Well if they'd implemented the Disc World as a memorial to Terry Pratchett like I suggested there would be..
Can we all Cheer up please?
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Well if they'd implemented the Disc World as a memorial to Terry Pratchett like I suggested there would be..
Credits aren't the content in any way shape or form.
It's just money. I've got millions, there's folks with a hundred times that - we both play the same game and do the same things.
The content is in the size and complexity of the resulting galaxy - you choose your story. Do your own thing or sign up to factions/groups and trips, take part in races and events - that's the content. I think there are a lot of shallower games where all you gain is an illusion of rank/cash/whatever as you progress through their relatively linear storyline towards a specific goal so you have a set path and content keeps arriving at your door no matter what - FDev have left the door open and the keys in the car but you have to go find your own way to have fun in the galaxy.
It's not perfect for everyone, but no game should be. The Rogue Squadron/etc games bore me senseless, even Mass Effect and it's ilk I'd possibly prefer to watch as a film - and the same applies to almost all of the space sims. They 'pretend' but if you keep bashing at it the story will continue it'l all work out, you're just a stumbling block in the story's way. Except Elite where I find myself very happy even though the chances are I won't be the first to find the amazing next steps in the story just watching the size and scale of the efforts and events is stunning and being a small human amidst all that feels much more real than being a Skywalker all the time, restarting a mission twenty times until it gets the 'right' outcome
But that's not what this thread was about at all.. It wasn't speaking to people who are happy with the game it was speaking directly to people who are unhappy and asking them to cheer up. It went on to once again perpetuate the myth about the 10 year plan so obviously it was inviting those people who aren't happy to respond, either to say that the ops arguments were compelling and have convinced them to cheer up or (perhaps one might think the far more likely outcome) to argue why they are unhappy once again as apparently the OP didn't understand. So take what ever position you want on the game but discussion of what is wrong with the game from each individual point of view is entirely on topic here.
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PvPers are a very small group in the game, we had a poll about this a few months ago. Also the game was never meant to be about PvP.
I wouldn't call what they're planning 10 minutes work. But you seem to enjoy this sort of exagerration, so at least that's something
Pretty sure I wasn't saying that negative criticism doesn't belong in this forum. It is of course outside my entitlement to expect people to just cheer up because I asked it. I frequent these forums though and the amount of negative to positive comments really just needs balancing out and I wanted to do something about it. 'be the change you want to see in the world' is probably what I was thinking at the time.
Re reading the OP it does appear to exclusively call out the people that are unhappy with the games current state but really it was also an invitation for those that do like the game as it is to chime in and express so. It seems to me that just doesn't happen enough. Common response from humans is if they like something then they tell their mate about it down the pub next week, but if they don't like something, they rush on the forum and rage about it right now.
It does seem a little sad though that an OP with a pretty clear intention of trying to encourage a more positive outlook on the game, has become diluted by those that cant help themselves and must make structured point to point arguments about how the OP is all load of swinging balls and 'FD have failed to deliver the game I wanted when I wanted it'.
I know, I know 'welcome to the internet!' Opinions differ and we are all free to share. The sharing of information is what I love about the internet.
I wasn't even interested in ED before christmas, I knew it existed because I used to play Elite on my Amiga 500 but didn't get that into it. Only bought ED because it was one of the main titles that works well with VR. First time I played it was in VR and I have only played it VR so every time I have started it up and sat in my cockpit I have been blown away at what quickly became a 'second life' universe. If I need reckless fun then CQC is a absolute blast for frantic multiplayer fun. Then interspersed with some bounty hunting and smuggling, mining is just a peaceful break that I can chill out to with a beer. It'll always throw a curve ball at you which just keeps it interesting!
2.1 is really not that far off, Im dipping into FO4 at the moment until it comes because why not? It's adding a overhaul to the mission system - GREAT! I can't wait! I am not denying the game needs it, but only to make the game richer to meet high expectations. There is already plenty there in the base game to meet fair expectations which I have enjoyed after tasting various different 'flavours' and working out which ones I liked.
The crafting system that is coming too, again really cant wait for this because thats something I have always enjoyed in games.
I still cant make up my mind which is my favorite ship, I have not even been to sol yet, or gone deep into the black. There is still so much in this game I have not even done yet and to think that soon ill even have fighters to dock in my Anaconda is just awesome!
