Question to "tag everything"-ers

Mysturji

Mysturji
drkaii said:
Hi guys,

Just a quick question. Why do you tag EVERYTHING in a system rather than leave something for someone else? You know who you are. I don't really mind random systems, but nice systems, like anything within 1000ly of the bubble, or in a nebula, or other attractive system.

It kinda feels like the motivation is "this system is for ME TagBoy243, everyone will see TagBoy243 when they come here and NOBODY else bwahahahaha!"

Which comes across kinda selfish ya know? Wouldn't it be polite to let some others get a moon or something with their name on it? What do you lose?

Anyway, this thread isn't to great tension, it's to alleviate it. I'd really be happy to hear how my presumption is false and the real reason you do it :)

I very rarely tag EVERYTHING, but sometimes I do, but only somewhere very far away, where people won't feel like they are missing out.
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If you think that's annoying, go to the Eagle Nebula.:mad:
 

Katazz

K
I like to tag everything except the furthest object, just to make OCD people completely nuts. Doing it right now- one untagged planet 245,000 ls from the jump-in. Yes, I know it'll keep some of you up nights worrying about it, that's the point. :D
 

frostypaw

frostypaw
newman1702 said:
Whatever this thread was, I believe 3 short posts of trying to tell explorers how to play and 7 pages of almost universal rejection of that notion are quite telling, so sure, lock away :)
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that's a bit unfair fella - everyone's allowed to have opinions and feelings and to talk about them. can't tell people off for asking a question about how others feel about it - it's good to hear all the different thoughts
Mysturji said:
If you think that's annoying, go to the Eagle Nebula.:mad:
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Let me guess - every single body just one cmdr?
 

Kitty

Kitty
There has been a couple of cases when I scanned the sun, and the the body that was furthest away, leaving all others :D

Mind you, that last body was worth a scan and the others were just rocks. Haha. Would that help out the OP and earn me a gold star ?

Kitty
 

Ozric

Volunteer Moderator
Ozric
drkaii said:
Hi guys,

Just a quick question. Why do you tag EVERYTHING in a system rather than leave something for someone else?
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Because I started exploring long before we knew anything about the first discovered tag. Because I am an explorer as I enjoy exploring. I like seeing what all of the systems have to offer. I'm not in this for the credits or the quick path to Elite, which is why I'm still only Ranger after 18 months (though I think I'll get pathfinder when I get back from this trip).

I take things smooth and slow to enjoy the experience and I don't think about trying to keep a whole system to myself, or not.

What's funny is how you say that it's wrong to have the motivation of everyone must see my name on this planet, but it's somehow OK (iyo) for other people to come in and put their name on something so everyone else can see their name... :S

The announcement of the first discovered tag changed the face of exploration entirely.

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Mysturji said:
If you think that's annoying, go to the Eagle Nebula.:mad:
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frostypaw said:
Let me guess - every single body just one cmdr?
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Yes and like me, that nebula was scanned by Toad long before the first discovered tag was even announced!
 

who?

who?
Funny how this changes for me, the more I play this game, dependant on the mood I'm in, how much time I have or what kind of rush I'm in.

At the start, if I found anything untagged I was all over it as I hadn't travelled far so virgin bodies (ooh err..) were a huge novelty.
Then as I travelled further the novelty wore off and it was taking me ages to get anywhere (when I had a destination in mind).
When I visited Barnard's Loop I had to admire the dedication of those who tagged *everything*, even tiny ice worlds hundreds of thousands of Ls away from the entry point.
Now I mix and match. I'm trying to get back to the bubble before a swarm of Engineers suddenly descends on the Galaxy upgrading all the pirates' ships, and the pirates suddenly get smarter (it's like I have a crystal ball or something) so I'm rushing at the moment.
On shorter trips, I'm a bit OCD about tagging everything, but now when I'm rushing it's just the shinies. And then completely scan a random, uninteresting system in the middle of nowhere just because.

Do we need a bigger galaxy?
 

Sapient6

S
drkaii said:
Don't misrepresent me, kthxbai
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You may feel misrepresented, but that's how your post came across to me, too. I don't think it's a stretch. You characterize people scanning entire systems as "selfish" and impolite, and give the offending cmdr the name "TagBoy243".

Sure, you don't come out and say "you're exploring wrong", but there is such a strong element of finger wagging that I think you might as well have. Even knowing that you've backed off from your original position, going back and reading the OP gets right under my skin.
 

drkaii

drkaii
Sapient6 said:
You may feel misrepresented, but that's how your post came across to me, too. I don't think it's a stretch. You characterize people scanning entire systems as "selfish" and impolite, and give the offending cmdr the name "TagBoy243".

Sure, you don't come out and say "you're exploring wrong", but there is such a strong element of finger wagging that I think you might as well have. Even knowing that you've backed off from your original position, going back and reading the OP gets right under my skin.
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Ok fair enough, I've re-read it and it came across as quite finger waggy. I was feeling a bit finger waggy when I wrote it as I was looking for a system in the bubble to scan, just one planet or moon to call my own and every system I found had been scanned utterly by one person. It felt selfish, but I didn't mean to accuse everyone who does it selfish, although I can see my words don't really read easily otherwise.

