The Star Citizen Thread v 4

[MaxLexandre]

By reading this thread it seams that there is a hate campaign running against SC, but its not.

- 98/99% of everything discussed as to be negative or percieved as negative towards CIG / Its Employee's / SC.
- Over that, any little thing will be blown out of proportion, this is done so it can look as bad as it possibly can.
- That is, "rule of discussion by possible worse scenario is at place".
- Hear by, the only discussion will never touch all the points, only the ones that again, can be perceived as negative.
- Rare Exceptions to this Apply.

Seriously, Star Citizen must be the ONLY game of the world, that has no such thing as Haters, the only one! Incredible isn't it? How hard it would be have a discussion where ALL the points are taken, not only the ones that fits the message one wants to transmit?

I do actually kind of like to say something because I sort of get annoyed sometimes when I see this pop up in comments like "Oh Star Marine is cancelled" or "Where's Star Marine!?".

We will have FPS and Boarding, well you have FPS and you have boarding right now.!

On Star Citizen, we can already play through FPS Combat, it's there, things like ship boarding, are not. Star Marine drama here and there, but the matter of fact, is that we are INDEED getting the FPS element on the PU, as it was intended. It's there, it's not finished, nobody said it was, but it's there. SM had not imply that without it, there's no FPS on the PU, it was meant to come before the PU; it didn't.

You do make me laugh Max.

Here's a small list of some (not all) of the upcoming, and already available, space games.

The facts paint a stark picture. By the time any element of SQ42 (maybe 2016-7) or SC (maybe 2017-8) is ready for commercial release, CIG's USPs will have be taken.

It will not, you are pretending and speculating so hard, it's just ridiculous! On current, today, the gameplay as an early alpha you can get on Crusader, is already there, as i said, you can downplay it as "nothing" because it's one early alpha and it has issues, but the matter of fact, it IS there!

 

[lysan]

I do actually kind of like to say something because I sort of get annoyed sometimes when I see this pop up in comments like "Oh Star Marine is cancelled" or "Where's Star Marine!?".

We will have FPS and Boarding, well you have FPS and you have boarding right now.

We'll obviously have things like vaulting and sliding and different kind of stances that we have, and there's a lot more weapons that we have, and they're all getting rolled out and honing it...


...and you guys are going to be able to play it in 2.2 and 2.3 and 2.4!

[video=youtube;xjKnI1W86FU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjKnI1W86FU[/video]

 

[CaptainKremmen]

FPS Combat, it's there, things like ship boarding, are not

Of course you have boarding in PTU right now.

 

[Stigbob]

I am offended by you being shamelessly false on your accusation towards what i said yesterday. Purely and simply untruthful.

Well pop me onto your ignore list, like you made a big untruthful drama out of doing a few weeks ago.

 

[MaxLexandre]

Of course you have boarding in PTU right now.

Where it was claimed boarding was on it? o.o

By the contrary, when CR was asked about it recently, boarding is not on the set to features that will reach the alpha on the next releases, aka, not short-term.

 

[CaptainKremmen]

Where it was claimed boarding was on it? o.o

By the contrary, when CR was asked about it recently, boarding is not on the set to features that will reach the alpha on the next releases, aka, not short-term.

Chris Roberts.



10 FOR THE CHAIRMAN: EPISODE 75


(18:34) BANJO ASKS: WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR ‘STAR MARINE’? I KNOW WE HAVE FPS MECHANICS IN 2.1, BUT I’M CURIOUS WHETHER THE STAND ALONE MODULE WITH GOLD HORIZON IS STILL IN THE PIPELINE.

So yes it is still in the pipeline. I do actually kind of like to say something because I sort of get annoyed sometimes when I see this pop up in comments like “Oh Star Marine is cancelled or Where’s Star Marine!?” Star Marine was just a game mode for people to play the FPS elements of Star Citizen until we could combine everything together: Flying, walking around, shooting, doing all the rest of the stuff, all together, that is what is in 2.0, that’s what it’s 2.1.

With SC Alpha 2.0 onwards, you have basically what we were planning to do from Star Citizen and from the very very beginning. If you could back and look at the original pitch we didn’t say “Hey we’re doing Star Marine,” We said we will have FPS and Board, well you have FPS and you have boarding right now and so what’s really happening is there will not be features that will only be for Star Marine outside a sort of competition match and scoring that isn’t going to be in the game and so we’re actually rolling out the FPS features.

So 2.2 will have some more features on the FPS side and 2.3 will have some more and so on until we sort of what we consider the basic functionality. 2.2 has cover and some other things in it and we’ll obviously have future, there’s things like vaulting and sliding and different kind of stances that we have and there’s a lot more weapons that we have and they’re all getting rolled out and honing it and you guys are going to be able to play it in 2.2 and 2.3 and 2.4

When we’ve got that basic set together we will sort of turn on the map for Star Marine because all Star Marine is, is a game mode. Basically allows you to play a game, have two teams, have some points and so you can just sort of have a Arena Commander style match, but for FPS. That’s useful for you to hone your FPS skills without sort of being in the mini PU and risking some other stuff, but you already have FPS in the game so it’s not like FPS got cancelled or anything like that.

