The Star Citizen Thread v 4

[milligna]

I wonder what the pricing will be for episodes 2 and 3... if they ever get to those. 4 "AAA"-style games, huh? From a company who has never delivered one before, led by a man who hasn't delivered a game since the 90s. What could possibly go wrong.

Oh yeah! (gestures at everything that went wrong so far)

 

[1500]

Oh i haven't noticed that, doesn't the description says it gives you access to AC though, access to the actual alpha of the PU right now?

Squadron 42 is currently in development. On release, it will be available for download to all who purchase this package. The Arena Commander dogfighting module can be accessed immediately and will be continually updated as Star Citizen is developed.

Nope, does not give you access to the baby system, just AC. Would make little difference anyway, as its for SQ42 not SC.

 

[Voivod]

What I learned about gaming development since the new CoD trailer was mentioned on this topic:

-CoD is for children, SC is for men.
-SM isn't canceled, they could have released it already (in two weeks) if they wanted.
-Poor CIG had to build their studio with 113million dollars of un-accountable backer money. It's hard spending money however you like guys (What is it now...11 companies and 7 different mo-cap studios?). Because of this you can't compare them with any other company ever, because they're a special little snowflake.
-Activision had a ready engine to make their new game, CIG didn't (hint: they did).
-It's people's fault if they believe CIG's claims, not CIG's for making them.
-SC is actively under development (as opposed to passively undergoing development). Mentioned numerous times in case anyone had any doubt (hint: noone, ever had any doubt)
-Star Marine was going to appeal for the CoD crowd by making a game more like ARMA but the playable result is nothing like either. It makes zero sense but The Lord Croberts works in mysterious ways.
-SQ42 will have an open world quest system where there will be no guiding at all. You will have to go out and FIND the next part of the main story. (tres lol)
-Ubisoft is a bad company, but Farcry is good because SC is aiming to be Farcry in Space. Star Citizen makes other games good when they would be bad if they weren't compared to SC. This is amazing guys.


There were plenty more but laughter spasms had an adverse effect on my writing abilities.

I think people should take a step back and let logic and patience back in, instead of going all Thermopylae-like in the face of overwhelming VALID criticism.

Personally, I can't wait to see what unique ideas Croberts is going to come up with to include in SC after he sees the ME and CoD releases.
I still haven't requested a refund.

 

[ghcannon]

guys, going circular again here. please stop or we go into lockdown again

 

[Stigbob]

Personally, I can't wait to see what unique ideas Croberts is going to come up with to include in SC after he sees the ME and CoD releases.
I still haven't requested a refund.

Mech's, piloted by birds.

 

[MaxLexandre]

What I learned about gaming development since the new CoD trailer was mentioned on this topic:

-CoD is for children, SC is for men.
-SM isn't canceled, they could have released it already (in two weeks) if they wanted.
-Poor CIG had to build their studio with 113million dollars of un-accountable backer money. It's hard spending money however you like guys (What is it now...11 companies and 7 different mo-cap studios?). Because of this you can't compare them with any other company ever, because they're a special little snowflake.
-Activision had a ready engine to make their new game, CIG didn't (hint: they did).
-It's people's fault if they believe CIG's claims, not CIG's for making them.
-SC is actively under development (as opposed to passively undergoing development). Mentioned numerous times in case anyone had any doubt (hint: noone, ever had any doubt)
-Star Marine was going to appeal for the CoD crowd by making a game more like ARMA but the playable result is nothing like either. It makes zero sense but The Lord Croberts works in mysterious ways.
-SQ42 will have an open world quest system where there will be no guiding at all. You will have to go out and FIND the next part of the main story. (tres lol)
-Ubisoft is a bad company, but Farcry is good because SC is aiming to be Farcry in Space. Star Citizen makes other games good when they would be bad if they weren't compared to SC. This is amazing guys.


There were plenty more but laughter spasms had an adverse effect on my writing abilities.

I think people should take a step back and let logic and patience back in, instead of going all Thermopylae-like in the face of overwhelming VALID criticism.

Personally, I can't wait to see what unique ideas Croberts is going to come up with to include in SC after he sees the ME and CoD releases.
I still haven't requested a refund.

lol, btw if it was actually ARMA announcing the game CoD did, now that would be interesting as we know, they would want to take things outside the "casual" bubble, cause for men, you have Arma. hehe

There doesn't need to be guiding through missions on any linear way, like games as Far Cry open worlds, you get what.. a tag on your map mentioning you have a campaign mission there. As far said, this is what they are doing with the SQ42 setting. But far the thread goes, if CoD for you is everything SQ42 is but better, then go ahead and buy it.

