Can we all Cheer up please?

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Ahh, but in ED, Having the cash is just the first hurdle. There's the pointless rep hurdle to.

It's like in real life, Mark Zuckerberg rolls up to the Bugatti dealer, and flops a briefcase with $1.5m dollars on the dealers desk, and says, hey I'll take one..

The dealer turns around and says.. You're kidding mate, no chance. First you have to sit there and embroider 12.5 million pocket squares with intricate images from the Bayeux Tapestry; to raise reputation....

Imagine how he'd feel...

Wouldn't he just walk in and out of the building repeatedly, asking the dealer if he wants some 'donations'?
 
Indeed, honestly its probably better for the 2 "sides" to ignore each other at this point, Those who are happy with ED and those who want to call for change just don't agree and they're not going to convince each other that they're right, it would be nice if they could leave each other to discuss their position among like minded individuals but what are the chances of that happening :p

And again: that is not the division line. 'The Complainers' tend to present it as if they are the one Fighting For Improvement, whereas 'The Satisfied' are begging FD to stop development. Thats obviously not true. One thing I find annoying is that people use the internet to do things they fully well know have no place in a civilised society. If there is a convention about this or that in town, nobody in their right mind goes there just to hang around all day and mock the other visitors:"Ha, comic books are stupid and for babies!!!". Sane people who dont like comic books just dont go to that convention. Sane people who bought a comic book they dont like dont keep showing up at the convention year after year complaining they didnt like that comic book. 'Leaving negative feedback' is fine. Posting suggestions or ideas is fine. Just going around endlessly posting quippy one-liners about how dumb everything is is not fine. One can do it, but its a sign of being a not-so-nice person. When you notice someone is having fun, its rather rude to go over there and try to explain them they should feel miserable. The above is in general, not aiming it specifically at you.

But as for your '10-year plan grinds my gears': at the end of the day reality is what it is. ED is doing things never succesfully done before. The scope is massive. Yes, it is easy to think of improvements, but these things do take time. Derek Smart tried and failed miserably. Chris Roberts is trying (in the way many 'complainers' want: lots of interaction and focussing on 'core issues') and currently failing spectacularly. ED is the only one that tried and got the foundation working solidly, on schedule and within budget. Would it be nice to have progress come faster? Sure. But this just happens to be the best our species can do. And I find it odd that people keep repeating 'there hasnt been any progress in months' when they know full well there is a major patch incoming. Its every bit as inane as complaining 'its been nine months since we had a summer, I've given up hope it'll ever arrive again'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18AzodTPG5U

And yes, ignoring is the easiest solution, and luckily this forum provides that option. Every so often I remove some people from the ignore list and check their recent post history. 9/10 times its three times "lol dis game dumb!!!!!", and back they go. :)
 
Ahh, but in ED, Having the cash is just the first hurdle. There's the pointless rep hurdle to.

It's like in real life, Mark Zuckerberg rolls up to the Bugatti dealer, and flops a briefcase with $1.5m dollars on the dealers desk, and says, hey I'll take one..

The dealer turns around and says.. You're kidding mate, no chance. First you have to sit there and embroider 12.5 million pocket squares with intricate images from the Bayeux Tapestry; to raise reputation....

Imagine how he'd feel...

Seriously? You are going to post in every topic you want your cutter to be easier to get? :) Anyway, imagine Mark Zuckerberg rolls up to the pentagon and says: "Hey, gimme that high-end military equipment, I've got the cash right here!" What do you think he'll get as a reply? And without analogies: you are not the only guy playing this game. Some play more, some play less. People who play a lot need to have something to strive for. That is currently the Cutter, or having Rank 5 in pp. Just because you cant or wont play that much, and dont have the patience for it either, you want the game to be changed. Thats every bit as absurd as demanding the mount Everest is reduced in height because you 'dont have that much time for practicing rock-climbing, I have a life you know!'. Fine, climb smaller mountains, leave the Mount Everest for people who spend more time on it.
 
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I am sitting here reflecting after reading more of this thread and think back to other MMO's. I love (sarcasm) their specially placed out baddies dotted across the landscape as if its anything like that outside of these games. Yes ED has its NPC's however the programming is great, they are intelligent and respond accordingly. They do not stay in one place, you dont have to dodge them like so many other NPC's. Just another reason why I like ED so much.
 
