Would also like to note. You don't hear me complain (maybe a little jab or a ''There are bigger fish to fry'' comment) when I get a player faction of bounty hunters or what have you after me. Nor do I hear a bunch of people defending pirates from bounty hunters. What Robigo runners are doing is for the most part illegal smuggeling and the fact that Robigo is such a well known place for smuggeling and there is to expected to be some sort of law enforcment out there. Hell it's suprising other goverments haven't put out more and different countermeasures against Robigo so it's good that the players are driving the narrative somewhat here.
want to make new sub faction
- Thread starter Upstairs Shroom
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I have an idea, if you don't like this sub faction being a vigilante force, you could convince or hire another sub faction to go and make the space ways safe for smugglers. Don't whine, improvise and play the game.
After initially reading this post I slipped into my leather chaps and was about to get on my high horse to criticise shroom for his attitude, however after reading through the rest of the posts I must begrudgingly admit that everyone has made some valid points.
It's true, there is little difference between being scanned by an NPC and a player, as long as the player is actively role playing some kind of law enforcement, although the OP read more like spite to me, but anyway, the end result is still the same and I will admit Robigo runs do seem a little easy at the mo.
I've recently reset my secondary GT and restarted the game and you would have seen me over the weekend in Robigo in my nice shiny new cobra. Hadn't been able to A rate it so D rated thrusters and B on the fsd, 35 jumps with security and pirate npc's on my ass all the way, plus I was fuel scooping as well. Yet I made all three drops, now another challenge at the robigo end may be fun, although I'm not sure about this capability of players scanning you whilst still in the hanger, I though you needed line of sight?
But if your interested Shroom, I'll be over there Friday evening ,I'll look out for you.
Incidentally, not all the shadow missions are smuggling, some are courier missions and trade missions where legitimate business's are trying to hide transactions from competitors, so the 'space cop' RP may have holes in it.
Just saying o7
Yea the space cop RP has some holes in it but so does Robigo in general. Where is the law enforcment from other goverments? How is Robigo still producing slaves? Why is it still so profitable?
By the way, error, have you tried using a wake scanner?
Never used one myself so don't know the effectiveness
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Surely a more realistic scenario would be illegal or controlled goods being smuggled to robigo
Never used one myself so don't know the effectiveness
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Good points, well put, also, has it ever occurred to anyone else, all these slaves coming from one of the most remote outposts.
Surely a more realistic scenario would be illegal or controlled goods being smuggled to robigo
Wake scanner is rather useless. 10 seconds for a scan 25 for charge and another 5-10 for the loading screen. Meanwhile the target is already jumping to another system or low waked.
Yea, thought so, it could do with a buff, maybe if you automatically locked on to your target or their low/high wake as you dropped into the next system, you could have a hot pursuit across the galaxy ending in a chase to the final delivery point....that would be kinda cool
Ah, the Cargo Scanner. What a fickle mistress.
I am against Robigo. But I've never actively tried to stop anyone either, so my first reaction to OP was "here we go again." I think OP is just griefing, however it has been discussed before that griefing is a valid game choice. It all comes down to tact. If I'm going to go grief, I sure as heck am not going to post it on the forums.
This particular thread is interesting because some of the points brought up. So if Piracy is a valid game choice, why not Cargo Scanning? Scans have been used maliciously in this manner before. Does anyone remember when people used to KWS Wanted CMDR's outside a Station to have the it open fire and kill them as they tried to land? Does that still work?
If OP was griefing by Interdicting and killing Robigo Smugglers due to his RP stylings, would OP be getting the same response here or is Cargo Scanning even more publicly frowned upon? And if so, why? All are valid choices, not exploits.
Seems more that people just don't want to have to adapt to adversity. Find a solution. This OP doesn't like Robigo as a general rule, this is OP's solution. If you go out to Robigo, have a solution in mind in case you run into OP. The response from Smugglers shows just how much this ONE system can cause ripples through the community. And that is one of my main two problems with Robigo. It's too valuable, there is no substitute. Nothing else in-game compares to it. That needs to be re-evaluated.
