Proposition Of The F63 Condor and the Imperial Fighter In Use On Exploration Vessels.

So a lot of people say that if they can't have a Sidewinder or an Eagle in their ship's hangar for ships they're going to be mad, but I do not see the point in that.

So I have a proposition, that these small fighter ships can find a use in exploration vessels. My idea is that these ships take the place of a planetary vehicle hangar, that the commander can choose whether they want a planetary vehicle hangar or a ship hangar housing these two (possibly other small ships). This would not only give the player more space to store multiple ships or SRV's but also if the F63 Condor and the Imperial Fighter were used in Exploration Vessels they would effectively take the role of the SRV as well.

It is simple, the pod/capsule which the pilot stays in detaches from the ship and becomes an SRV perhaps not like the Scarab as it is rather big and the cockpits of the F63 Condor and the Tie Fighter are quite different than it. So both of them would be their own unique SRV. Of course these vessels would absolutely have to be able to travel in supercruise to reach the mother ship orbiting the planet, but that does not mean that they need to be capable of jumping from system to system. This would essentially make both the F63 Condor and the Imperial Fighter. Smaller versions of the T-47 and the x-wing I'm sorry the Sidewinder and the Eagle could certainly be envisioned for this purpose as well.

While we are on the topic of Exploration, let me also voice my opinion that the Advanced Discovery Scanner and potentially the detailed discovery scanner should be repurposed in the utility mount of a ship. When the Advanced Discovery Scanner is deployed it counts as deploying a hardpoint. If the Detailed Discovery Scanner and the Advanced Discovery Scanner were to take the place of utility slots, every ship could be fully outfitted for exploration purposes.
 
I think there are two types of storage, SRV's and Fighters /shuttles. The fighter need to get in and out during flight, so the access will be different. However I'm looking forward to the small fighters, one guy suggested that the sidewinder could be on top of the T7 :D that was a cool idea, because the T7 really is missing some kind of advantage.
 
I think there are two types of storage, SRV's and Fighters /shuttles. The fighter need to get in and out during flight, so the access will be different. However I'm looking forward to the small fighters, one guy suggested that the sidewinder could be on top of the T7 :D that was a cool idea, because the T7 really is missing some kind of advantage.

This is not a suggestion about the ship hangar itself, it is a suggestion about the role of the F63 Condor and the Imperial Fighter to be potentially multi-purposed AS SRV's. Speaking of which there are large oceans on Earth Like Worlds (and Water Worlds) a type of amphibious SRV might be appropriate for exploring these oceanic depths.
 
Cool idea, raises the question - do you even need an SRV? Maybe for a data link scanner, but other than that, Frawd Digger showed us you can scoop surface materials without an SRV. Choose between an SRV and a fighter and do your thing. Does that mean that any ship that can hold an SRV can also hold a fighter? Maybe we need a ship that is just an escape pod with just instruments and a single-jump FSD to rendezvous with your rescue. If you make it out you can save your exploration data and your missions, etc.
 
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Im pretty sure that the fighters can only go into certain ships that have hangar doors and should be able to combine with srv hangars. Also no way of using them for exploration, besides them not having super cruise capability they also do not have the ability to carry discovery scanners so... thats a problem.
 
Im pretty sure that the fighters can only go into certain ships that have hangar doors and should be able to combine with srv hangars. Also no way of using them for exploration, besides them not having super cruise capability they also do not have the ability to carry discovery scanners so... thats a problem.

I'm not saying to use the Imperial Fighters, or F63 Condors should be USED as exploration vessels themselves. I am saying that they should be of more use to the actual vessels that are conducting exploration and are thus the ones carrying the Advanced Discovery Scanners. Say you have that Anaconda that you spent nearly half a billion on. You're going to have difficulties landing on planets, particularly planets with high g's. These ships would also add much needed diversity to the SRV roster.

Also saying that F63 Condor's can not go into supercruise is... not entirely true...


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As an explorer I would like to see ship hangars usable so I will try to restrict my comments to constructive. That being said if in a multi million anaconda that wants to land on a planet your best bet is invest in thrusters not a dropship*, simply landing on a planet right now there is nothing to do anyways though. I would rather they invest time in creating more modules to use on the surface. As far as supercruise to the best of my knowledge that is a bug not a featurehence why imperials arent doing it too and neither have an FSD. However even if that doesnt matter remember to add in the planetary landing suite oh and a cargo hold. The problem Im seeing is beside the cool factor there is no reason to land on a planet with small ships as all the weight of a fighter will add up to those of thrusters.

