I use yaw to great advantage all the time, so much so that I can't imagine a stick without yaw. With 3 rotation axis on one hand and 3 translation movements on the other hand, I can't imagine switching to peddles as I use yaw so much. The yaw on the ships are not equal, some faster yaw than others. If you don't use yaw much, then IMO you aren't taking full advantage of the flight mechanics during combat, takeoff, and landing procedures.
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Pedals are for yaw. I use them for 'tank' steering in a SRV, and for in-ship yaw control. Pedals are usually analog so you have complete control of how much input - just like actual aircraft.
So whether you twist a stick, or use pedals, the game works the same.
Pedals are for yaw. I use them for 'tank' steering in a SRV, and for in-ship yaw control. Pedals are usually analog so you have complete control of how much input - just like actual aircraft.
So whether you twist a stick, or use pedals, the game works the same.
The one thing about pedals that always concerns me is the strain needed to use them, I tried playing rock band drums back in the day and those pedals were plastic but my ankle and foot would start to hurt very soon into gameplay from repeatedly making the push down motion on that pedal. Do flight sim pedals work differently or would that also lead to cramping and pain in the ankles too?
My Pro-flight Cessna pedals, and all other FS pedals work the same I believe have more of a push forward instead of a push down motion for the yaw.
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The two pedals are linked on a bar that pivots on an axis pointing up from the floor. So, when I push the left pedal by sliding my whole foot forwards (not down like a cars clutch), the right pedal moves towards me. The control is spring loaded (adjustable force) so when you are not actively pushing a side forward, they automatically centre for level flight.
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Several pedal brands do have a push-down motion axis on each pedal which you do operate more like a cars brake pedal, but these are generally used as independent brakes in flight sims so you only ever need them on landings. I don't use these for anything in Elite.
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It took a while to get used to using them instead of a twist stick (I changed a couple of months ago) but now its second nature and I don't get any ankle issues because its mainly a light-push/slide foot forward/back motion.
Flight pedals are not pushed down, you are maybe thinking of a driving sim?
They are two pedals attached to a swing arm, so left slides forward, as right slides back, and vice versa. I've flown for many hours (oh, my public shame) at a stretch in game and haven't found it at all uncomfortable. Most decent ones have adjustable tension, so you can set to require Andre the Giant to push, or coughing loudly would move - for reference I have these: http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/compedals.html
As is the case with anything, it's what you become used to. I had these as a consequence of playing a little DCS World, and I just translated to using them in Elite. It's quite something when you are jockeying flight stick, throttles, pedals and Track-IR is panning the camera as you track a target; it's pretty darn good.
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You'll need pedals for the yaw! I thought about getting pedals, although I use the X-55 still. It hasn't broken yet.
That is a myth. I set up the stick so that pitch is up/down, yaw left right and have 2 controls to roll - one switch toggle to make the stick roll left and right (instead of yaw) which I rarely use, and a thumb toggle that rolls left and right, which I use 95% of the time. It works great, and I am far more accurate with it set up with yaw on the stick. I upgraded from a Rhino as well. Would never go back
Congrats on the Warthog.
Saitek would have a lot more customers if they were to make quality sticks that do not break after a few years. Not a lot of choices for quality sticks. I hear that Thrustmaster is set to announce a new flight stick on May 4, so we'll just have to wait and see what they have for us.
Saitek would have a lot more customers if they were to make quality sticks that do not break after a few years. Not a lot of choices for quality sticks. I hear that Thrustmaster is set to announce a new flight stick on May 4, so we'll just have to wait and see what they have for us.
I have the Warthog and Crosswind pedals. Before I had an old Sidewinder 2 which was fine for what it was but I don't miss twist yaw at all. I would always be inadvertently yawing or rolling when I meant to roll or yaw. A solid stick and good pedals are a much better combination for me.
I had a three month lead time on my pedal order so I used the Saitek Pro Combat pedals to keep me going while I waited. For the money they're not bad. I'd definitely recommend trying them out if you're unsure as to whether you want to shell out for the quality stuff. Having said that I understand that the Slaw pedals are also good quality and ship quicker, so you could look at those.
