Is "Save"ing still a legitimate tactic to avoid destruction ?

[GluttonyFang]

you got to see them run away tail between their legs - YOU STILL WON, and in a way more so.

Wow, my piracy target just combat logged on me and me alone without me even firing a single weapon but sent a direct message:

"Please throttle down for a warm greeting from the Code and a harmless cargo inspection."

I won so much, you have no idea, I won so much from filing a support ticket and showing video proof to get my compensation.

What fantastic piracy indeed.

On a serious note, do some research.

 

[snadge]

It is accepted and even promoted as a acceptable way to play the game by the devs! FD have explicitly stated using this tactic is not an exploit or "cheating".

Could you please direct me to a FD approved post or Dev blog where it is mentioned that Logging out of game is promoted as genuine gameplay when attacking other players and being outclassed?

 

[GluttonyFang]

I think you might find a similar level of hilarity when you try and explain how you should be allowed to carry on in the way you do.

I carry myself the way I do in actual court room and interned under actual judges, not a single word of complaint, but full of letters of recommendation, what a surprise.

On top of that, I coach mock trial at a University that competes nation wide in AMTA, so I think I know what I'm talking about most of the time ^_^.

The world is what we make it, and Frontier's galaxy is exactly how they choose it to be - not anyone else.

And FD says nothing about KoS lists, what a surprise?

Oh and you're not a legal expert

Nope, in the process of studying to become one. But I can tell you that a legal expert would laugh even louder at the ludicrous attempt to appeal to hurt feelings.

 

[frostypaw]

*scratches head*

*checks* you say they sent you a message they were going to do the pirate dance then vanished? And that's a combat log to you?

without... any.... combat? As they were about to do something?

yeah ok. i'll buy it. that's totally proof they were scared of you. *grr big bad wolf*

People don't have to play an honourable game dying when you choose because dammit you just gotta chase them to protect your manliness, that's part of the joy of an MMO that you can play your way I guess. Their shame to deal with, nothing you're in position to pass judgement upon - nor any of the other high and mightys. We're all just here to play the game as equals

 

[snadge]

Judge doesn't have to, Frontier manage their ban lists. I think you might find a similar level of hilarity when you try and explain how you should be allowed to carry on in the way you do.

The world is what we make it, and Frontier's galaxy is exactly how they choose it to be - not anyone else. Oh and you're not a legal expert

What, like, "I sentence you to ten years for killing someone in a video game'.

Jeez, you special snowflakes really are something else.


Either don't play in open or play another game, if ya can't stand the heat, get outta the kitchen.

 

[SuBSynk]

Could you please direct me to a FD approved post or Dev blog where it is mentioned that Logging out of game is promoted as genuine gameplay when attacking other players and being outclassed?

Sorry i am not in the habit of doing research for people but i can assure you that using the 15 second menu logout according to FD -no matter what the circumstance- is not cheating or an exploit.

Working as intended

 

[GluttonyFang]

People don't have to play an honourable game dying when you choose because dammit you just gotta chase them to protect your manliness, that's part of the joy of an MMO that you can play your way I guess. Their shame to deal with, nothing you're in position to pass judgement upon - nor any of the other high and mightys. We're all just here to play the game as equals

Laughable, so what you're implying is that I should log on the next bounty hunter that comes after me and he/she just have to deal with it?

That is not respect for choice, it's disrespect for other players that decided to play in the environment you chose to play in.

It's the childish action of wiping pieces off a chessboard because one can.

It's the very extreme individualism and unhealthy passion for equality that leads to despotism, sit down and read Tocqueville's Democracy in America before you continue.

 

[Pyrebird]

What, like, "I sentence you to ten years for killing someone in a video game'.

Jeez, you special snowflakes really are something else.


Either don't play in open or play another game, if ya can't stand the heat, get outta the kitchen.

Wow, hyperbole and failing to slay a poorly made strawman you created. So skilled at this argumenting thing.

Tell me, how did he give off the impression of being a special snowflake? To me, he looked like someone calling some guy on the internet's bluff.

 

[snadge]

Sorry i am not in the habit of doing research for people but i can assure you that using the 15 second menu logout according to FD -no matter what the circumstance- is not cheating or an exploit.

Working as intended

So you lied.

 

[Bacalao]

<snip>
That's all.

