but there is only so long I can do that without starting to wonder what the hell I should do with it... it's like FDev added the ship before adding elements to the galaxy that acknowledge the existence of such ships. To end on a high note: I hope and (optimistically) believe that 2.1 will sort a lot of this :)
 
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And yet it turns out you were mistaken. You may have bought into it with that impression but the content you pay for is yet to be developed.
Its a simple choice going forward.
Imagine playing Skyrim in the same manner,it would have been a very buggy experience,but what a journey! You get to see the game built from the ground up,warts and all and me and others are happy to pay for that experience.
There seems to be a complete disregard by some of the technical achievements made by this team so far.

Technical achievements, yes amazing looking spacery. The best! But gameplay? Come on people...
 
What do you expect, this forum is filled with people complaining that they died to bugs so demand Frontier to refund them 1 hours worth of work.

And that is bad because? If the devs have left bugs in a game for half a year they should not be surprised to find their customers get annoyed by them. This is made even worse by the grindy nature of Elite which means any death by bug will cost you hours, days, or at worst weeks of effort. Most people are OK with dying because they messed up - but dying because you log in to the game suddenly hovering over an outpost with missiles raining down on you is a bit annoying.
 
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