Shadow Deliveries are super fun, I can see that as clear as day. They are one of the most engaging mission types available.
So if the argument is not to take away a game-style because it ruins people having fun in their purchased game, I ask this:
"Would you still be doing Robigo if each mission paid out 500,000cr? A stack of missions brings in 3-4 million, but retains all the fun parts of Shadow Deliveries. Would you still do it because it's fun, or was it the stupid high payouts the whole time after all?"
I am against Robigo. But I've never actively tried to stop anyone either, so my first reaction to OP was "here we go again." I think OP is just griefing, however it has been discussed before that griefing is a valid game choice. It all comes down to tact. If I'm going to go grief, I sure as heck am not going to post it on the forums.
This particular thread is interesting because some of the points brought up. So if Piracy is a valid game choice, why not Cargo Scanning? Scans have been used maliciously in this manner before. Does anyone remember when people used to KWS Wanted CMDR's outside a Station to have the it open fire and kill them as they tried to land? Does that still work?
If OP was griefing by Interdicting and killing Robigo Smugglers due to his RP stylings, would OP be getting the same response here or is Cargo Scanning even more publicly frowned upon? And if so, why? All are valid choices, not exploits.
Seems more that people just don't want to have to adapt to adversity. Find a solution. This OP doesn't like Robigo as a general rule, this is OP's solution. If you go out to Robigo, have a solution in mind in case you run into OP. The response from Smugglers shows just how much this ONE system can cause ripples through the community. And that is one of my main two problems with Robigo. It's too valuable, there is no substitute. Nothing else in-game compares to it. That needs to be re-evaluated.
Shadow Deliveries are super fun, I can see that as clear as day. They are one of the most engaging mission types available.
So if the argument is not to take away a game-style because it ruins people having fun in their purchased game, I ask this:
"Would you still be doing Robigo if each mission paid out 500,000cr? A stack of missions brings in 3-4 million, but retains all the fun parts of Shadow Deliveries. Would you still do it because it's fun, or was it the stupid high payouts the whole time after all?"
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I'd say this would work for me, or instead keep the large payouts but make them rare, or even limit how many you can take on somehow, also if these types of long range missions were available all over the bubble
Absolutely.
Yes, the payout is ridiculous compared to rewards for other challenges the game provides and I hope this is being addressed. However without a doubt long range smugling is one of my favourite things to do in ED (along side Exploration). My favourite ship is the Cobra MK III and I have almost perfected the fast approach to the letter box and landing. I take great pride in being able to avoid Security Services and high speed.
It's... immersive for me.
And when/If the big payouts die I will still visit Robigo.
P.S I am an Expert in RES combat and don't consider myself to be a great PVP combat pilot because I don't enjoy that side of the game as much, but why should that make me LESS of an Expert or Elite at Smuggling, or Cobra Piloting or Exploration. I don't own a Corv or do I have billions of credits, I have a humble bank balance that allows me to have several Cobras in the garage and also has allowed me to play around with the FDL and very basic Conda builds.
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If the dev's introduced the ability to do law enforcement it would make the OP less of a cockwomble out to ruin someone's game play with no real justification. If it was ruining fox hunting then fair play but it's out to ruin someone's fun for no reason than you don't like them getting some fast cash. If it was a actual law enforcement role( which the dev's need to add with a blue light module as well) then I'd back the op as he would be playing a role which could lead to some fun cat and mouse action as you try to liberate some poor souls from enslavement . If you want to do this scan Marlky you have to give them a fricken chance, get a wake scanner and give them up to the count of 5 ready or not here I come, if you catch them then hurray you if not they live to fight another day just don't be a knobber about it
no visual or line of sight is needed for a player to do a scan. This is why I'm against of scanning people inside the station. Sitting in the front door waiting for them to come out and then scanning? it is more "playing" but it also gives them a chance to escape so it goes against the rules of "locking down" robigo.
that said, there is shadow deliveries and smugfling mission everywhere, just the ones in robigo are both, too many and highly paid. is it bad? I don't think so. is it hard? I don't think it is.
