The Fer de lance dilemma and ships pricing

[Marcus Franconium]

Hi fellow commander.


A thing that's bothering me is the ships pricing and the Fer de lance power generator upgrade

especially the pricing of the Fer de Lance when it was first released the Fer de Lance was underpowered and had a high pricing around the 100 million credits after a lot of complaints of the community the price was dropped to the current pricing of 51 million credits . How ever the Fer de lance got a power generator upgrade from a class 5 to a class 6 and is now what you would call over powered and under priced.

During the release of Elite dangerous there where only a few ships to choose from and the pricing between the ships was reasonably balanced .

And the release of 1.2 wings brought the T7 Vulture and Fer de Lance . and the prices of these ships where also reasonably balanced to the other ships.

since the original release a lot more ships entered the game and the pricing vs type of ships and capabilities are now very narrow .

For example why buy a t7 if for a little more you can buy an imperial clipper or buy an eagle or hauler when an adder or viper mk III just cost less than a power plant upgrade for the sidewinder .

I would like to see that the pricing between the ships would be rebalanced so that all of the ships would have the appreciation they deserve .

 

[Princess Nia]

the powerplant upgrade increased the FDL's cost effectiveness by about 10 mill, i'd like to see it around 63 mill in the long run.

and with more huge hardpoints coming out, that's me being generous

 

[tawittle]

The pricing of ships should be the lowest priority on the balance list since it hardly affects actual gameplay.

What's even the point of making the FDL 10-20 million more expensive when at the end of the day it's only ~10% of the total ship costs (outfitting + ship). Everyone must grind 10% more to use this ship? It's just not an important change.

For example why buy a t7 if for a little more you can buy an imperial clipper or buy an eagle or hauler when an adder or viper mk III just cost less than a power plant upgrade for the sidewinder .

I don't think theres any problem with these examples you give. If you have empire rank 7 (which is not easy to get) you can get an upgrade over the T7 on your way to a python.

As for "why upgrade a sidey/eagle/etc. when adder and viper are so cheap": because even though the adder and viper might be cheap to buy they still cost a good bit more than a sidewinder or eagle to outfit.

 

[Henri]

it would be nice if there was a use for anything but a modules and for ships which are not fdl

 

[tafkabb]

I just need to get something clear because I don't want to misunderstand. You want a ship to be made more expensive and worse? Is that right?

 

[ShadowWolf Kell]

Well it originally cost about 120m. The cattle herd mooed loudly about how that was too much and that it sucked. Now they're mooing the opposite.

Some people can never be pleased and FDev needs to simply stop listening to these folks.

 

[jmp470]

The VultupwS originally priced at 20M credits too.

 

[Surround]

Heh. It sounds like frontier made good choice with the original prices. 20mil sounds much better for a vulture with an upgraded fsd. After playing with vulture 6mil is way too low for heavy fighter.

 

[Crimson Kaim]

FDL should be reverted to what it has been. It was perfectly fine but now everyone is maxing it without any compromise.
5 Plasma guns? No problem at all!

 

[The_Quasar]

If you nerf or increase the price on a FDL, you'd have to increase the price on a FAS too, or it would be far too OP for it's cost.

Perhaps better to leave both alone...

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

Please don't nerf the FDL. It's the only big ship I really enjoy combat in!
It's price vs performance is alittle off now though.
It's quite cheap really. But then, fully A rated costs about 130m. Which is fair, considering combat is all it can do.

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

"I've got my FDL, so please double the price"
That's what you are saying isn't it OP?

 

[Boomer Kay]

For example why buy a t7 if for a little more you can buy an imperial clipper

Because I'm in a T-9 (and Python and FAS/FGS and ASP) now and never bothered with the rank for the clipper?
T6, T7 and T9 are a formidable set of trading ships that work more than well enough.

For other ship upgrade paths, your current ship is always the piggybank for your next big buy. Of course you can buy a stock upgrade and consider that superior to your previous ship - where in many cases it just isn't.
My A Grade ASP outperformed my D Grade Python in quite a few multirole areas, and that's a pretty steep price markup. Somewhere in there I could add a Clipper Multirole ship for a smoother progression, but I just passed on that.

Additionally, you cannot really judge the cheaper ship's progression from an experienced player's point of view.
When my GF joined ED about 5 month after I did, I got her in a shiny, mostly A Grade Cobra MKIII in no time at all - maybe 4 hours total played for over 3 million in assets.
When I joined, it took me forever to get my first million, then just played around with all the different ships I could afford, never less than 2 ships in my fleet since my first hauler/eagle combo.

 

[Marcus Franconium]

I just need to get something clear because I don't want to misunderstand. You want a ship to be made more expensive and worse? Is that right?

No don't get me wrong I want the Fdl to return to his original pricing now it has a more power full class 6 power generator.

in the beginning the pricing was to expensive for a ship that was severely underpowered .

it was around the 90 million or 100 million if a can remember correctly .

But now with the new power generator an 85- 100 million price tag is not that bad for a ship witch is a top end ship. and can run most systems internals and utility's

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"I've got my FDL, so please double the price"
That's what you are saying isn't it OP?

I don't have a fdl infact only used it during beta testing . but returning the ship to its original pricing is not a bad thing .
as lowering it was also a slap in the face of the cmdrs that bought it when it was near a 100 million credits and got discounted after compliants it was to expensive for what it was at that moment.