I never get why people always act like it's one or the other "SC or ED!!!", nothing is limiting nobody but themselves to not play several games that may be similar to each other.

I don't get also why people act like SC has to respond to any game and what they do, and add more features in response, let SC be its own thing at once!

 

[milligna]

What I learned about gaming development since the new CoD trailer was mentioned on this topic:

-CoD is for children, SC is for men.

You forgot - Elite: Dangerous was for OLD DINOSAUR-MEN! Insert roar here!

Hey, I just realized for the first time in my life I can accurately use a quote from Holy Grail in conversation...

I'm thirty seven -- I'm not old!

I don't get also why people act like SC has to respond to any game and what they do, and add more features in response, let SC be its own thing!

Oh man, I agree! Maybe you should ask Croberts why he does that on the next 10 for the Man with the Chair!

I'm guessing it would go a little something like this...

FAUX-CRO: Um that's a very interesting question (hand gestures) umm, you know that there's that old joke about how good artists ahmmm copy and great artists steal ummm and while there's some truth to that, the games business has always been ummm building on each other's work, like folk and blues musicians do, we're ummm riffing on each other ummmm so like it's with Wing Commander, I saw Larry Holland's work with Battlehawks and said ummm wow we should do that but in space, wouldn't that be fun ummm and so maybe someone else sees Wing Commander and says, that would be fun let's do that but with Star Wars ummmmmm and so it's a cycle. So we're definitely looking at adding mechs down the line ummm not on release, but definitely soon after birds.

 

[1500]

There is only one system in CoD promised - our Solar system, whereas they promise multiple systems in SQ42.



Well, AC is also considered as major module. I have not heard of SM being cancelled. It is still in the game, in a disabled state.

I think they had to make a choice. They could release everything as promised, however, this would delay the release even further, and with people losing patience, decreasing funding this would lead to a disaster. Releasing MVP would calm down people and would boost the funding.

You said so yourself that it was canceled, the FPS standalone was not going to be released and the FPS aspects would be put into the core game instead. The standalone module was called Star Marine, if the standalone module is not getting released then it is canceled. So which is it? Is CIG going to release the standalone module or not? You have seem to have said that it will not and that it will. So does that mean it is still indefinitely delayed?

 

[milligna]

Considering we're almost a year after it was swept under the carpet with no release date remotely on the horizon, I'd say "indefinitely delayed" was the right way to phrase it. Lesnick's howls of protest about the phrasing seem quite amusing now! It was totally accurate.

If calling Star Marine "indefinitely delayed" was clickbait, what the hell is pumping out marketing material for it, fundraising on it, and not being open with backers about it for a full year? Utterly deceptive clickbait. They knew full well it wasn't possible to deliver it and kept the marketing whirring anyway.

 

[1500]

New type of missile. Or perhaps a new sport, human bowling. It does prove that the most dangerous weapon is the human mind, slamming into things. Man talk about unbreakable, he even gets up and turns around afterwords.

 

[ianw]

New type of missile. Or perhaps a new sport, human bowling.

http://i.imgur.com/wcE8yFg.gif

That is one tough hombre! I'll have a pint of whatever he's drinking.

 

[Asp Explorer]

What did he have to eat?

 

[milligna]

It's some kind of beautiful metaphor for the whole project.

 

[MaxLexandre]

You said so yourself that it was canceled, the FPS standalone was not going to be released and the FPS aspects would be put into the core game instead. The standalone module was called Star Marine, if the standalone module is not getting released then it is canceled. So which is it? Is CIG going to release the standalone module or not? You have seem to have said that it will not and that it will.

I think you know very well that SM was not cancelled, and that it's not any priority to be released right now, over the PU.

I don't blame them for focus where the priorities should be, not making another separate release and having to maintain and develop the FPS mechanics and features on both.

New type of missile

i've been using low-band browser, gif 5MB, nerf please

 

[milligna]

I don't blame them for focus where the priorities should be, not making another separate release and having to maintain and develop the FPS mechanics and features on both.

Well, I certainly blame them for wasting time and our money on that idea to begin with and thinking CR's nonsense about "modular development" was anything but a useless money-draining boondoggle that would leave totally disconnected branches of the code off withering with little hope of coming together into one cohesive whole. It should've been the damn PU from the beginning, and an actual PU at that - not calling it that for half a year without it actually being persistent. Sensibly building on a foundation not crafting expensive, doomed tech demos, exhausting the devs in permanent crunch mode for various shows and subcontracting incredibly important parts of the project out to other studios with terrible track records.

