MinMaxing your Fer-De-Lance

Princess Nia · Apr 8, 2016

Hi there, i like to play with numbers, i recently ran the numbers across the FDL and i found out that a lot of people are running it WRONG!

This is for shield users, primarily PvE'rs, remember that PvE thrives on how long you can stay in a RES. So bigger shields = better, right?
I'm going to be using Shield VALUE for this, it's the amount of MJ in total that a SCB can provide.

First build i ran across
http://coriolis.io/outfit/fer_de_la...b04040m040404p22b2b2o66.AwRj4yrI.Aw18cAsVA===

1,116 shield value, flat MJ, no return

This is the common build i see
http://coriolis.io/outfit/fer_de_la...b00020m0404044a5d5d2o66.AwRj4yrI.Aw18cAsVA===

this has 749 Flat MJ, and 2 4A's, for our comparison one of the 4A's will be control, so we wont count it (makes it easier, trust me)
a 4A restores 157.10 MJ per charge, times 4 (charges) is 628.4
628.4 + 749 (flat shield value) = 1377.4 shield value (+ the other 4A)

This is the correct build
http://coriolis.io/outfit/fer_de_la...b00020m0404045i455d2o66.AwRj4yrI.Aw18cAsVA===

this has 628 Flat MJ, and 1 5A SCB
a 5A restores 245.77 MJ per charge, times 4 (charges) is 983.08
983.08 + 628 (flat shield value) = 1611.08 shield value (+ the other 4A)

1611.08 - 1377.4 gives us 233.68 difference between the correct and incorrect build

The difference allowed you to fill up under file rather than just sustaining your shields, and you can still only use 1 heat sink while firing both the SCB's too!
I'll include the prismatic build values below too

In this build i had to change the PA to beam laser, and change D KWS to an E
http://coriolis.io/outfit/fer_de_la...b00020n0404045ip35d2o66.AwRj4yrI.AwgsIys1SA==

4A prismatics (772) + 5A SCB x 4 charges (983.08)
Yields a total Shield value of 1755.08 (+ extra 4A SCB). a good 166 extra MJ over the corrected build

Same build but with a 5A prismatic
http://coriolis.io/outfit/fer_de_la...b00020n040404p25d5d2o66.AwRj4yrI.AwgsIys1SA==

5A prismatics (893) + 4A SCB x 4 charge (628.4)
Yields a total shield value of 1521.4 (+ extra 4A SCB)

As you can see my build still stands superior with a gain of 233.68. the exact same as without prismatics
So, enjoy your new FDL

Julio Montega · Apr 8, 2016

You require SCBs to stay indefinitely in a haz-rez site?
This is news to me, never had any issues without that module...

Nice work on the numbers, though,
it'll surely help out some starting to BH in a FDL.

Nerwan · Apr 8, 2016

Princess Nia said:
Hi there, i like to play with numbers, i recently ran the numbers across the FDL and i found out that a lot of people are running it WRONG!

This is for shield users, primarily PvE'rs, remember that PvE thrives on how long you can stay in a RES. So bigger shields = better, right?
I'm going to be using Shield VALUE for this, it's the amount of MJ in total that a SCB can provide.

First build i ran across
http://coriolis.io/outfit/fer_de_la...b04040m040404p22b2b2o66.AwRj4yrI.Aw18cAsVA===

1,116 shield value, flat MJ, no return

This is the common build i see
http://coriolis.io/outfit/fer_de_la...b00020m0404044a5d5d2o66.AwRj4yrI.Aw18cAsVA===

this has 749 Flat MJ, and 2 4A's, for our comparison one of the 4A's will be control, so we wont count it (makes it easier, trust me)
a 4A restores 157.10 MJ per charge, times 4 (charges) is 628.4
628.4 + 749 (flat shield value) = 1377.4 shield value (+ the other 4A)

This is the correct build
http://coriolis.io/outfit/fer_de_la...b00020m0404045i455d2o66.AwRj4yrI.Aw18cAsVA===

this has 628 Flat MJ, and 1 5A SCB
a 5A restores 245.77 MJ per charge, times 4 (charges) is 983.08
983.08 + 628 (flat shield value) = 1611.08 shield value (+ the other 4A)