Seriously? You are going to post in every topic you want your cutter to be easier to get? :) Anyway, imagine Mark Zuckerberg rolls up to the pentagon and says: "Hey, gimme that high-end military equipment, I've got the cash right here!" What do you think he'll get as a reply? And without analogies: you are not the only guy playing this game. Some play more, some play less. People who play a lot need to have something to strive for. That is currently the Cutter, or having Rank 5 in pp. Just because you cant or wont play that much, and dont have the patience for it either, you want the game to be changed. Thats every bit as absurd as demanding the mount Everest is reduced in height because you 'dont have that much time for practicing rock-climbing, I have a life you know!'. Fine, climb smaller mountains, leave the Mount Everest for people who spend more time on it.

You know that even Barack Obama wouldn't be able to purchase an Abrams tank, or F-22 Raptor for personal day to day use?

In any case when something is so absurd, and unimaginatively pointless, you have to make noise about it. So, indeed whilst protesting against something or expressing views on a particular unnecessary aspect of the game, I'll bring the topic up from time to time, pertaining to the relevance of the thread. I'm not complaining about anything else, the rest of the game is amazing.

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Seriously? You are going to post in every topic you want your cutter to be easier to get? :) Anyway, imagine Mark Zuckerberg rolls up to the pentagon and says: "Hey, gimme that high-end military equipment, I've got the cash right here!" What do you think he'll get as a reply? And without analogies: you are not the only guy playing this game. Some play more, some play less. People who play a lot need to have something to strive for. That is currently the Cutter, or having Rank 5 in pp. Just because you cant or wont play that much, and dont have the patience for it either, you want the game to be changed. Thats every bit as absurd as demanding the mount Everest is reduced in height because you 'dont have that much time for practicing rock-climbing, I have a life you know!'. Fine, climb smaller mountains, leave the Mount Everest for people who spend more time on it.

To be fair, Zuckerberg probably does have the cash to get his mitts on military hardware if he wanted to. Money breaks down a hell of a lot of barriers.
 
You know that even Barack Obama wouldn't be able to purchase an Abrams tank, or F-22 Raptor for personal day to day use?

In any case when something is so absurd, and unimaginatively pointless, you have to make noise about it. So, indeed whilst protesting against something or expressing views on a particular unnecessary aspect of the game, I'll bring the topic up from time to time, pertaining to the relevance of the thread. I'm not complaining about anything else, the rest of the game is amazing.

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With money, he would eventually be able to purchase everything. He would just have to pay extra. Which is real and makes sense. Get cutter in a legit way, pay 100%. Shady, nonrep way, pay 200%.
 
Seriously? You are going to post in every topic you want your cutter to be easier to get?
I would wish they'd make the Cutter possible to get without the rank grinding attached. Charge me double the price for being filthy independent scum, but at least give me some way to get it.

It's the first Imperial Boat I like the looks of.

In other analogy terms, double the size of Mount Everest.
 
You know that even Barack Obama wouldn't be able to purchase an Abrams tank, or F-22 Raptor for personal day to day use?


Alright, thats it, I am officially stepping out of the race!

In any case when something is so absurd, and unimaginatively pointless, you have to make noise about it. So, indeed whilst protesting against something or expressing views on a particular unnecessary aspect of the game, I'll bring the topic up from time to time, pertaining to the relevance of the thread. I'm not complaining about anything else, the rest of the game is amazing.[hotas]

But why is it fair that the maximum ammount of effort that will be rewarded in ED should be specifically the ammount of effort you are willing to invest? Isn't that unfair to those who invest more effort, to be gimped just because you feel left-out otherwise? And what about those that cannot invest as much as you do? If we reduce 'the grind' to your preferred level these poor souls are still left out. Wouldn't it be fair to just give everyone a Cutter from the start?

On a brighter note: FD has stated they want to add military missions to aid in rank progression, so that might be a solution for you. :)

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I would wish they'd make the Cutter possible to get without the rank grinding attached. Charge me double the price for being filthy independent scum, but at least give me some way to get it.

It's the first Imperial Boat I like the looks of.

In other analogy terms, double the size of Mount Everest.

I guess there'll be some such CG at some point. If they just remove the requirement for a week again then the ammount of rage from the Imps here would be deafening. :p I dont have any imp rank, so until something happens I wont have the Cutter either. Which is a shame because I'd like to fly it (the iCourier is AWESOME btw!), but c'est la vie.
 
I would wish they'd make the Cutter possible to get without the rank grinding attached. Charge me double the price for being filthy independent scum, but at least give me some way to get it.

It's the first Imperial Boat I like the looks of.

In other analogy terms, double the size of Mount Everest.

They should just give the Alliance some ships in the same range, it's lacking badly.
However ship design is not that easy and need to be done right. Fleshing out all the space inside some of the big ships will take some time for sure.
 
They should just give the Alliance some ships in the same range, it's lacking badly.
However ship design is not that easy and need to be done right. Fleshing out all the space inside some of the big ships will take some time for sure.