*dropship: how cool would that be a little ship with a cargo hold and srv to go collect samples on the surface
 
I expect that the Anaconda will be capable of carrying a Sidewinder... it says so in the ship description so I'll be disappointed if that isn't the case. If the Anaconda can carry a Sidewinder and the Sidewinder can carry an SRV... I'll have everything I need for extended exploration.

Whatever ships we happen to get to carry in our bigger ships... it will be interesting to see how the relationship works between mothership and fighter. If the mothership has an auto-field repair module... will it be able to perform repairs on the smaller ship?
 
I do plan to go exploring in Conda with a Condor packed in once thats available, flying on planet surface with that little thing should be great fun. But I don't think you can put a SRV in a Condor, its a bit too small for that I think. Not sure about the Disco scanner, also not sure why I should want the disco scanner in the Condor to begin with theres more then enough space for it in the Conda.

And I don't think the Condor or Imp Fighter have a FSD to begin with, that Picture with one in SC is probably just a Bug.
 
It is simple, the pod/capsule which the pilot stays in detaches from the ship and becomes an SRV

I don't quite understand your suggestion, it seems you want the two fighters to be some sort of transformer ships turning from ship to ground vehicle. I don't think that is possible currently. FDEV are building a very realistic game when it comes to the geometry of vehicles, that's why we have bay doors which open, landing gear which extends, hardpoints which retract, radiator panels which open and close, SRV suspension which works etc. All that is missing are windshield wipers really. This is why I don't see the fighters transforming any time soon, because modifying the game assets to have them moving geometry and deploy wheels and such is very hard.

I'm all for some sort of exploration variants of the two ships though. Remove their weapons and mount all sorts of scanners on them, which are fixed and cannot be unequipped (data link scanner, detailed surface scanner etc.). Maybe a gun would still be needed to blow up rocks, if that mechanic is to stay. Players can choose to equip the fighter or the exploration variant when they buy the fighter hangar.
 
I do plan to go exploring in Conda with a Condor packed in once thats available, flying on planet surface with that little thing should be great fun. But I don't think you can put a SRV in a Condor, its a bit too small for that I think. Not sure about the Disco scanner, also not sure why I should want the disco scanner in the Condor to begin with theres more then enough space for it in the Conda.

And I don't think the Condor or Imp Fighter have a FSD to begin with, that Picture with one in SC is probably just a Bug.

The smallest ships in the main game have size 2 frame shift drives
That leaves it possible for the F63 and ISRF to have size 1 FSD, which might be limited to SC only and have no Jump capability.

Lack of Jump capability could explain why the Eagle is a "long Range" Fighter and the F63 and ISRF are "Short Range" Fighters
 
I actually like the idea.

One of the issues of the SRV is that it drives around on wheels, which is not exactly practical to cover wide distances.

An "Explorer" type condor can be fitted with mechanical arms to collect materials as well as special surface sensors to detect them and can use the same hydrogen fuel that the mothership uses.
 
I do plan to go exploring in Conda with a Condor packed in once thats available, flying on planet surface with that little thing should be great fun. But I don't think you can put a SRV in a Condor, its a bit too small for that I think. Not sure about the Disco scanner, also not sure why I should want the disco scanner in the Condor to begin with theres more then enough space for it in the Conda.

And I don't think the Condor or Imp Fighter have a FSD to begin with, that Picture with one in SC is probably just a Bug.

The Condor and Imp Fighter have size 1 FSD drives that gives them SC capabilities, they just can't jump to other systems. How do these fighters get to combat zones if they have no FSD drive. Would take them years to get to some of them.

Regarding the OP, yeah I would like to see some exploration ideas for the fighter ships as well.
 
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I don't quite understand your suggestion, it seems you want the two fighters to be some sort of transformer ships turning from ship to ground vehicle. I don't think that is possible currently. FDEV are building a very realistic game when it comes to the geometry of vehicles, that's why we have bay doors which open, landing gear which extends, hardpoints which retract, radiator panels which open and close, SRV suspension which works etc. All that is missing are windshield wipers really. This is why I don't see the fighters transforming any time soon, because modifying the game assets to have them moving geometry and deploy wheels and such is very hard.

I'm all for some sort of exploration variants of the two ships though. Remove their weapons and mount all sorts of scanners on them, which are fixed and cannot be unequipped (data link scanner, detailed surface scanner etc.). Maybe a gun would still be needed to blow up rocks, if that mechanic is to stay. Players can choose to equip the fighter or the exploration variant when they buy the fighter hangar.