1611.08 - 1377.4 gives us 233.68 difference between the correct and incorrect build

The difference allowed you to fill up under file rather than just sustaining your shields, and you can still only use 1 heat sink while firing both the SCB's too!
I'll include the prismatic build values below too

In this build i had to change the PA to beam laser, and change D KWS to an E
http://coriolis.io/outfit/fer_de_la...b00020n0404045ip35d2o66.AwRj4yrI.AwgsIys1SA==

4A prismatics (772) + 5A SCB x 4 charges (983.08)
Yields a total Shield value of 1755.08 (+ extra 4A SCB). a good 166 extra MJ over the corrected build

Same build but with a 5A prismatic
http://coriolis.io/outfit/fer_de_la...b00020n040404p25d5d2o66.AwRj4yrI.AwgsIys1SA==

5A prismatics (893) + 4A SCB x 4 charge (628.4)
Yields a total shield value of 1521.4 (+ extra 4A SCB)

As you can see my build still stands superior with a gain of 233.68. the exact same as without prismatics
So, enjoy your new FDL

Flip your 5A generator for a 5C bi-weave and your base shields drop by around 150MJ (and you get more power to play with). This still gives you a base shield strength greater than the recharge of 2 x 4A SCB so you don't waste anything when you recharge. So for just 150MJ less total shield strength you gain 1.8MJ per second charge instead of 1.0MJ per second. That means that over a 30 minute res hunt you gain an additional 1440MJ of shield strength.. That's the build I use.

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Julio Montega said:
You require SCBs to stay indefinitely in a haz-rez site?
This is news to me, never had any issues without that module...

Nice work on the numbers, though,
it'll surely help out some starting to BH in a FDL.

It depends what you do at the HazRez, if you want to take on wings of five the SCBs can be handy.. And unless you're in solo there's always the possibility of a fight with a cmdr so you don't want your PvE build to be so limited that you can't cope.

Arry · Apr 8, 2016

Do we have any idea of what class 4 weapons are coming in 2.1?

Princess Nia · Apr 8, 2016

Arry said:
Do we have any idea of what class 4 weapons are coming in 2.1?

Multicannons, more than likely beams, and if we do, we might see a nerf to class 3 beam's

Arry · Apr 8, 2016

Princess Nia said:
Multicannons, more than likely beams, and if we do, we might see a nerf to class 3 beam's

Class 4 beams will just set fire to your ship. Might be fun though.

the100thmonkey · Apr 8, 2016

Arry said:
Class 4 beams will just set fire to your ship. Might be fun though.

Not the ferdie.

And while I have a build somewhat similar to the example posted by Nia, I've actually been questioning the SCB as I very rarely have to use it. I eschew the KWS because it ends up giving influence to factions, minor and major, that I don't want to benefit from my work (and I'm a communist - money's not the thing.) I've never needed a heatsink on the FdL, so I replace that module with chaff and run four A0 shield boosters.

How would the numbers stack with 4D/5D SCBs configuration versus actual gameplay?

Julio Montega · Apr 8, 2016

Nerwan said:
It depends what you do at the HazRez, if you want to take on wings of five the SCBs can be handy.. And unless you're in solo there's always the possibility of a fight with a cmdr so you don't want your PvE build to be so limited that you can't cope.

I seem to generally opt for speed and maneuvering,
so i can pick engagements and disengage when my rechargable ressource (shields) gets low.
Old habits are hard to loose,
but that was the FDL and i have not
sticked long to the
"Phat Triangle".

shadragon · Apr 8, 2016

B class SCB carry an extra charge over an A. Less of a power boost compared to A, but nice to have.

My FDL build here.

Nerwan · Apr 8, 2016

Julio Montega said:
I seem to generally opt for speed and maneuvering,
so i can pick engagements and disengage when my rechargable ressource (shields) gets low.
Old habits are hard to loose,
but that was the FDL and i have not
sticked long to the
"Phat Triangle".

The absolute maximum boost on an FDL is 406k/s. I have a 5C bi-weave and 2x4A SCBs and my boost is 403k/s so it's not really a big deal. I do agree about the maneuvering point, that's why I never put military bulkheads on there and I don't use B SCBs despite the fact that they have more total charge, they both weight a tonne..