Pretty sure the Alliance wont be added until they fleshed out the military progression. This way even the max grinders will get to enjoy that without having to wipe their save.
 
Seriously? You are going to post in every topic you want your cutter to be easier to get? :) Anyway, imagine Mark Zuckerberg rolls up to the pentagon and says: "Hey, gimme that high-end military equipment, I've got the cash right here!" What do you think he'll get as a reply? And without analogies: you are not the only guy playing this game. Some play more, some play less. People who play a lot need to have something to strive for. That is currently the Cutter, or having Rank 5 in pp. Just because you cant or wont play that much, and dont have the patience for it either, you want the game to be changed. Thats every bit as absurd as demanding the mount Everest is reduced in height because you 'dont have that much time for practicing rock-climbing, I have a life you know!'. Fine, climb smaller mountains, leave the Mount Everest for people who spend more time on it.

With enough money you can buy whatever you want, trust me. If you want a M1 tank, you can get it. Legally maybe not, but you can get it.

But in the end, there is the legal way of doing it, which 99.9% of contractors abide by and then there are "other" procurement avenues.
 
You know that even Barack Obama wouldn't be able to purchase an Abrams tank, or F-22 Raptor for personal day to day use?

In any case when something is so absurd, and unimaginatively pointless, you have to make noise about it. So, indeed whilst protesting against something or expressing views on a particular unnecessary aspect of the game, I'll bring the topic up from time to time, pertaining to the relevance of the thread. I'm not complaining about anything else, the rest of the game is amazing.

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Who needs tanks and rapters when all you need is a briefcase?
 
I think that the those within ED who complain about shallow content are being a little blinkered. Most games nowadays are equally shallow especially MMOs. They generally boil down to this. Fight loads of enemies to earn XP and get a bonus piece of equipment at the end of the mission. XP allows you to do a different move or be harder to kill or use a better weapon. Use said weapon/move to kill more waves of enemies to give you more XP and an even bigger weapon. Use said weapon to kill more enemies and obtain a bit more XP and an even bigger weapon, repeat ad infinitum. How this is different from grinding credits and buying bigger ships I've no idea yet everyone slates ED for it.

My take is that ED isn't about the credits or the ships really its about the experience and the escapism. Once you stop worrying about making credits you can actually have some fun. Ok you can't buy the big ships unless you grind a bit and if you want to do that then great do it, if not don't, but in RL I can't buy a Bugatti Veyron as I clearly don't grind enough cash, it's not my thing, but I don't sit crying on my sofo demanding that the world puts in an easier way for me to afford one and then create a purpose built road that I can drive 200 mph on. I just get on with what I have access to and enjoy my time on this planet.

Elite actually has a lot of things that you can do and is actually richer than a lot of games out there already where pretty much all that you can do is run around killing stuff.
I'd give rep but it wouldn't be enough - right on commander.

I really want to beat everyone whinging about grinding over the head with a picture of Cmdr Fraud Digger at Beagle Point in a Sidey.

I'm wondering if the reason people complain quite so much is they grind like they're used to in some Final Fantasy mock-fest of character advancement, get their huge bigass ship and find out they can do almost sod-all new that they couldn't in the ship they had 200 hours ago.

Well they can't say no one told them so, and blaming FDev for it is just ridiculous.
 
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So there is a 10 year plan? why should people if they find the game broing no return in 10 years? Why do other games with long plans be exciting th entire time?

Just because the plan is there doesn't means the way is the right one.
And i won't mean everyone follows the game during this period, or may care to return after X years.

Hook people up and kep them interested is the right way to go.


It amuses me how many people want to take exception to a game they've spent hundreds or in many cases thousands of hours on - as being shallow and lacking content and being really bad and that. Odds are there are at best one or two titles alone that have the same hour count.

Frontier is doing fine, given what they are trying to achieve. They will never impress everyone or meet everyone's (often ludicrous) goals. That's okay. As long as they keep improving the game, and keep listening to the community, I have every expectation ED will continue to rock on.

nonsense pure game time is not always a indicator qualiy does not equal quantity.
 
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nonsense pure game time is not always a indicator quality does not equal quantity.
But it's an interesting way of looking at it isn't it?

I have read the sentiment: I have played for 1000 hours and hated every minute of it, or was bored every second. This just doesn't compute for me. Why would anyone play that long while they're not enjoying themselves. What is the motivator? In 100 hours the game may change entirely and I'll like it? In 200 hours I've grinded long enough to get this expensive ship, and once I have that ship all will be well?

Boggles my mind it does.
 
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