Heat sinks right now are appalling

Can I just say how funny it is that there are 4 pages with passionate debate over heatsinks.

Just. I <3 you guys that's a pretty good effort.
 
No, FTL travel is an impossibility. Seriously. All of this is just for fun.

FTL transmissions of data already happens daily. Mass isn't far behind, we've been getting some good hints on how to do it lately.

Yay Science.

http://phys.org/news/2014-07-scientists-quantum-entanglement-amplified.html

As for mass, just refresh your memory on what the Higgs Boson is and what it's confirmed existence implies. People are still studying it's possible applications, so you won't find much written on it regarding FTL travel. It is a good candidate for an Alcubierre drive though.
 
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FTL transmissions of data already happens daily. Mass isn't far behind, we've been getting some good hints on how to do it lately.

Yay Science.

http://phys.org/news/2014-07-scientists-quantum-entanglement-amplified.html

As for mass, just refresh your memory on what the Higgs Boson is and what it's confirmed existence implies. People are still studying it's possible applications, so you won't find much written on it regarding FTL travel. It is a good candidate for an Alcubierre drive though.

What do you mean FTL than light transfer data? If you mean quantum entanglement, then it doesn't work the same as no information is sent. Sorry if you didn't mean that.
 
What do you mean FTL than light transfer data? If you mean quantum entanglement, then it doesn't work the same as no information is sent. Sorry if you didn't mean that.

Information is sent. Quantum entanglement transmits information perfectly. It is, after all, the crux of the huge amount of interest behind it's study.

Because it literally is a perfect transmission of information. If the information is intercepted, corrupted or lost the entanglement is broken. So even when the desired data isn't transmitted, you always receive the 100% reliable information that it was not transmitted.

Seeing is believing right?

dn26111-1_1200.jpg


https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1401/1401.4318.pdf

There. That's the simplest example I can be bothered to dig up.
 
Information is sent. Quantum entanglement transmits information perfectly. It is, after all, the crux of the huge amount of interest behind it's study.

Because it literally is a perfect transmission of information. If the information is intercepted, corrupted or lost the entanglement is broken. So even when the desired data isn't transmitted, you always receive the 100% reliable information that it was not transmitted.

Seeing is believing right?

http://www.iflscience.com/sites/www...c/blog/[nid]/dn26111-1_1200.jpg?itok=_n5816EB

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1401/1401.4318.pdf

There. That's the simplest example I can be bothered to dig up.

I'll read that now, but my understanding was that once you observe one of a pair in one state, by inferring, you then know the state of the other, thus no data has travelled. I'll be be honest, I don't know.
 
I'll read that now, but my understanding was that once you observe one of a pair in one state, by inferring, you then know the state of the other, thus no data has travelled. I'll be be honest, I don't know.
Yup, you're not wrong there but also when you then change the state of one the other changes at exactly the same time - that's when the information gets transmitted

the cat silhouette was inspired
 
I'll read that now, but my understanding was that once you observe one of a pair in one state, by inferring, you then know the state of the other, thus no data has travelled. I'll be be honest, I don't know.

The opposite. You've had a dyslexic moment. If you know the state of the other particle, which could be anywhere else in the universe, you have observed that other particle without receiving information from it directly, thus the information contained in that particle has been immediately transmitted to you faster than the speed of light.

Scientists are really pushing quantum entanglement. It has a lot of practical uses.

Here's some heavier reading.

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1506/1506.04231.pdf
 
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Yup, you're not wrong there but also when you then change the state of one the other changes at exactly the same time - that's when the information gets transmitted

the cat silhouette was inspired

But they exist it all states until viewed thus the information is transfered by you, not faster than the speed of light?

Windowscreen smudge that PDF won't open on my phone so will take a look tomorrow, thanks.
 
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But they exist it all states until viewed thus the information is transfered by you, not faster than the speed of light?

