wish i looked at these forums before i deleted and got a refund on ED

[Digitalwiz]

I have to say i'm a pretty experienced sim player. Today i bought ED on the Xbox sale and after going through a few tutorials i thought i had a handle on the game. After a few hours i was sorry i bought ED. I'm sure this is mostly my fault but i found the lack of a real manual a huge problem. It took quite some time before i was able to even dock. If there is an ILS system i couldn't recognize it from all the other controls on the display. I fully expected to be guided to my landing point on a station, not to have to fly around it to find an external platform. tv is 60" and only found the landing pad by chance.

just as i thought i was starting to get the hang of it i got a few missions that take me away from the starting system. It took me quite some time to figure out how to get them on my hud. the radar doesnt make alot of sense with what its displaying. At least i didnt have enough experience to make sense of it.

My real issue was how the heck to i get from where i am to that point? once i fiddled long enough i set the destination, entered hyperspace and then watched my target go by because i cant, and the tutorials didnt show me how to either,         STOP!. That was the most rubbish part of this game. How the heck do you exit hyperspace or supercruise without an emergency stop? the slow down button didtn work and every other button said, you are going too fast to slow down, hit twice for emergency stop. at this point i gave up ED. If i cant stop and get to the place i have a mission then why am i playing? its not fun anymore and it's supposed to be.

At this point i was too tired trying to make up for lack of a real intro tutorial and i called MS and got a refund. I'm not sure if its the game but it seemed to me that the game should register the slowdown accelerator as a slow down in hyperspace/supercruise. so i called it a bug and MS agreed and offered a refund.

That's all on me and if i had all the time in the world to figure it out i'm sure i'd love this game. Maybe not on Xbox but the game really needs a thorough tutorial, not youtube videos that say what to do but dont show controls.

maybe i'll come back to ED someday but i have to say it was a bad experience and the developer could have made intro's that better guided me through the game and left me wanting more.

 

[B Wald]

Don't know what to say other than: give it another try, with tips and advice from the forums.

You are correct though, this game has a learning curve like a brick wall. If I didn't have someone show me the basics when I started, I'd probably have put it down too (or come here sooner).

 

[Comrade Error]

It's not a bug supercruise is just on a bigger scale. You can't fly 2001 times the speed of light then expect to decelerate in an instance. If you come to a point where you fly too fast and you are too close to slow down you will overshoot unless you do some fancy manuvering. The magic speed is 75% throttle or the middle of the blue line on the throttle when in supercruise (or lower if you go over the middle of the blue line you overshoot) the ships computer will keep the speed to what it needs to be if you have your destination selected.. If you are flying at over 1 mega meter per second and try to drop you will get an emergency drop take some damage and get a 40 second cooldown.

In the end supercruise is really not that much different than flying in normal space, it's just that in normal space you really gotta be up close and fly fast for it to happen. Think of it as you try to brake before you crash into something but you try to brake too late and you will crash into it, just on a much larger scale.

 

[Divine Cerinian]

Slowing down in supercruise works differently than in normal space, you won't just stop on a dime unless you're in deep space away from gravity wells. It's a learned skill that takes time. In my experience playing elite dangerous since the GPP, the sensor display and compass give all the info I need to get pretty much any where with my eyes closed. Again, that just takes time to learn and adapt to. Elite doesn't hold hands, it's part of the charm, in my opinion. Hopefully you'll try again, if not then oh well. Either way, o7.

 

[MickyG1982]

In hyperspace, leave your power at full until you are within 8 or so seconds of your target then drop power to around 75% or the middle of the blue zone. Try to keep your time to target in the 6-8 second mark and you will be in the right place every time you want to drop. If time to target drops below 5 seconds you will overshoot but in that case, leave the power in the blue zone and loop back, you'll get it on the second attempt.

Note,if told to slow down while still nowhere near your target, ignore that message.

If, you had said hello in the newcomers forum you would have been given a link to the manual. And if you'd earned yourself a few credits you could have bought a docking computer, which would have held your hand all the way to the pad...

Although by that point you would have figured out how landing works so you wouldn't have required it by then anyways.

 

[Comrade Error]

Slowing down in supercruise works differently than in normal space, you won't just stop on a dime unless you're in deep space away from gravity wells. It's a learned skill that takes time. In my experience playing elite dangerous since the GPP, the sensor display and compass give all the info I need to get pretty much any where with my eyes closed. Again, that just takes time to learn and adapt to. Elite doesn't hold hands, it's part of the charm, in my opinion. Hopefully you'll try again, if not then oh well. Either way, o7.