 

[DragoonKnight]

Hi fellow commander.


A thing that's bothering me is the ships pricing and the Fer de lance power generator upgrade

especially the pricing of the Fer de Lance when it was first released the Fer de Lance was underpowered and had a high pricing around the 100 million credits after a lot of complaints of the community the price was dropped to the current pricing of 51 million credits . How ever the Fer de lance got a power generator upgrade from a class 5 to a class 6 and is now what you would call over powered and under priced.

During the release of Elite dangerous there where only a few ships to choose from and the pricing between the ships was reasonably balanced .

And the release of 1.2 wings brought the T7 Vulture and Fer de Lance . and the prices of these ships where also reasonably balanced to the other ships.

since the original release a lot more ships entered the game and the pricing vs type of ships and capabilities are now very narrow .

For example why buy a t7 if for a little more you can buy an imperial clipper or buy an eagle or hauler when an adder or viper mk III just cost less than a power plant upgrade for the sidewinder .

I would like to see that the pricing between the ships would be rebalanced so that all of the ships would have the appreciation they deserve .

Clearly we should make the FAS with its cheaper price, larger amount of internals slots, and higher jump range the superior combat ship over the FDL, right? You clearly have no clue about what you are talking about.

The so called buffs to the FDL were necessary to make it competetive with its cheaper competition, FAS and Clipper. And quit your whining about price as an A rated FDL is already 15-35 million more, depending on armor, than an A rated clipper or FAS before counting the cost of whatever internals you stick in there. As the same time it is has a lot less utility than either of those 2 and is really only good for PvP and Haz Res.

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I don't have a fdl infact only used it during beta testing . but returning the ship to its original pricing is not a bad thing .
as lowering it was also a slap in the face of the cmdrs that bought it when it was near a 100 million credits and got discounted after compliants it was to expensive for what it was at that moment.

So this right here is the ultimate proof that your opinions regarding the FDL need to be ignored.
If the FDL is going to cost 50 million more than it does now then it better get 50 million credits worth of buffs. They can start with the horrible jump range and tiny fuel tank

And CMDRS that bought the FDL for 100 Million can just sell it back and repurchase it for 43.5 Million in LYR space.

 

[DragoonKnight]

and another reason for the Class 6 PP on the FDL is that the ASP, which costs only 6 Million and is a smaller ship than the FDL has a Class 5 PP and a lot more internals as well. So it just does not make sense for a dedicated combat ship that is larger than the ASP to have the same size or smaller PP.

I suspect the whiners on these forums wont be happy until the FDL costs 150 million and has a class 4 power plant

 

[Marcus Franconium]

Clearly we should make the FAS with its cheaper price, larger amount of internals slots, and higher jump range the superior combat ship over the FDL, right? You clearly have no clue about what you are talking about.

The so called buffs to the FDL were necessary to make it competetive with its cheaper competition, FAS and Clipper. And quit your whining about price as an A rated FDL is already 15-35 million more, depending on armor, than an A rated clipper or FAS before counting the cost of whatever internals you stick in there. As the same time it is has a lot less utility than either of those 2 and is really only good for PvP and Haz Res.

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So this right here is the ultimate proof that your opinions regarding the FDL need to be ignored.
If the FDL is going to cost 50 million more than it does now then it better get 50 million credits worth of buffs. They can start with the horrible jump range and tiny fuel tank

And CMDRS that bought the FDL for 100 Million can just sell it back and repurchase it for 43.5 Million in LYR space.

I want the prices to be rebalanced for al of the ships in accordance to their capability's .

The fdl was nerved at the start the price was adjusted accordingly . now it has been upgraded and the pricing is still the same its not logical . a having a fdl for 100 million is a good enough price for it.

 

[DragoonKnight]

I want the prices to be rebalanced for al of the ships in accordance to their capability's .

The fdl was nerved at the start the price was adjusted accordingly . now it has been upgraded and the pricing is still the same its not logical . a having a fdl for 100 million is a good enough price for it.

Read my posts again, as I already explained it. You cant claim that "its not logical" just because you do not understand it.

 

[Marcus Franconium]

and another reason for the Class 6 PP on the FDL is that the ASP, which costs only 6 Million and is a smaller ship than the FDL has a Class 5 PP and a lot more internals as well. So it just does not make sense for a dedicated combat ship that is larger than the ASP to have the same size or smaller PP.

I suspect the whiners on these forums wont be happy until the FDL costs 150 million and has a class 4 power plant

The asp is an explorer vessel is also to cheap and totally different to the fdl .who said that I wanted the powerplant nerved I just want the price to return to its original pricing in 1.2 as the new power plant more than justify it .

and it will fill the 60 million gap between the T9 and the anaconda

 

[DragoonKnight]

The biggest problem I see here is the OP. The price of the FDL is in a good spot right now and the OP clearly has no shortage of credits.
Does it somehow affect your game if people can fly the FDL, op? Did an FDL do something bad to you? Did an FDL kick your dog or insult your mother? Or maybe you are bitter because an FDL showed your cutter or anaconda a rebuy screen?
If you think the FDL is so OP then go A rate an FAS and fly that for a while in a variety of roles. Then do the same with an FDL. Then come back and share your experiences, but until you have done that this entire thread is laughable.