Sorry for offending anyone who I may have, I take it back, and I thank you for turning it into an interesting productive conversation, from which I've learned a lot :)
 

Allitnil

Allitnil
drkaii said:
Ok fair enough, I've re-read it and it came across as quite finger waggy. I was feeling a bit finger waggy when I wrote it as I was looking for a system in the bubble to scan, just one planet or moon to call my own and every system I found had been scanned utterly by one person. It felt selfish, but I didn't mean to accuse everyone who does it selfish, although I can see my words don't really read easily otherwise.
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Not sure if you read my earlier reply, but in the bubble the main reason you are seeing systems fully tagged by a single CMDR is because when they first compiled the "first discovered" tags they weren't able to distinguish between honking & surface scanning. It's got nothing to do with the selfishness or otherwise of the CMDRs, just that there were no tags at all back then (so obviously no motivation could be involved) and they were the first ones to visit the system, use an ADS and sell the data.

One thing though, suppose you did come across a bubble system with one moon left untagged. Wouldn't you be just as selfish in grabbing it as the behaviour you think you are objecting to? You would still be denying every other CMDR the chance to get their name on a bubble system....
 

drkaii

drkaii
Allitnil said:
Not sure if you read my earlier reply, but in the bubble the main reason you are seeing systems fully tagged by a single CMDR is because when they first compiled the "first discovered" tags they weren't able to distinguish between honking & surface scanning. It's got nothing to do with the selfishness or otherwise of the CMDRs, just that there were no tags at all back then (so obviously no motivation could be involved) and they were the first ones to visit the system, use an ADS and sell the data.

One thing though, suppose you did come across a bubble system with one moon left untagged. Wouldn't you be just as selfish in grabbing it as the behaviour you think you are objecting to? You would still be denying every other CMDR the chance to get their name on a bubble system....
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I did, one of the reasons I changed my opinion.
And for your second point, no I hold a difference between one left, and 52 available
 

Turjan

Turjan
As has been said in this thread, the probability of finding a "one man tag" system is exponentially higher the nearer you are to Earth.

It's probably the same story with most explorers - when they start out, they scan everything because it feels 'right' to do so. Stellarforge has generated all those bodies over billions of simulated years, each with different stats and appearance...of course we want to look at them all! And if 'looking' also results in 'tagging' then that's just how it is.

That's how we all start...

But when you've travelled across the galaxy, your values shift. It's no longer about eyeballing every bauble in a single window, now we have an entire shopping mall of baubles to check out! And basically it's impossible to check them all because of time constraints, even if the explorer purist in us wants to.

So basically I'd guess that scanning an entire system is actually the normal default setting for explorers, rather than an active choice, or even a behaviour that lasts much beyond about 1 or 2 kylies into deep space for most people.

I'm still 35k LY from home, so encountering a system with any tags at all is incredibly rare out here, never mind finding a system that's 100% tagged - but on the mind-bogglingly rare occasions I do find a 100% tagged system out here I always go "Oh, well done! That's diligence this far out of the bubble." ...and then I hop to another one of the billions of systems nearby and see no tags at all.

There's nothing polite, or impolite about any of it, it just shows people's different personalities.
Or perhaps it just shows how long they've been an explorer :)
 

Allitnil

Allitnil
Azriphail said:
It just occurred to me that it would be a real head spin to not scan some of the HMC/moons etc.

But leave a tire track message on the surface ;)
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Is it possible to manage to land on a planet without scanning it? If so - and tyre tracks are persistent across instances - then this would be incredibly cool. Imagine thinking you;re in a virgin system and then coming across some cryptic message on the surface of an otherwise unremarkable moon. 'Emergent gameplay' doesn't come close to describing the possibilities.
 

Zulu Romeo

Zulu Romeo
We'll, I've been zigzagging this exploration behaviour a lot at times. Right now, I feel that it is still alright to scan everything you see.

Why?

For science of course!

I find it rather unsatisfactory if something remains unknown. Forgotten about. Left behind. Chances are, whichever route I take to go somewhere far, I may never tread the same route again, and if I miss something, I miss out.

Discovery tags are fine and all - I barely take note of systems I discover or explore unless they look pretty or have an exceptional feature. 1Chances are I'll probably hit a long string of previously visited systems found by other, better CMDRs. Chances are also that any new system found by me might well end up claimed by other, faster CMDRs.

And that is fine.

In other words: I scan everything but I don't aim to tag everything.
 
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drkaii

drkaii
Allitnil said:
Is it possible to manage to land on a planet without scanning it? If so - and tyre tracks are persistent across instances - then this would be incredibly cool. Imagine thinking you;re in a virgin system and then coming across some cryptic message on the surface of an otherwise unremarkable moon. 'Emergent gameplay' doesn't come close to describing the possibilities.
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Easy to not scan it. Yes, if the tyre tracks were persistent (like they should be on airless planets), zomg
 
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