If you think about it it doesn't, it's just on a bigger scale.

 

[Divine Cerinian]

If you think about it it doesn't, it's just on a bigger scale.

True enough.

 

[Ohiodigijo]

That's a sad read, i agree on the lack of good tutorials in game but if you had shown a little more patience on ED you wouldn't miss out on one of the best releases on consoles in the last 3-4 years.

Give it another try and get some help from pilots here on the boards, you won't regret that.

 

[bitstorm]

It's good feedback OP.

My real issue was how the heck to i get from where i am to that point? once i fiddled long enough i set the destination, entered hyperspace and then watched my target go by because i cant, and the tutorials didnt show me how to either,         STOP!. That was the most rubbish part of this game. How the heck do you exit hyperspace or supercruise without an emergency stop? the slow down button didtn work and every other button said, you are going too fast to slow down, hit twice for emergency stop. at this point i gave up ED. If i cant stop and get to the place i have a mission then why am i playing? its not fun anymore and it's supposed to be.

Not much use now I guess but with this, it's the 7 second rule. As you're coming coming in adjust your throttle so you're always 7 seconds away, you'll get a pop up to disengage once you're within 1Mm**. (Can do 6 seconds as well if you're careful)

**It's more than 1Mm in 2.1. Can go up to 10Mm I think (or is it 5Mm), the further you are from a massive body the longer the jump in range.

On tutorials, there's always Frontier's tutorial videos, I think this one might cover it :

[video=youtube;jCIloJa2vS4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCIloJa2vS4[/video]

 

[Kenneth McGrew]

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i am pretty useless at figuring stuff out unless there is a giant red flashing arrow saying "this way" i found the tutorial missions pretty good to be honest, i didn't manage to complete the combat one before i started the game (i wasnt good enough at the time to kill all the NPC's & kept dying on the last one)

but that said i managed to work out what to do from the tutorial "missions" and this was back in pre release for X-box, it is a steep learning curve yes but to be honest i hate them kind of tutorials where they highlight buttons and stuff in the game because it takes forever and i just want to play it.

i do learn through trial and error which is pretty much how i learnt Elite Dangerous and it certainly lends itself to that, although if you gave up with the learning curve i'd hate to think how you will feel about earning credits.

ED is a time investment for sure, some call it grinding etc etc, but to be honest, im still playing it and its my most played game, if fact i can;t think of any other game i have played as long, it even beats the GTA series , normally i get bored after a month, sometimes a week so they must be doing something right!

imo best game on any console ever...

there is of course youtube & google for those moments you can't engage the FSD due to hardpoints deployed and you're sat there thinking WT* is a Hardpoint

 

[Fost]

the game really needs a thorough tutorial, not youtube videos that say what to do but dont show controls.

Thoroughly agree - something we who have worked all this stuff out forget. One shouldn't have to find a post on a forum to work out how to slow down when there's 7 seconds left.

All I can say is that if you do persevere it's worth it.

 

[Hordriss]

OP is a classic example of the main area where FD have completely failed. They've made an incredible game, however it is also incredibly complex and the tutorials are awful.

The fact that the only way really to figure stuff out is YouTube and these forums is bad really. Not everyone will think of that. I'll be honest, I'd have been stuck completely without the helpful people here at the beginning.

 

[bitstorm]

OP is a classic example of the main area where FD have completely failed. They've made an incredible game, however it is also incredibly complex and the tutorials are awful.

The fact that the only way really to figure stuff out is YouTube and these forums is bad really. Not everyone will think of that. I'll be honest, I'd have been stuck completely without the helpful people here at the beginning.

Hmm I'm at work so can't check, but isn't there a link to the tutorial videos in the game? Like on the menu screen?

edit: ON the PC there is "new pilots should watch these pilot training videos" :

[video=youtube;89Ssrv5YRDE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Ssrv5YRDE[/video]

On the thumbnail for this video you can see it, the blue links. Travel training video link, would point to the video I linked a few posts up probably, while that video doesn't explain the 7 second rule it does say stick it in the blue zone which will do the job for a new pilot and get them there.

 

[Kilokrecker]

I have to say i'm a pretty experienced sim player. Today i bought ED on the Xbox sale and after going through a few tutorials i thought i had a handle on the game. After a few hours i was sorry i bought ED. I'm sure this is mostly my fault but i found the lack of a real manual a huge problem. It took quite some time before i was able to even dock. If there is an ILS system i couldn't recognize it from all the other controls on the display. I fully expected to be guided to my landing point on a station, not to have to fly around it to find an external platform. tv is 60" and only found the landing pad by chance.

just as i thought i was starting to get the hang of it i got a few missions that take me away from the starting system. It took me quite some time to figure out how to get them on my hud. the radar doesnt make alot of sense with what its displaying. At least i didnt have enough experience to make sense of it.