If only...

 

[frostypaw]

And FD says nothing about KoS lists, what a surprise?

TO reiterate once more for the slower students in the class (thanks for clearing that up - you were making out like you were a fully trained professional nay lecturer or more for a long time - eta> actually we should probably doubt the rest of this info now i think of it)
"We wanted to reiterate some examples regarding the rules of Player harassment. If a player has been blocked from a private group, or a group/individual has taken every step possible to remove a player from their gameplay, then attempting to circumvent this in any fashion is a serious offense and action will be taken accordingly. Attempting to re-establish contact with an individual who has blocked a player through secondary accounts or other methods of attempting to evade the block are against the rules. Action can and will be taken against both the accounts in question and the main accounts of players that we deem to be harassing players through this method.

In addition taking action such as seeking out and targeting specific players purely for the purpose of being disruptive, to cause offence, or to upset players within the community can also be considered harassment. A perfect example of this is deliberately attempting to disrupt public livestreams such as the charity ones mentioned before. This includes, but is not limited to, the capturing of footage and releasing it publically in an attempt to create upset or gain notoriety through the actions listed above. "

You may wish to direct your attention to the first sentences of the second paragraph. Would you like them explained to you if they are unclear in any way?

OK - you have openly declared that you intend on purposefully disrupting this guys game if you ever see him purely on the basis that you don't think he's obeying the rules you think the game should have.

There's nothing wrong with you having your little hit list, young man's gotta prove himself, but when you start publicly declaring that you're gonna try and screw his game up you have breached the law. I can resupply the link to the UK definition if you like? You have FDev's definition, you have the UK legal definition - any other teflon coatings you've got in there to try on?

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What, like, "I sentence you to ten years for killing someone in a video game'.

Jeez, you special snowflakes really are something else.


Either don't play in open or play another game, if ya can't stand the heat, get outta the kitchen.

I'll fight mate - and die - the special extra-delicate snowflakes who cry every time someone won't play rho-sham-bo with them need your pity more.

 

[snadge]

Wow, hyperbole and failing to slay a poorly made strawman you created. So skilled at this argumenting thing.

Tell me, how did he give off the impression of being a special snowflake? To me, he looked like someone calling some guy on the internet's bluff.

No he lied about FD stance, I have read Sandros statement and he embelished what was said.

No need to call my bluff, just sick and tired of players who think they are good, attacking me and the Cling when they realise they are not.

Traders, I can live with doing it but players that aggress then combat log need reprecussions.

 

[GluttonyFang]

In addition taking action such as seeking out and targeting specific players purely for the purpose of being disruptive, to cause offence, or to upset players within the community can also be considered harassment.

You may wish to direct your attention to the first sentences of the second paragraph. Would you like them explained to you if they are unclear in any way?

Perhaps you should refresh your reading comprehension skittles.

"Being disruptive," hunting down a player is not "disruptive," just as anyone can put me down on a KoS list for being a pirate, it's within the game.

OK - you have openly declared that you intend on purposefully disrupting this guys game if you ever see him purely on the basis that you don't think he's obeying the rules you think the game should have.

There's nothing wrong with you having your little hit list, young man's gotta prove himself, but when you start publicly declaring that you're gonna try and screw his game up you have breached the law. I can resupply the link to the UK definition if you like? You have FDev's definition, you have the UK legal definition - any other teflon coatings you've got in there to try on?

"Screw his game up."

Listen to yourself, how is attacking someone for a reason "screwing someone's game up?" If that is the case, PvP should be outlawed all-together, anyone that engages in PvP might as well be banned from the game.

You are twisting FD's definition to your own liking.

Stop applying morality to legality, it's not productive, and only act as a laughing stock.

 

[MottiKhan]

Exiting the game in such a manner is technically legitimate, but extremely dishounorable.

Most especially dishonorable when it was actually the OP who started the fight. Why do you start a fight if you cannot bear the prospect of losing and end up using such a cowardly way to save your behind?

+1. Combat logging is combat logging. Being the aggressor makes it even worse.

 

[Zazzilas Arden]

You were in the wrong, OP. You attacked someone. You were the instigator, the aggressor. Yet you have the gall to even question whether or not you were in the right or wrong?