Windowscreen smudge that PDF won't open on my phone so will take a look tomorrow, thanks.

What about the distance between the particles? They can be anywhere. Scientists have been having fun running experiments with them between China and the United States, sending the entangled photons across the pacific over fiber optic lines and then studying the effects experiments on one side or the other of the pacific has on it's counterpart.
 
What about the distance between the particles? They can be anywhere. Scientists have been having fun running experiments with them between China and the United States, sending the entangled photons across the pacific over fiber optic lines and then studying the effects experiments on one side or the other of the pacific has on it's counterpart.

Yes but data (communication) was sent via the internet, not FTL.

This sort of explains my basic knowledge of it

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/ab...-faster-than-light-communication-intermediate
 
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She's still under the assumption that there hasn't been an accurate Bell test done that couldn't have had a plausible error caused by other phenomena.

The hidden variables theory fails, however, when we consider measurements of the spin of entangled particles along different axes (for example, along any of three axes which make angles of 120 degrees). If a large number of pairs of such measurements are made (on a large number of pairs of entangled particles), then statistically, if the local realist or hidden variables view were correct, the results would always satisfy Bell's inequality. A number of experiments have shown in practice that Bell's inequality is not satisfied. However, all experiments have loophole problems. When measurements of the entangled particles are made in moving relativistic reference frames, in which each measurement (in its own relativistic time frame) occurs before the other, the measurement results remain correlated.

The fundamental issue about measuring spin along different axes is that these measurements cannot have definite values at the same time―they are incompatible in the sense that these measurements' maximum simultaneous precision is constrained by the uncertainty principle. This is contrary to what is found in classical physics, where any number of properties can be measured simultaneously with arbitrary accuracy. It has been proven mathematically that compatible measurements cannot show Bell-inequality-violating correlations, and thus entanglement is a fundamentally non-classical phenomenon.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell's_theorem


http://arxiv.org/pdf/1508.05949v1.pdf

Since you're on your phone here's a simple video about that article. Sorry about the obnoxious music, I can't be responsible for what Dutch Nerds find appropriate to post on Youtube.

[video=youtube_share;AE8MaQJkRcg]https://youtu.be/AE8MaQJkRcg[/video]
 
She's still under the assumption that there hasn't been an accurate Bell test done that couldn't have had a plausible error caused by other phenomena.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell's_theorem


http://arxiv.org/pdf/1508.05949v1.pdf

Since you're on your phone here's a simple video about that article. Sorry about the obnoxious music, I can't be responsible for what Dutch Nerds find appropriate to post on Youtube.

https://youtu.be/AE8MaQJkRcg

All I learned from that is the universe is conclusively weird :) Must learn more then, thanks again, I'm out on this one then.
 
I don't want to complain

But... Have some constructive criticism:

EDIT: it doesn't cool you down to 0 kelvin, as pointed out below. My point doesn't change, so please don't talk about the current temperature in the comments correcting me.

So right now, to purge heat you fire out shrapnel or pieces of metal into space. Sure, it works fine. It uses power? Surely this wouldn't be mechanical or only uses a minute amount of power to flick a switch? It's not like it uses any more than an LED light to release a piece of metal?

Power aside, heat sinks reduce your heat to 0%. I don't think this is acceptable. 0% heat is close to absolute 0 (I assume) but your modules are always producing heat from the reactor, so reaching anywhere near absolute 0 is not possible.

Next thing for me to complain about is the module itself. Launching metal/material into space is not very good or efficient heat dispersal. Animals like elephants have a VERY low surface area to volume ratio, which means elephants build up heat extremely quickly. The same goes for large ships (hence why Capital Ships have special modules to keep them cool). An elephant has large ears (not to hear stuff) to disperse their heat. A ship in elite dangerous in this year should be waaaaaay past launching heatsinks. We need a deployable module which opens up a very large, foldable radiator unit. A large panel with strips of metal running from top to bottom which can be deployed and retracted at will. The rods are for more surface area (heat dispersal).