My real issue was how the heck to i get from where i am to that point? once i fiddled long enough i set the destination, entered hyperspace and then watched my target go by because i cant, and the tutorials didnt show me how to either,         STOP!. That was the most rubbish part of this game. How the heck do you exit hyperspace or supercruise without an emergency stop? the slow down button didtn work and every other button said, you are going too fast to slow down, hit twice for emergency stop. at this point i gave up ED. If i cant stop and get to the place i have a mission then why am i playing? its not fun anymore and it's supposed to be.

At this point i was too tired trying to make up for lack of a real intro tutorial and i called MS and got a refund. I'm not sure if its the game but it seemed to me that the game should register the slowdown accelerator as a slow down in hyperspace/supercruise. so i called it a bug and MS agreed and offered a refund.

That's all on me and if i had all the time in the world to figure it out i'm sure i'd love this game. Maybe not on Xbox but the game really needs a thorough tutorial, not youtube videos that say what to do but dont show controls.

maybe i'll come back to ED someday but i have to say it was a bad experience and the developer could have made intro's that better guided me through the game and left me wanting more.

I completely agree with you and many others when I say the game has a brick wall of a learning curve. But once you figured out the game mechanics everything really opens up to you. I hope you do buy it back if you need a Sherpa add me Kilokrecker, I am happy to explain any and everything I know to the best of my knowledge. I'm a fairly experienced player and understand how you are feeling. I currently helping to of my other friends out at the moment and they seem to be enjoying it.

All the best I hope you buy it back as I feel you are missing out.

 

[tafkabb]

Hmm I'm at work so can't check, but isn't there a link to the tutorial videos in the game? Like on the menu screen?

Yes, next to the training missions (they're not tutorials; at least one can't be completed) themselves.

We've all hatched, and made our way down the beach. Every one of us here has made it to the ocean.
For some, the ocean would have been too big and too dangerous anyway.

 

[goemon]

some weeks back i helped a new player getting into bounty hunting, and i was shocked, how complicated the game is at the beginning.

i guess, if i wouldn't have been working for three month away from home, in a city with nothing to do, i might have quit during the first week, too - and that after having played all elite games before. ... and i don't mind dying in a game...

anyway, sorry to read your post, i hope you find back to the game at some point, i recommend: when you have a weekend off. it gets very fascinating soon, at least it got for me.

 

[Hordriss]

Hmm I'm at work so can't check, but isn't there a link to the tutorial videos in the game? Like on the menu screen?

edit: ON the PC there is "new pilots should watch these pilot training videos" :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Ssrv5YRDE

On the thumbnail for this video you can see it, the blue links. Travel training video link, would point to the video I linked a few posts up probably, while that video doesn't explain the 7 second rule it does say stick it in the blue zone which will do the job for a new pilot and get them there.

There is, but I don't think they're very good.

 

[CMDR Nef]

It took me like 6 months to realise that I couldn't slow down when heading towards a planet in super-cruise because its gravity well was pulling me towards it. "WhyTF can't I ever stop until AFTER I fly past the damned planet?! Seriously, ! This is so anno-" *que realization that I'm only able to stop afterwards because of gravity* "-ying... Oh... Wait, that makes,... I understand now..... baka"

 

[Iskariot]

OP,
There are several very good official online tutorial videos and there are countless ED fans making really good tutorials too.
I don't know if you can directly access the official tutorials from the XBox like PC gamers can via the launcher.
I do feel it would be a good thing if ED had a more extensive build in beginners tutorial to help starters on their way.

 

[OZYMANDlUS]

It's good feedback OP.



Not much use now I guess but with this, it's the 7 second rule. As you're coming coming in adjust your throttle so you're always 7 seconds away, you'll get a pop up to disengage once you're within 1Mm**. (Can do 6 seconds as well if you're careful)

**It's more than 1Mm in 2.1. Can go up to 10Mm I think (or is it 5Mm), the further you are from a massive body the longer the jump in range.

On tutorials, there's always Frontier's tutorial videos, I think this one might cover it :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCIloJa2vS4

What was said above, but in the beginning use 10 seconds until you get the hang of it. At 10 seconds there is a LOT of forgiveness. Btw, you can ride 5 seconds in, but you are constantly manipulating your throttle. 6 is the fastest set and forget. No matter what once you hit 4 you are overshooting your target. Good Luck & Fly safe CMDRs.

-Ozy