The Star Citizen Thread v 4

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ianw

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Wow.

So a poster on this thread who we know nothing about - someone who - like most of us isn't identifiable IRL is asking us to believe that his mate who we know even less about has been to CIG Germany and is "mind blown" and thinks that development is a lot further along than people think.

And - to give the thread credit - no-one has gone nuts about this "information". No-one even bothered to go with "citation needed."

On the other hand if you know who (that contrastingly everyone does know is totally identifiable and could probably easily find an RL location for) says that he knows someone who works at CIG who says the finances are in a mess everyone who disagrees goes nuts.

My preferred method is to completely ignore what people say and look at what they do. All the top 3 CIG bods have had public meltdowns over criticism from you know who and others.

Does anyone reading this really think that if they actually had something they could shove in you know who's face and say "look how much we've achieved - you're wrong!" that they wouldn't do exactly that with bells on?

NDA my hairy spotty behind! (apologies for that mental image readers).

The whole NDA thing is complete nonsense. They could easily show (not just talk about) progress they actually have made without spoiling anything.

And with the competition from all sides ploughing on relentlessly they really should,

But they don't.

My conclusion is that they don't because they can't.
 

Sydivision77

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ianw said:
Wow.

So a poster on this thread who we know nothing about - someone who - like most of us isn't identifiable IRL is asking us to believe that his mate who we know even less about has been to CIG Germany and is "mind blown" and thinks that development is a lot further along than people think.

And - to give the thread credit - no-one has gone nuts about this "information". No-one even bothered to go with "citation needed."

On the other hand if you know who (that contrastingly everyone does know is totally identifiable and could probably easily find an RL location for) says that he knows someone who works at CIG who says the finances are in a mess everyone who disagrees goes nuts.

My preferred method is to completely ignore what people say and look at what they do. All the top 3 CIG bods have had public meltdowns over criticism from you know who and others.

Does anyone reading this really think that if they actually had something they could shove in you know who's face and say "look how much we've achieved - you're wrong!" that they wouldn't do exactly that with bells on?

NDA my hairy spotty behind! (apologies for that mental image readers).

The whole NDA thing is complete nonsense. They could easily show (not just talk about) progress they actually have made without spoiling anything.

And with the competition from all sides ploughing on relentlessly they really should,

But they don't.

My conclusion is that they don't because they can't.
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I also share your conclusion
 

MaxLexandre

MaxLexandre
ianw said:
The whole NDA thing is complete nonsense. They could easily show (not just talk about) progress they actually have made without spoiling anything.

And with the competition from all sides ploughing on relentlessly they really should,

But they don't.

My conclusion is that they don't because they can't.
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Nope, not my conclusion. It's quite obvious CIG does not show everything, we get bits here and there but they save stuff for usually large announcements.

It's not about spoiling even on their side, it's not about them not showing because they don't have anything to show, it's about... well... Marketing.


And it's a quite effective Marketing strategy many companies follow. Also about your post, well some pictures taken with the actual Foundry 42 Germany developers with the person in question wouldn't prove he was with them? Don't put the speculative and un-confirmed "sources" on the same box as something like this. ;)
 
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Prince Thrakkath

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The thing about CIG 'open development' is they only let the 'yes men' who tell them what they want to hear do the testing. Most of the testers are newer backers who want an advantage to their favourite meta weapons/ships and control schemes, its farce and complete insult to original backers who paid for Alpha and Beta Access. I paid for Alpha access and a lifetime pass with ED and I'm playing it right now because Frontier are an honorable company who take on criticism and work hard to improve things wherever it is possible, the exact polar opposite of CIG.

CIG likes to play favourites and mock backers who offer any criticisms while it rewards people who parrot the company line in twitch streams and on the forums with special access and NDA clauses. Its more like a police state than a forum.
 
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ianw

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MaxLexandre said:
Marketing.


And it's a quite effective Marketing strategy many companies follow.
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I knew I could rely on you for a comeback Max - but I have to say I wasn't expecting that line of reasoning.

High five!

:D

ETA - it reminds me of the reverse selling manoeuvre - something I've used myself on occasion - but they do seem to be taking it to extremes by allowing people to believe that it's all highly buggy and that no real progress is being made whilst claiming - through 3rd/4th parties - that huge progress is actually being made - in secret.

 I look forward to the online course/book we can no doubt expect at some point in the future!
 
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MaxLexandre

MaxLexandre
ianw said:
I knew I could rely on you for a comeback Max - but I have to say I wasn't expecting that line of reasoning.

High five!

:D
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But are we playing one "i'm one ingenuous little children who does not know how companies work" game?


They won't play all their cards, like other companies, neither FD is playing all their cards for sure, the whole objective is have something big enough to keep fueling the hype trains, that keep things going. There's several examples of this being played with on SC and i doubt strongly that CIG has played all the cards on their deck about this.
 
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Stigbob

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ianw said:
<snipped for brevity>All the top 3 CIG bods have had public meltdowns over criticism from you know who and others.
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They should have simply ignored DS, or replied "wait and see". Instead they went with public confrontation and trying to discredit him, which created the situation we are now watching with great interest (and not a little amusement).

They made the same mistake with the Escapist, having publicly threatened them as soon as their bluff was called they were left with no fall-back. If you lack the will or ability don't make the threat in the first place it can only end badly.

Not exactly a professional marketing dept.

ianw said:
My conclusion is that they don't because they can't.
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Yep, they show off every half finished version of a spaceships concept art at every opportunity. If they had anything to show off they'd be splurging it all over the place.
 

