Fermi Paradox - Where are they?
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Stachel
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Hehe yeah. Henson Duval was a total bad ass. Murdered his own sister amongst other things.
Personally I think they missed a trick - shoulda called them the McSweeneys.
Not an isolated incident then ..
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As an explorer I don't want Frontier Developments to reveal what's out there until its been found. I hope they keep it in-house and never let on to the playerbase what they've got out there waiting for us. That adds so much more mystique to the gameworld you're part off.
Knowing that there IS stuff out there is enough. So hints, suggestions, rumours via ingame newsfeeds yes, but big neon arrows on the galactic map saying the people of zog are here, no thanks
I completely agree.
The not knowing will be much more exiting than the knowing.
In most scifi aliens are just humans with comprehensible human-like motivations in alien or humanoid bodies.
I hope aliens in Elite will be more enigmatic and mysterious.
I do not want to meet Jar Jar Binks in Elite space.
I would love to see alien stuff that is never explained, or obviously highly intelligent aliens that can not be communicated with.
Perhaps we could witness huge alien ships entering an enormous Dyson Sphere, but they totally ignore us and we cannot follow. We might be able to land on its surface, but nothing else.
Or perhaps certain planets are for always closed off by an invisible force field and we can only guess at the wonders that may be on it. From space we can observe alien activity on the surface and we see gigantic alien cities, but are not allowed onto the surface. Perhaps there are huge alien installations in orbit, but we are unable to approach them. Perhaps they can rearrange stars to suit their purposes.
And we will never know how they look like and we will never be able to understand their technology. And we will forever ask ourselves why we are allowed into their star systems in the first place but are not allowed to do anything else. We might not even be able to power up our weapons for example.
Sometimes an alien vessel might accompany us from a distance while we travel through their system, but they never react to our attempts at communication.
All this would be infinitely preferable to having to listen to some talkative alien who acts just like another human..
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We're all talking about the Drake Equation here...
No... the Drake Equation is predicting the likelihood of alien life using known values and guesswork.
Fermi's Paradox is somewhat different - it's more a supposition that if we assume (as you can with the Drake equation depending on your guesses) that there are thousands of intelligent life forms out there, then where are they & why haven't we been contacted?
The two are obviously linked, and one is often used to support / deny the other in equal measure, but in this instance I think Fermi's is more applicable here. Idea being that the galaxy is big, and there can be lots of intelligent races out there but they haven't contacted our little corner because of the distance, and that is Fermi territory.
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Agreed.
Though i'd take a certain pleasure at eliminating his kind. even if that puts me on the dark side. actually, pretty much the other way arround i guess.
but that would follow the disapointement of seing such annoying creatures in the game.
make sure the procedural generation doesnt create any JJB please!!
My amateur guess would be physics! We may suppose that being able to travel faster than the speed of light could someday be possible, and that given the age of the universe there may have been societies that might have been around for hundreds of thousands if not millions of years and would have solved some of these problems.
But it might also be true that either there is no solution, or these ancient races still haven't solved them and we are all sitting around on our little balls of dirt, peering into the sky and dreaming of what might be.
Or they have solved them and we just aren't interesting enough to visit yet.
As far as I can see it, not looking too deeply, Fermi's Paradox has an ENORMOUS flaw, by supposing that the chemical compositions of previous star systems are the same as those seen in our Solar system.
--- It is impossible to create any metal higher than Iron by normal stellar processes... a supernova is required (actually lots and lots of supernovae)
--- Iron is only element 26 out of >100
--- Even if life were around elsewhere billions of years ago, it is unlikely that they would have had the materials to build spacecraft
So. in effect now would be about the right time for life to rise beyond planets as the universe finally has enough resources available (beyond iron) to make the process feasible?
We then are one of the firsts, hence why nothing has been heard / discovered?
Isn't that akin to making us special and 'chosen' in another format, like we have been doing all those centuries?
Not chosen, but in at the right time...there could be a billion other lifeforms on the brink of space travel, and maybe in another few million years, the Galaxy would be populated as Fermi's Paradox suggests
But the basic building blocks of life are hydrogen, carbon, oxygen, nitrogen and phosphorus, used by RNA and DNA therefore could life have existed prior to the formation of iron?
And it looks like carbon can be used to make very strong structures e.g. diamond, buckyballs, ect.
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I can't help but say: life as we know it!
Not chosen, but in at the right time...there could be a billion other lifeforms on the brink of space travel, and maybe in another few million years, the Galaxy would be populated as Fermi's Paradox suggests
The Earth has an iron rich core, and has been in existence for around 4.6 billion years... so iron has been prevalent in this part of the galaxy at least for a very long time.
One of many I would imagine, all of them thinking the same thing "We are the first!"
Iron's relatively easy... However, you can't make anything higher than iron by fusion (e.g. tin, zinc, gold, silver, platinum, nickel, copper, lead...)