I know people still use this "we're not in the game for your entertainment" malarkey, even in a multiplayer game with open PvP, but it isn't really about that. It's about respect. Integrity.

You completely lack respect for your fellow players when you pull cheaty guff like that. To attack someone, and then log out when it turns out that they are better than you?

I have a few very choice words to describe people like that. Unfortunately, the forum rules do not allow them.

Have some honour, OP. Learn how to respect other people. Maintain your integrity as an honest person.

It is disheartening to see the depravity of honour and respect that these "pro-combat loggers" display.

 

[frostypaw]

Perhaps you should refresh your reading comprehension skittles.

"Being disruptive," hunting down a player is not "disruptive," just as anyone can put me down on a KoS list for being a pirate, it's within the game.

This one was easier to attack than the other point where you're clearly creating an intimidating and unpleasant environment, so that's a good call - but none the less being a pirate is a character you are playing in the game, killing your in game character for being a pirate is pretty fair play.

Declaring you're basically going to hunt this guy down if you see him in system on the basis of a post he made on the internet..... nothing he did to you in game, nothing but running away in the legal way out for those who don't know how to reboot their FSDs when they've already escaped you're going to try and ruin it every time you see him?

You and I know that's entirely different from PvP.

Stop trying to put your bizarre philosophy on how life IS into reality with a bunch of half-baked mumbo jumbo. Learn to play with everyone else - it's a GAME

 

[Jaeger]

When will you Code and SDC people learn...other players are not soley here for your enjoyment.

This is a game designed by their ilk for their like; they never will. PvP should be opt in. While disappointed, I'm now glad I don't play.

 

[Itaki]

Checks for the word "honour" at elitedangerous.com. Doesn't find it.

 

[Lemonhoko]

You guys need to strip this down to the basic elements to really understand whats going on here.

When you as a player kills another player, regardless if he started the fight or not...or even if he is running away not wanting to fight anymore...what have you accomplished for yourself?
Did you gain credits? Loot? Rank?
NO..all you did was make another cmdr go to the rebuy screen.
You gained nothing but the knowledge that you took time/grinding/credits away from someone else....
And in doing so...you fed your ego.

Some players do not want to play to feed your ego's.


Now if the winning pilot got loot, rank, or credits, I would understand the feeling of losing on a kill.

But what do you really gain whether the other guy logs or not?
Angry about wasting ammo? Legit. But other than that, Im sorry your ego didnt get fed.

 

[GluttonyFang]

This one was easier to attack than the other point where you're clearly creating an intimidating and unpleasant environment, so that's a good call - but none the less being a pirate is a character you are playing in the game, killing your in game character for being a pirate is pretty fair play.

*Facepaw*

You're just hitting every symptom, aren't you?

Double-standard now.

Stop apply morality into video games where all professions are encouraged and considered legitimate.

Creating an intimidating and unpleasant environment would mean verbal abuse against players and real life threats, using in-game mechanic to blow up pixels is not intimidating or unpleasant in anyway. You seem to really lack the ability to separate real life from video games, which is worrying.

Declaring you're basically going to hunt this guy down if you see him in system on the basis of a post he made on the internet..... nothing he did to you in game, nothing but running away in the legal way out for those who don't know how to reboot their FSDs when they've already escaped you're going to try and ruin it every time you see him?

Ruin what? Think about the parallel:

A player learns about me on the forum as a pirate, so the next time he comes across me, he'll open fire on me with clean status or not because he dislike pirates.

Piracy is a legitimate profession and allowed within the game.

I learn about a player utilizing safe combating logging that is allowed by FD's standard, but I dislike safe combat loggers, so I'll fire upon said player with a clean status or not because I dislike safe combat loggers.

Safe combat logging is a legitimate avenue of escape allowed within the game.

Can you please just examine your logic before throwing your emotion into the discussion everywhere and cloud your logic?

Stop trying to put your bizarre philosophy on how life IS into reality with a bunch of half-baked mumbo jumbo. Learn to play with everyone else - it's a GAME

You need to stop using your morality as the basis for everything and learn how to engage with people that inevitably hold different standards of morality that are all within the legality of the society that overshadows just about everyone.

You haven't the slightest clue what you're going on about and add blind morality into the bundle isn't making anything better.

The one being intolerant and naive isn't me, it's you.