Another suggestion would be to fit a utility mount with a corrugated metal panel. This makes the ship look a lot nicer whilst still managing to disperse heat.

Deploying a foldable radiator module should reduce heating effects by 20%. If you would be on 100% heat for whatever reason, then you deploy this, it goes down to 80%.

The small panel should only decrease it by 10%, being considerably smaller. These modules also don't require ammo, this being cost efficient as well as realistic.

Idea inspired by Kerbal Space Program and life on earth.

Feedback would be appreciated, thank you - have a nice day

You seem to have missed a cruicial point or two within the game, OP. Firstly when you use the heatsink function the game states "purging coolant". This infers that either a fluid or a gas containing a bunch of engine heat is being pumped out (that's what purging means in this context). It stands to reason that cool, fresh, new coolant is also being pumped in. That explains why it doesn't happen immediatley, and why it makes the noises it does.

Don't get too hung up on the name, it's not a heatsink in the sense of a metalic object clamped to the engine, the way a cpu has a heatsink, it's just a slang term for it, same as "silent running" also doesn't do what the name infers that it should (it just closes the radiator covers allowing heat to build up instead of being disbursed, rather than reducing the heat created by disabling modules). The heatsink it ejects is actually a tank of super hot coolant, so the designers don't care that space is a poor thermal conductor... they only care that they've quickly flushed the system out and removed the hot coolant from the ship. Why is it in a tank and not just squirted out a nozzle? Who knows, maybe it's corrosive?

Finally you'll note the scale says zero PERCENT, not zero DEGREES. This is a non-defined scale which simply implies that the engine's cooling system is currently storing zero percent of it's total safe heat storage capacity while offering no information as to what temperature various bits of the ship are actually running at (other than the canopy which is of course exposed to space). That's why when it goes over 100 you start taking heat damage. It can't be degrees (celsius or kelvin) as it'd be ludicrous to suggest that the engine gets damaged when barely hot enough to boil an egg.

There's a bunch of suspension of disbelief required here... space radiators? Uhh... no... space doesn't conduct. Perhaps they convert heat to light? Glass canopies on space ships in the 33rd century? We already have the technology today to have external cameras on the ship and line the cabin with monitors, why would they include the weak spot of a glass canopy that shatters and freezes up? Why these and many other inconsistencies? Because game, that's why. Same reason as iron man can fly from little energy pads in his hands and feet, spiderman can shoot webs, and a pair of glasses prevents the entire world identifying clark kent as superman.
 
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What about the distance between the particles? They can be anywhere. Scientists have been having fun running experiments with them between China and the United States, sending the entangled photons across the pacific over fiber optic lines and then studying the effects experiments on one side or the other of the pacific has on it's counterpart.

Sorry, but all this is bunkum. The articles aren't, don't misunderstand me, but the idea that this implies FTL communication is. It's a fundamental law of the universe that no information can be transmitted FTL. Any amount of you or anyone else wanting it otherwise don't make it so. When you instantaneously change the state of a particle via entanglement, you have to find out by other means (sub-FTL) what the state of the _other_ entangled particle is to be able to tell what the state of the _first_ entangled particle is. This is inescapable, and a picture of an entangled cat doesn't change it.

Not necessarily saying that FTL is and will always be impossible, because you can't say absolutes in science. But _nothing_ indicates anything else. If you can find, in a peer reviewed article, where someone is saying something else, then fine, show me. Physorg and arxiv don't cut it (also, the articles you posted didn't say anything about FTL information transfer anyway). I also read the recent Nature article about the loophole-free Bell test and surprise, no mention of FTL information transfer there either.
 