I'm not a fan of robigo, IMO there should be game mechanic that gives a good reward for every ED career. I'd be happy if the best smuggling gives a rough same income as the best RES and the best trading, and also the best pirating, but this is just an opinion.
that said, there is shadow deliveries and smugfling mission everywhere, just the ones in robigo are both, too many and highly paid. is it bad? I don't think so. is it hard? I don't think it is.
I'm not a fan of robigo, IMO there should be game mechanic that gives a good reward for every ED career. I'd be happy if the best smuggling gives a rough same income as the best RES and the best trading, and also the best pirating, but this is just an opinion.
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He can play the game he wants but it doesn't make him any less a Jackass. There was no Hypocrisy in my prior reply.
I agree with you, didn't find it Hypocrit at all. [up]
Good points, well made. Have a rep.
For me the only issue with OP is that his stated reason is meta not RP. It's splitting hairs frankly, as a case can easily be made for his idea being a valid RP proposition. His issue is with the PLAYERS at Robigo. Frankly there's an argument that OP should be modded, it constitutes negativity towards other players who are playing in a legitimate way.
The heart of the problem is that many of us like our RP but things like Robigo are meta-led mechanics (FDev simply catering for those players who want the big ships NOW, dammit). It's game logic, plain and simple. No, it's not 'fair' as such, but it's a contrivance that encourages those players to keep playing, rather than quitting the game because it takes too long to get rich. Ironically, the problem kinda of sorts itself out - the Robigo runners who are just crazy impatient to get to the big shinies will, once they've got them, then get bored wondering what to do and quit the game anyway. Personally, I grind the creds the hard way - it's why I'm still in a Cobra despite playing since Feb. But raging in RL that some players are getting stuff easily is, as already noted, negativity towards other players and their playstyles.
I think the idea of a faction dedicated to this cause is fine. I'd just prefer is was for RP reasons, not meta/RL reasons. I'd have loved it if OP RP'd it, saying 'Local galactic security is too lax near Robigo. These smugglers must be brought to book.' I could really buy into that. Getting upset with other players? Not so much.
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I'd be tempted to complain about filtering again here, if it weren't for the fact that 'cockwomble' just became my newest favourite word. LOL Repped.
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Direct insults aren't always helpful though.
Unless it's 'cockwomble'.
I think the primary issue here is this. Playing the game how you want is all well and good. If you want to be a and kill folk for no reason, more power to you.
the problem arises when it becomes less about how you want to play the game and more about how you think others should play. OP isn't doing this because he thinks smuggling is wrong and wants to catch smugglers in the act. He's doing it because he thinks other new players are earning money faster than he did as a new player and wants to ruin their day out of spite.
he isn't concerning himself with how he wants to play, he's concerning himself with how much money everyone else is making.
the problem arises when it becomes less about how you want to play the game and more about how you think others should play. OP isn't doing this because he thinks smuggling is wrong and wants to catch smugglers in the act. He's doing it because he thinks other new players are earning money faster than he did as a new player and wants to ruin their day out of spite.
he isn't concerning himself with how he wants to play, he's concerning himself with how much money everyone else is making.
This is stupid tbh. Who are you to decide what is and is not acceptable in a PUBLIC game? I say to each their own. It's almost like saying hey I don't like the way your fixing up your car, so I am going to sit outside the auto parts store and prevent you from going in and buying stuff. If you look at it like that, it's almost psychotic what your doing.
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Enjoy some Rep!
Why wont anyone go out there and smack his ship around instead of trading words here on the forums?
I will gladly!
It's funny cause I have seen the majority of people on here tell him why it's bad to do instead of saying, you go there and scan Commanders and your dead. I would like to see more of the solving with the lasers, you know spaceship stuff.