There really isn't anything wrong in occasionally telling the dev's that what they have done so far is build something quite unique and special and that we appreciate the work. They opted to support VR which is cutting edge tech in computer gaming and have literally transported me into the future as a commander space pilot that smuggles and ruthlessly kills without mercy.
Well done guys seriously.
ps. @ Cmdr Heisenberg B. love the ref to confidence and paranoia!
If you want a little sweet to balance out the sour from me, I can tell you that I'm one of the sad few that enjoys mining. The mining quests really need to be rebalanced so you don't need to camp for 3+ hours collecting quests to make it profitable and there are some rather irritating bugs so there is room for improvement, but I digress. Mining is one of the things in the game that actually has developed the most since release, with the addition of limpets and improvements to yield. I like to see how much Painite I can collect in one run.
Meanwhile on another thread:
This is why space elephants can never be a thing
I wouldn't hold out much hope for Elephants until at least landing on atmosphere planets is a thing!
Credits as I see it is the only available true content. Rest are just features to help you get more credits or to give different players options in how to earn credits. This is why I think the game is shallow.
You may think I'm stupid and unintelligent. So be it then. But this is what I think.
For the record, I still think Elite Dangerous is the absolute best space sim out there currently and no other game has immersed me in believing I'm really out there, in zero gravity, travelling to an unspecified goal.
I cant help but agree though, the part you say ED is the absolute unrivaled space simulator out there. I cannot wait for May when the Vive becomes more widely available, just because ED is so freaking immersive. Undeniable, unquestionable; inarguable.
There's always a but
BUT!
Credits are just a half-stop. Credits just allow you to buy stuff / replace stuff, and it takes most of the stress out of having to 'work' inside ED as a game to be able to have fun. I work a stressful full-time job, and have a wife and daughter and the last thing I want to do is come home, and work some more inside a video game.
So credits is just a half-stop, and credits aren't the problem. I bleat on and on and on about content being locked out by (for me) unscale-able reputation barriers. I just don't have time in a normal day-to-day routine to grind for days on end for that micro-percent reputation increase. It makes content unreachable for me. Content in the form of certain ships.
Back in the day, I fell ill, and it layed me up for days, it was when the seeking luxury fad started, and it was as much as I could do to take the opportunity to mindlessly stay glued to the 'new' ED game, and churn out cash like it was going out of fashion. I grinded because I thought credits was the way to go in ED. Ended up with about 9 billion + assets. Now cash is irrelevant to me, and I'm still locked out of content. I'd like the cutter, it's a beautifully designed ship - I could have a lot of fun with it, yet it's out of reach, and it will be until the end of time.
It's true you want what you cant have, but ED goes a little step further, and says you can have it, but what you have to do is have patience, and unlock it in with the slow grind give a year at your rate of game time, or you can unlock it with the fast grind, which will wear you out and you'll end up giving up through boredom, if your family haven't abandoned you in the meantime.
I'll cheer up when ED remove these pointless time consuming rep grinds, and just let us enjoy ED for what it has in abundance, fantastic visuals: both ships and scenery.
There's always a but
BUT!
Credits are just a half-stop. Credits just allow you to buy stuff / replace stuff, and it takes most of the stress out of having to 'work' inside ED as a game to be able to have fun. I work a stressful full-time job, and have a wife and daughter and the last thing I want to do is come home, and work some more inside a video game.
So credits is just a half-stop, and credits aren't the problem. I bleat on and on and on about content being locked out by (for me) unscale-able reputation barriers. I just don't have time in a normal day-to-day routine to grind for days on end for that micro-percent reputation increase. It makes content unreachable for me. Content in the form of certain ships.
Back in the day, I fell ill, and it layed me up for days, it was when the seeking luxury fad started, and it was as much as I could do to take the opportunity to mindlessly stay glued to the 'new' ED game, and churn out cash like it was going out of fashion. I grinded because I thought credits was the way to go in ED. Ended up with about 9 billion + assets. Now cash is irrelevant to me, and I'm still locked out of content. I'd like the cutter, it's a beautifully designed ship - I could have a lot of fun with it, yet it's out of reach, and it will be until the end of time.
It's true you want what you cant have, but ED goes a little step further, and says you can have it, but what you have to do is have patience, and unlock it in with the slow grind give a year at your rate of game time, or you can unlock it with the fast grind, which will wear you out and you'll end up giving up through boredom, if your family haven't abandoned you in the meantime.