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Sorry, but all this is bunkum. The articles aren't, don't misunderstand me, but the idea that this implies FTL communication is. It's a fundamental law of the universe that no information can be transmitted FTL. Any amount of you or anyone else wanting it otherwise don't make it so. When you instantaneously change the state of a particle via entanglement, you have to find out by other means (sub-FTL) what the state of the _other_ entangled particle is to be able to tell what the state of the _first_ entangled particle is. This is inescapable, and a picture of an entangled cat doesn't change it.

Not necessarily saying that FTL is and will always be impossible, because you can't say absolutes in science. But _nothing_ indicates anything else. If you can find, in a peer reviewed article, where someone is saying something else, then fine, show me. Physorg and arxiv don't cut it (also, the articles you posted didn't say anything about FTL information transfer anyway). I also read the recent Nature article about the loophole-free Bell test and surprise, no mention of FTL information transfer there either.


Nope. It's a "fundamental law" of classical physics. Quantum physics gives plenty of options to break that rule. The last paper I linked was a successful test proving it. Read up.

An unsuccessful, loophole-free Bell Test IS FTL transmission of information. The test was designed to debunk the idea that it was possible because proponents of Einstein's theory of relativity didn't like entanglement being predicted in it any more than he did. Instead of being used to prove that quantum entanglement doesn't allow FTL transmission of information, it's been used to do the exact opposite time and time again. People still refused to believe it and kept denouncing the failed Bell tests as being flawed, with only hypothetical guesses as to why the experiment could possibly be flawed, until within the last decade or so people started closing the loopholes and got the same results.

The "Fundamental Law" that you're thinking of? It's not actually a law. There's no hard science or mathematics to disprove the use of quantum entanglement for FTL transmission. Everybody has just been riding on Einsteins assumptive oral statement that it shouldn't be possible, which was never investigated in detail by him.
 
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Nope. It's a "fundamental law" of classical physics. Quantum physics gives plenty of options to break that rule. The last paper I linked was a successful test proving it. Read up.

An unsuccessful, loophole-free Bell Test IS FTL transmission of information. The test was designed to debunk the idea that it was possible because proponents of Einstein's theory of relativity didn't like entanglement being predicted in it any more than he did. Instead of being used to prove that quantum entanglement doesn't allow FTL transmission of information, it's been used to do the exact opposite time and time again. People still refused to believe it and kept denouncing the failed Bell tests as being flawed, with only hypothetical guesses as to why the experiment could possibly be flawed, until within the last decade or so people started closing the loopholes and got the same results.

The "Fundamental Law" that you're thinking of? It's not actually a law. There's no hard science or mathematics to disprove the use of quantum entanglement for FTL transmission. Everybody has just been riding on Einsteins assumptive oral statement that it shouldn't be possible, which was never investigated in detail by him.

Better to cite the peer-reviewed final published version of a paper than the arxiv one, though I get that you did that because arxiv is free to access: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v526/n7575/abs/nature15759.html

But the point is, the violation of the Bell inequality does not imply FTL communication! COMMUNICATION! Something might have gotten there FTL, but you can't know without interrogating it with sub-FTL methods. And you almost certainly never will be able to, either.

As for my fundamental rule being 'classical physics': That is just not true. Classical physics has nothing to say about FTL travel. Quantum physics is an incomplete description of the universe, the incompleteness of which leads to these kinds of wrong conclusions. We know this and have done for ages; unifying quantum physics and relativity is one of the biggest challenges in theoretical physics. Observing violation of the Bell inequality is a demonstration of this, not that FTL communication is possible.

Entanglement has been known about for ages and we're getting to the point of using it for security, because you can't tamper with one end without it being evident at the other. But, while that part happens FTL, it is simply not the case that you choose the spin of one electron and its entangled friend over the road has the other spin. You don't get to choose, is the point. If you do spin filter the electrons, you break any entanglement. Random initial spin is part of entanglement. So you send a list of the measured spins along with your message, and the guy at the other end checks that his spins were opposite, and if so he knows the message is secure. But you SENT THE INFORMATION using sub-FTL methods, because there simply isn't any other way.
 
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