At what system then, keeping to a 7ly range are you unable to cross that gap? That would be the proper spot where the Rift begins, would it not?
The Formidine Rift - Part 2
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At what system then, keeping to a 7ly range are you unable to cross that gap? That would be the proper spot where the Rift begins, would it not?
I was also thinking about this and to do it with a Cobra MK III only difference taking srv with me for fun
But I think you start to get jump problems when you around Rho cassiopeaie the road before will not be difficult in economy,
because Im just about to finish a small trip from,
Cave Nebula,
veils west sector
Veils north sector
Sadr nebula
North american & Pelican
Elephant trunk nebula
Bubble nebula
al in economy jumps range between 1.5 and 21ly was the longest jump
But I think you start to get jump problems when you around Rho cassiopeaie the road before will not be difficult in economy,
because Im just about to finish a small trip from,
Cave Nebula,
veils west sector
Veils north sector
Sadr nebula
North american & Pelican
Elephant trunk nebula
Bubble nebula
al in economy jumps range between 1.5 and 21ly was the longest jump
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According to this - "There are no stars for dozens of light years and the dark systems haven't been mapped, so take your time, watch your six." - her ship was capable of jumps longer than 7ly, at least 24 ly.
Okay ... so lets assume I'm operating under completely wrong assumptions about the old lady's jump range. So scratch the 7Ly limit. Does anybody have any idea what the max jump range of a Cobra Mk III was in Frontier: Elite 2 and Frontier: First Encounters. I need authoritative numbers not just vague recollections. I've got my game manuals in front of me but I can't locate info on max jump distances. I'd really like to be able to "recreate" the journey she would have had to take back in her day.
Don't you guys think the RR line is not to be taken this seriously?
To me is always sounded like "Point a + on a cosmic scale rediculously close point b"
So it is THAT WAY!
On the edge of the universe it still could be thousends of ly left or right/up or down.
As I said a few posts back, "Yes I am aware that this is seriously overthinking the problem ..."
Okay. I've been operating under the assumption that the old lady was flying one of these:
Rereading the section of Reclamation where she describes her ship I hit on something I hadn't noticed before:
If her Cobra was made by Apocalypse then that is a pretty good clue that she was flying a SuperCobra.
From Drew's non-canonical Oolite novel, Status Quo:
I'm pretty sure that Apocalypse Engineering never appears in any canonical work aside from Drew's Reclamation so the only hints we have about her ship's capabilities are what we can mine from Drew's Oolite Saga. So now I'm off to see if I can find mention of what that ship's jump capabilities were.
Rereading the section of Reclamation where she describes her ship I hit on something I hadn't noticed before:
‘Cobra you know, Mark 3 …’ Salomé didn’t understand much of what the woman was talking about. ‘… with the outrigger thrusters? It was an Apocalypse engineering special. Hardly see them now … proper old school ship … wouldn’t have slipped the bounty hunters without it … not like these modern designs.’
If her Cobra was made by Apocalypse then that is a pretty good clue that she was flying a SuperCobra.
From Drew's non-canonical Oolite novel, Status Quo:
There was a small stylised plaque on the console, just below the main scanner.
Apocalypse Engineering is proud to present the SuperCobra. Your vision; our reality
Apocalypse Engineering is proud to present the SuperCobra. Your vision; our reality
I'm pretty sure that Apocalypse Engineering never appears in any canonical work aside from Drew's Reclamation so the only hints we have about her ship's capabilities are what we can mine from Drew's Oolite Saga. So now I'm off to see if I can find mention of what that ship's jump capabilities were.
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Elite 2: 18 LY Max jump
Frontier: First Encounters: 27 LY Max jump
Last one sounds very interesting I think...
Legacy_LuckyLuke
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Thanks for that but... what are the sources for those jump ranges? I can't find them in the manuals!
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Sounds more like a pilgrimagewould be interesting to see what you discover
Something like that
One of the oldest russian Elite databases.
http://www.elite-games.ru/elite2/cobra3.shtml
http://www.elite-games.ru/elite3/cobra3.shtml
Legacy_LuckyLuke
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That's a really good pick-up I hadn't noticed before either. Maybe it was used to ensure the ship the old lady flew was similar spec with our current Cobra's?
I had a sneaking suspicion that she was using a SuperCobra or Cobra Courier rather than the Mk. III or Mk. IV for her exploration trip, but without definitive proof I didn't want to mention it. (Unless Drew thew in an anachronism in the Oolite Saga... The CEO Rebecca rescued was flying a Mk. IV.) That's the other thing too. She did fly a Cobra Courier at one point. Was that ship also produced by Apocalypse Engineering?
Should be noted that sources for the Cobra Courier and SuperCobra are all non-canonical. I don't want to lead folks down the wrong tangent.
I can not say exactly where the limit for a 7ly fsd range would be, but I can say that the stars thin out enough that you'd probably be a couple hundred ly away from the Orion-Perseus gap using a 7ly fsd range. In any case, I want to be clear that I am not trying to dissuade you from attempting your own trip along the R/R line as I am just following a line preceded by many before me as well. I am trying to figure out what exactly does the R/R line point to. According to the maps I have looked at, the Formadine Rift is on the other side of the Perseus arm and it can't be reached going in a straight line using R/R as your compass, confusing as this seems to me. But, it may be that the R/R line can be reacquired once you cross the Orion-Perseus gap and from there head toward the rift using the R/R line until the stars thin out.
Or it is just a path to the gap and the Formadine Rift used by explorers because it has that fabulous lighthouse of Rho Cassiopeia and once at the gap you have to find your own way through to the Rift.
Or it is just a path to the gap and the Formadine Rift used by explorers because it has that fabulous lighthouse of Rho Cassiopeia and once at the gap you have to find your own way through to the Rift.
Yeah... the R/R line may be nothing more then an easy way to direct people to the general direction of the Rift with nothing else to see along the way. Kind of like saying "take a left at the candy shop and keep going until you reach the public library." The candy shop has nothing to do with the Public Library but makes a good landmark when providing directions. This is probably the case. The Old Lady may not have even used the R/R line herself to plot her way to the Rift.
Hitler? That's a bit over-the-top don't you think?
I see Kahina as being closer to Paul Atreides from the "Dune" saga by Frank Herbert. Not the David Lynch movie version. The actual version from the book. In describing the difference between the Paul of the movie and the Paul of the novels Frank Herbert said, "I have my quibbles about the film, of course. Paul was a man playing god, not a god who could make it rain."
Paul (and his mother) deliberately manipulate the course of events to conveniently insert himself into the lore of the Fremen in order to achieve his own goals which included revenge. I think Kahina has allowed herself, as Salome, to be inserted into certain elements of galactic lore in order to achieve her own ends and, if other people happen to benefit along the way, that is okay with her. She is neither angel nor devil. She plays the role of underdog very well in a way that gets the public to root for her in-spite of themselves. She still possesses many traits that come from being raised as a "spoiled imperial lady" but, being only in her mid twenties and considering all she has been through, is metamorphosing into something more. Where the future takes her, and us, is anyone's guess.
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OK maybe a stupid question, but how does one calculate the distance and degrees from R/R line? EDSM doesn't seem to have anything like this. People using their own tools and code?
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