I'll cheer up when ED remove these pointless time consuming rep grinds, and just let us enjoy ED for what it has in abundance, fantastic visuals: both ships and scenery.
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I wouldn't hold out much hope for Elephants until at least landing on atmosphere planets is a thing!
We could propose to make it a community event, no? Deep freezed elephant delivery? 1 pirated cargo yields 1 rare ivory commodity?
Uhh, I need to sit down now. I feel so fuzzily emergent right now.
Ther real chilling begins if ppl stop posting those kinda treads...
Nobody cares about Elephants. Woolly Mammoths or bust!
Read two rant threads and you may be cured of this feeling!
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Reminds me of an old joke...
Why does nobody talk about the big white elephant in the thread?
Because the mods don't like it when we imply they are fat!
Look I never said it was a good joke OK!
Look I never said it was a good joke OK!
I think that the those within ED who complain about shallow content are being a little blinkered. Most games nowadays are equally shallow especially MMOs. They generally boil down to this. Fight loads of enemies to earn XP and get a bonus piece of equipment at the end of the mission. XP allows you to do a different move or be harder to kill or use a better weapon. Use said weapon/move to kill more waves of enemies to give you more XP and an even bigger weapon. Use said weapon to kill more enemies and obtain a bit more XP and an even bigger weapon, repeat ad infinitum. How this is different from grinding credits and buying bigger ships I've no idea yet everyone slates ED for it.
My take is that ED isn't about the credits or the ships really its about the experience and the escapism. Once you stop worrying about making credits you can actually have some fun. Ok you can't buy the big ships unless you grind a bit and if you want to do that then great do it, if not don't, but in RL I can't buy a Bugatti Veyron as I clearly don't grind enough cash, it's not my thing, but I don't sit crying on my sofo demanding that the world puts in an easier way for me to afford one and then create a purpose built road that I can drive 200 mph on. I just get on with what I have access to and enjoy my time on this planet.
Elite actually has a lot of things that you can do and is actually richer than a lot of games out there already where pretty much all that you can do is run around killing stuff.
My take is that ED isn't about the credits or the ships really its about the experience and the escapism. Once you stop worrying about making credits you can actually have some fun. Ok you can't buy the big ships unless you grind a bit and if you want to do that then great do it, if not don't, but in RL I can't buy a Bugatti Veyron as I clearly don't grind enough cash, it's not my thing, but I don't sit crying on my sofo demanding that the world puts in an easier way for me to afford one and then create a purpose built road that I can drive 200 mph on. I just get on with what I have access to and enjoy my time on this planet.
Elite actually has a lot of things that you can do and is actually richer than a lot of games out there already where pretty much all that you can do is run around killing stuff.
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Indeed, honestly its probably better for the 2 "sides" to ignore each other at this point, Those who are happy with ED and those who want to call for change just don't agree and they're not going to convince each other that they're right, it would be nice if they could leave each other to discuss their position among like minded individuals but what are the chances of that happening
Different expectations clearly. You can't fix this I'm afraid, ED is obviously a game a lot of people want to like but can't for one reason or another and we've been being told to wait it'll all be better soon since beta. Anyway I'm still hanging around because I hope one day it really will be better and I try not to be negative but things like the 10 year plan trope really grinds my gears. Let's stop excusing Frontier, If you enjoy ED great extol its virtues if not that's fine to suggest, complain and rant about it's short comings. But let's leave what it may become for our future selves to discuss.
As for VR, I'm horrendously jealous of you
It's quite possible that VR is a transformative tech for enjoying ED, as it seems to be for a lot of games. I want it so badly but my misses says no... Actually technically she said you want it pay for it out of your youtube monies... which at current rate will only take about 3 years :|
If I was any happier I'd have to be a twin to contain it all!
Ahh, but in ED, Having the cash is just the first hurdle. There's the pointless rep hurdle to.
It's like in real life, Mark Zuckerberg rolls up to the Bugatti dealer, and flops a briefcase with $1.5m dollars on the dealers desk, and says, hey I'll take one..
The dealer turns around and says.. You're kidding mate, no chance. First you have to sit there and embroider 12.5 million pocket squares with intricate images from the Bayeux Tapestry; to raise reputation....
Imagine how he'd feel...
They make for huge steaks - that's what I think. And the mere thought definitely cheers me up. Well done!
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