As an aside, unless things have changed since I ordered my HOTAS, the Warthog throttle unit can't be purchased separately so if you want it you should buy the joystick and throttle combination because you won't be able to add the throttle later.
I had a three month lead time on my pedal order so I used the Saitek Pro Combat pedals to keep me going while I waited. For the money they're not bad. I'd definitely recommend trying them out if you're unsure as to whether you want to shell out for the quality stuff. Having said that I understand that the Slaw pedals are also good quality and ship quicker, so you could look at those.
As an aside, unless things have changed since I ordered my HOTAS, the Warthog throttle unit can't be purchased separately so if you want it you should buy the joystick and throttle combination because you won't be able to add the throttle later.
Flight pedals are not pushed down, you are maybe thinking of a driving sim?
They are two pedals attached to a swing arm, so left slides forward, as right slides back, and vice versa. I've flown for many hours (oh, my public shame) at a stretch in game and haven't found it at all uncomfortable. Most decent ones have adjustable tension, so you can set to require Andre the Giant to push, or coughing loudly would move - for reference I have these: http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/compedals.html
As is the case with anything, it's what you become used to. I had these as a consequence of playing a little DCS World, and I just translated to using them in Elite. It's quite something when you are jockeying flight stick, throttles, pedals and Track-IR is panning the camera as you track a target; it's pretty darn good.
Ah thanks for clarifying the difference between the two, I had always thought they were pushed down before. I can see how that would be pretty easy to use then.
I went the same route as you re the pedals. Saitek pro pedals were nice, but I felt they were more of a gimmick and for RP / immersion than actually adding much to the game, since I had an X65F with twist. That changed when I got the Crosswinds. They definitely added a helluvalot of control to my flying and reduced TTK noticeably.
Once the Saiteks were gone, I realised something else after flying Star Citizen ships for a while...
Yaw on the stick is way more accurate for dogfighting and accurate pedals make rolling a breeze. It took me a couple of weeks to relearn but that has helped my CQC rank no end.
I hear you. To an extent I think it makes more sense to have yaw on the stick. I used to with my Sidewinder 2. In space it doesn't really matter what your roll rotation is and it's more intuitive to use the stick for yaw.
When I first started playing this game I couldn't decide whether to go with yaw or roll on the stick. I didn't really want to be switching every time I went back to a flight sim even if yaw makes sense thematically.
In the end I stuck with roll partly because this game's flight model is such that the effect of roll is much more pronounced and partly because the promise of atmospheric flight in the future raised the prospect not just of switching control schemes between games but in the same game. It certainly didn't hurt that when I got the pedals everything just clicked with the traditional control method.
I don't regret the decision. I'm not massively interested in combat - and I have no interest in ever playing CQC at all - so the advantage you refer to doesn't really apply for me. Additionally I found that steering SRVs with the pedals worked better for me than steering with the stick, and being able to pitch and roll the vehicle
The last X55 replacement that I have now seems to be more reliable than any of the previous ones.
But anyway, I would not rush with any HOTAS upgrades now as Saitek is already taking pre-orders for X56 Rhino, and Thrustmaster is about to announce the new series of joysticks the 4th/5th of May:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/4dq0qc/thrustmaster_new_joystick_lineup_reveal/
But anyway, I would not rush with any HOTAS upgrades now as Saitek is already taking pre-orders for X56 Rhino, and Thrustmaster is about to announce the new series of joysticks the 4th/5th of May:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/4dq0qc/thrustmaster_new_joystick_lineup_reveal/
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I'd suggest that anyone looking to pick up a new Warthog shop around on the Fleabay and similar sites. It's easy to pick one up new in the box with warranty intact for $250 which is a lot easier to swallow than the $400 the OP paid.
I got lucky and found my stick bundled with a set of pedals from a friend for cheap, so I never felt the lack of a decent yaw control. I'd recommend picking up some CH Pro or Saitek pedals, unless you feel like springing for another decent piece of kit and can grab a set of crosswinds or similar.
I got lucky and found my stick bundled with a set of pedals from a friend for cheap, so I never felt the lack of a decent yaw control. I'd recommend picking up some CH Pro or Saitek pedals, unless you feel like springing for another decent piece of kit and can grab a set of crosswinds or similar.