I don't want the fighters themselves to transform like a 'transformer' would, I'm imagining just the cockpit area of the ship detaching from the ship itself, it's actually not that hard to imagine really. Might be difficult to program or animate but I wouldn't know any of that. The game is set 1,300 years in the future Weps, that's enough time as far as I'm concerned it's easily within the realm of possibility especially since we have flying cars today. I'm not asking them to change the whole design, just to detach the cockpit area. Which would then reveal itself to be something akin to an SRV (not the scarab type though)

They get taken there in larger ships.

Okay, say that a Faragut Battlecruiser is ambushed by the Empire, the Faragut blows up but the F63 Condor's that were fighting are now stranded in the middle of space, they can't hitch a ride with the empire or they'll be captured or killed, so what's left? Just for them to stay out in space and die? Or someone could install a cheap FSD on one of them so that the pilots actually might be able to make it to a station or a planetary base to inform someone of the incident, or if nothing else, to remain alive.

I actually like the idea.

One of the issues of the SRV is that it drives around on wheels, which is not exactly practical to cover wide distances.

An "Explorer" type condor can be fitted with mechanical arms to collect materials as well as special surface sensors to detect them and can use the same hydrogen fuel that the mothership uses.

The Condor and Imp Fighter have size 1 FSD drives that gives them SC capabilities, they just can't jump to other systems. How do these fighters get to combat zones if they have no FSD drive. Would take them years to get to some of them.

Regarding the OP, yeah I would like to see some exploration ideas for the fighter ships as well.

I'm glad both of you like the idea! And I think the only way for a Fighter ship to refuel such as the Condor or the Imperial fighter should only be by linking up with the mother ship.

I expect that the Anaconda will be capable of carrying a Sidewinder... it says so in the ship description so I'll be disappointed if that isn't the case. If the Anaconda can carry a Sidewinder and the Sidewinder can carry an SRV... I'll have everything I need for extended exploration.

Whatever ships we happen to get to carry in our bigger ships... it will be interesting to see how the relationship works between mothership and fighter. If the mothership has an auto-field repair module... will it be able to perform repairs on the smaller ship?

It does say it could carry a sidewinder, but which would you prefer? Just the one sidewinder? Or 4 F63 Condors? Maybe even 8 if they allow you to swap out the planetary vehicle hangar for the fighter hangar (on ships that already have the fighter hangar). The Condor's and the Tie fighters are quite small ships after all, and could probably be stacked.

As for the AFM unit on the mother ship? I always imagined that to act in the same fashion as the DRD's did in Farscape, it's the only way I can really explain how it can repair modules on different parts of the ship. So in short, I would believe so.
 
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From what I believe was told the fighters wont be able to carry an SRV. Which is a shame, because thats one of the things I was looking forward to most with that update. :(
 
From what I believe was told the fighters wont be able to carry an SRV. Which is a shame, because thats one of the things I was looking forward to most with that update. :(

Right, and I know they don't have the size to fit an srv the conventional way, ESPECIALLY not the Imperial Fighter, which is why I'm proposing this rather unorthodox method. It would combine the SRV and the smaller fighter ships into one! Which would then make it possible even for the Imperial Fighter to supplement the SRV with it's own cockpit area. And for all those saying that this 'isn't' technological, let me remind you that we are capable now of travelling 80 light years in less than a single minute.
 
Well, the wikia claims the Imp fighter has max 4t cargo, so if thats a c2 slot it might work. Its indeed a tiny ship at only 3m length, but I think the reason they wont have an SRV is because the devs dont want it, for some gameplay reason. We'll see though, any solution like yours sounds interesting to me.
 
Well, the wikia claims the Imp fighter has max 4t cargo, so if thats a c2 slot it might work. Its indeed a tiny ship at only 3m length, but I think the reason they wont have an SRV is because the devs dont want it, for some gameplay reason. We'll see though, any solution like yours sounds interesting to me.

For the Imperial Fighter the problem with 'loading' a srv into it would not only be it's size but also it's shape. (see image in spoiler) It would be nigh impossible to fit a scarab into it (the condor although having more girth to it is also in the same trouble due to how thin it is. That's why the only reasonable way I could think of to allot these ships more versatility and at the same time adding diversity to the SRV collection. Would be to detach the cockpit itself and have the SRV take it's legs out of the more 'bulky' parts of those ships. (no idea what you would call them, the Cicada (for the Condor's) and the 'Firefley' (for the Imperial fighter?)

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