MaxLexandre

MaxLexandre
On a post about SC that is not the same posts about CIG on an infinite loop, here's the Javelin Escape Pod Sneak Peak:


[IMGUR]3pwpc[/IMGUR]
 

ianw

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MaxLexandre said:
But are we playing one "i'm one ingenuous little children who does not know how companies work" game?


They won't play all their cards, like other companies, neither FD is playing all their cards for sure, the whole objective is have something big enough to keep fueling the hype trains, that keep things going. There's several examples of this being played with on SC.
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Well I can see that up to a point but keeping the hype train going on the suburban line whilst all kinds of competition is flying past you on the fast non-stop line doesn't really work.

But enough of these analogies.

(I think the phrase you were looking for was "i'm an ingenuous little child who does not know how companies work")
 

1500

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ianw said:
Wow.

So a poster on this thread who we know nothing about - someone who - like most of us isn't identifiable IRL is asking us to believe that his mate who we know even less about has been to CIG Germany and is "mind blown" and thinks that development is a lot further along than people think.

And - to give the thread credit - no-one has gone nuts about this "information". No-one even bothered to go with "citation needed."

On the other hand if you know who (that contrastingly everyone does know is totally identifiable and could probably easily find an RL location for) says that he knows someone who works at CIG who says the finances are in a mess everyone who disagrees goes nuts.

My preferred method is to completely ignore what people say and look at what they do. All the top 3 CIG bods have had public meltdowns over criticism from you know who and others.

Does anyone reading this really think that if they actually had something they could shove in you know who's face and say "look how much we've achieved - you're wrong!" that they wouldn't do exactly that with bells on?

NDA my hairy spotty behind! (apologies for that mental image readers).

The whole NDA thing is complete nonsense. They could easily show (not just talk about) progress they actually have made without spoiling anything.

And with the competition from all sides ploughing on relentlessly they really should,

But they don't.

My conclusion is that they don't because they can't.
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Ya the double standards is funny. As long as its positive toward CIG any rumor is considered to be true or viable, while anything negative gets shot down and attacked. Meanwhile INN edits and changes CIG's own words to mean something else and no one seems to care. They constantly take "if", "perhaps", and "would like too" and turn them into "yes". Yet they are taken as a source for accurate information on SC.

If CIG had anything to show they would be shoving it into our faces. Just look at that low quality PG tech they showed us, it was clear they were desperate to show something, and that was the best they could come up with.
 
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1500

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ianw said:
Absolutely - unfortunately they went the other way and just fuelled the fire.

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So 2.4 - imminent or "2 weeks?"
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Can't it be both? After all Star Marine was both imminent and "2 weeks" (lol never mind "weeks not months"-Ben Lasnick Developer), and now its in limbo.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
1500 said:
Can't it be both? After all Star Marine was both imminent and "2 weeks" (lol never mind "weeks not months"-Ben Lasnick Developer), and now its in limbo.
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It's in the game already haven't you noticed the enormous amount of COD-killing red hot FPS action there is to be had in the poo ?.
 

lysan

lysan
ianw said:
Wow.

So a poster on this thread who we know nothing about - someone who - like most of us isn't identifiable IRL is asking us to believe that his mate who we know even less about has been to CIG Germany and is "mind blown" and thinks that development is a lot further along than people think.

And - to give the thread credit - no-one has gone nuts about this "information". No-one even bothered to go with "citation needed."

On the other hand if you know who (that contrastingly everyone does know is totally identifiable and could probably easily find an RL location for) says that he knows someone who works at CIG who says the finances are in a mess everyone who disagrees goes nuts.

My preferred method is to completely ignore what people say and look at what they do. All the top 3 CIG bods have had public meltdowns over criticism from you know who and others.

Does anyone reading this really think that if they actually had something they could shove in you know who's face and say "look how much we've achieved - you're wrong!" that they wouldn't do exactly that with bells on?

NDA my hairy spotty behind! (apologies for that mental image readers).

The whole NDA thing is complete nonsense. They could easily show (not just talk about) progress they actually have made without spoiling anything.

And with the competition from all sides ploughing on relentlessly they really should,

But they don't.

My conclusion is that they don't because they can't.
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I share that evaluation, however in the future I would ask you to shave! that stuff is very scary O.O
 

milligna

milligna
The Infinite Warfare devs probably had a nice giggle about that article in January. Boy, when that comes out the comments sections of all the pieces on it are going to be filled with Angry Young Lesnicks complaining about journalists not doing enough "research." Journos today don't get that you need to have watched the full run of Wingman's Hangar and every episode of ATV at least twice before opining on this project! I think what these guys don't appreciate is clueless journos write much kinder pieces about Star Citizen. If they DID watch all the videos and keep track of all the conflicting promises, the articles would be WAY THE HELL HARSHER.

Roberts explained: "[Stealth] is part of the core design. We are trying to make the FPS gameplay itself be more tactical, less just 'run and gun'. Especially since it is more lethal than you would normally expect with a Call of Duty or something."

Mmm, yes. I can see how tactical it is right now, since it's "in the game." Really tactical stuff. It's a good thing they nailed stealth mechanics for the core design almost five years into the project. Oh wait, stealth mechanics aren't in yet? What year will the core design be attempted, then?

"We have vents where you can sneak around or crawl around in and outflank people and do stuff like that."

Well enough about the Santa Monica offices, what about in the game?
 
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