He hasn't been open about the failure of Star Marine and his own silly ideas about "modular development" that cost the project dearly. Arena Commander is off in the corner abandoned, Star Marine is atrophied and greyed out, and he says S42 and the PU have incompatible assets. Phew! Nice one, CR.

"Sorry, I was wrong about that but we're learning from the mistake" would've gone a long way. Instead: petulance, annoyance, "it's already in the game!" He probably thinks he can't afford to be honest since it will affect the fundraising. Well, other companies have to answer to shareholders and they are WAY THE HELL MORE VICIOUS than the incredibly obliging whale community.

 

[1500]

I think you know very well that SM was not cancelled, and that it's not any priority to be released right now, over the PU.

I don't blame them for focus where the priorities should be, not making another separate release and having to maintain and develop the FPS mechanics and features on both.



i've been using low-band browser, gif 5MB, nerf please

Nope, I have said multiple times that it has been canceled, and have even linked when CR said it was canceled. I was hoping for some new information. So we can say that its indefinitely delayed like, private servers, VR support, Offline, and 100 systems, multiple ships, and anything that does not get SC to a "minimum viable product".

Actually you should blame them, how much money did they throw out the window? How much time was wasted on false starts and no progress? Perhaps you should blame them for going back on their word and not delivering on what they say. Perhaps people should blame them for making promises to make money then dropping them when it turns out its too hard. Seems like false advertising comes in at some point.

 

[MaxLexandre]

Nope, I have said multiple times that it has been canceled, and have even linked when CR said it was canceled. I was hoping for some new information. So we can say that its indefinitely delayed like, private servers, VR support, Offline, and 100 systems, multiple ships, and anything that does not get SC to a "minimum viable product".

You quoted him out of context and said it was cancelled, as he clearly says they want to finish the FPS features on the PU before roll out SM (and they have been rolling out FPS features on the PU!!).

The rest is speculation. SM is not delayed to post-release, unless they say so, as it is with VR, unlike like private servers/offline/modding and some ships that were pinned for sometime after release.

 

[Stigbob]

I think you know very well that SM was not cancelled, and that it's not any priority to be released right now, over the PU.

I don't blame them for focus where the priorities should be, not making another separate release and having to maintain and develop the FPS mechanics and features on both.

i've been using low-band browser, gif 5MB, nerf please

Not only is star marine delayed indefinitely (or cancelled in plain English) currently so is work on the PU, they keep repeating at every opportunity that they are concentrating on SQ42 that's their current goal and the focus of their efforts.

If they successfully release SQ42 they may begin focusing on the PU again.

When they say we've finished SQ42 and are now concentrating on the PU we can reassess.

 

[Voivod]

There doesn't need to be guiding through missions on any linear way, like games as Far Cry open worlds, you get what.. a tag on your map mentioning you have a campaign mission there. As far said, this is what they are doing with the SQ42 setting.

A tag on the map is guiding though

But far the thread goes, if CoD for you is everything SQ42 is but better, then go ahead and buy it.

I never said or implied anything of the sort. Not sure why you'd think I said something like that.

I never get why people always act like it's one or the other "SC or ED!!!", nothing is limiting nobody but themselves to not play several games that may be similar to each other.

Again not sure why you think that. I never implied it.. I've repeatedly said I don't want SC to be like ED.

I don't get also why people act like SC has to respond to any game and what they do, and add more features in response, let SC be its own thing at once!

Are you talking to me/us or are you talking to Croberts. Because Croberts is the one that adds stuff whenever someone asks him a question or he sees a new release in another game
Did you really not pick up on my sarcasm in that comment?

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SM is not delayed to post-release, unless they say so,

Just like they said it was due in 2 weeks?

 

[1500]

You quoted him out of context and said it was cancelled, as he clearly says they want to finish the FPS features on the PU before roll out SM (and they have been rolling out FPS features on the PU!!).

The rest is speculation. SM is not delayed to post-release, unless they say so, as it is with VR, unlike like private servers/offline/modding and some ships that were pinned for sometime after release.

I actually didn't quote him out of context, i posted his video. So do you have a release date for SM? Or is it indefinitely delayed? Well as the release of SC is indefinitely delayed then so are those. So like I said, SM is indefinitely delayed just like those other promised features.