It’s definitely in and Star Marine was originally our idea of how to get people to play the FPS before we could put everything together, but since that obviously took longer than we expected to get FPS to the level that we are comfortable with. By the time we got it to the level we said ”Okay you guys can play this.” Well we already had all the other things combined with the Large World and the 64-bit coordinates and the zone system so that was it. So there you are, we will have Gold Horizon, we will have Star Marine, but that will come online once all the basic FPS features are out in and live in the mini PU.

 

[Soopyyy]

I'm not even sure where they come off calling their releases Alpha's. That implies some sort of cohesive game...

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Chris Roberts.



10 FOR THE CHAIRMAN: EPISODE 75


(18:34) BANJO ASKS: WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR ‘STAR MARINE’? I KNOW WE HAVE FPS MECHANICS IN 2.1, BUT I’M CURIOUS WHETHER THE STAND ALONE MODULE WITH GOLD HORIZON IS STILL IN THE PIPELINE.

So yes it is still in the pipeline. I do actually kind of like to say something because I sort of get annoyed sometimes when I see this pop up in comments like “Oh Star Marine is cancelled or Where’s Star Marine!?” Star Marine was just a game mode for people to play the FPS elements of Star Citizen until we could combine everything together: Flying, walking around, shooting, doing all the rest of the stuff, all together, that is what is in 2.0, that’s what it’s 2.1.

With SC Alpha 2.0 onwards, you have basically what we were planning to do from Star Citizen and from the very very beginning. If you could back and look at the original pitch we didn’t say “Hey we’re doing Star Marine,” We said we will have FPS and Board, well you have FPS and you have boarding right now and so what’s really happening is there will not be features that will only be for Star Marine outside a sort of competition match and scoring that isn’t going to be in the game and so we’re actually rolling out the FPS features.

So 2.2 will have some more features on the FPS side and 2.3 will have some more and so on until we sort of what we consider the basic functionality. 2.2 has cover and some other things in it and we’ll obviously have future, there’s things like vaulting and sliding and different kind of stances that we have and there’s a lot more weapons that we have and they’re all getting rolled out and honing it and you guys are going to be able to play it in 2.2 and 2.3 and 2.4

When we’ve got that basic set together we will sort of turn on the map for Star Marine because all Star Marine is, is a game mode. Basically allows you to play a game, have two teams, have some points and so you can just sort of have a Arena Commander style match, but for FPS. That’s useful for you to hone your FPS skills without sort of being in the mini PU and risking some other stuff, but you already have FPS in the game so it’s not like FPS got cancelled or anything like that.

It’s definitely in and Star Marine was originally our idea of how to get people to play the FPS before we could put everything together, but since that obviously took longer than we expected to get FPS to the level that we are comfortable with. By the time we got it to the level we said ”Okay you guys can play this.” Well we already had all the other things combined with the Large World and the 64-bit coordinates and the zone system so that was it. So there you are, we will have Gold Horizon, we will have Star Marine, but that will come online once all the basic FPS features are out in and live in the mini PU.

Pure fabrication.​

 

[MaxLexandre]

We said we will have FPS and Board, well you have FPS and you have boarding right now[/B]

Oh, i was referring to the actual ship boarding mechanic, disabling ships on space, being able to dock your ship upon another to board them, that's the mechanic that is coming later, is not on SC yet.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

By the way is there any info out there for how long CR planing to stay in alpha phase?And if is it going to be pre-beta phase after that?

 

[CaptainKremmen]

Thanks for clearing that up!

 

[MaxLexandre]

By the way is there any info out there for how long CR planing to stay in alpha phase?And if is it going to be pre-beta phase after that?

If you're talking about SC, then you certainly know that there is no dates.

But there is one increasing discussion about what is what isn't by the so-called 1.0, i really wish for them start clarifying and controlling expectations to be able to push a base game as a stable release sooner than delay it for as long it takes.

 

[Jezzah]

- 98/99% of everything discussed as to be negative or percieved as negative towards CIG / Its Employee's / SC.
- Over that, any little thing will be blown out of proportion, this is done so it can look as bad as it possibly can.
- That is, "rule of discussion by possible worse scenario is at place".
- Hear by, the only discussion will never touch all the points, only the ones that again, can be perceived as negative.
- Rare Exceptions to this Apply.

Seriously, Star Citizen must be the ONLY game of the world, that has no such thing as Haters, the only one! Incredible isn't it? How hard it would be have a discussion where ALL the points are taken, not only the ones that fits the message one wants to transmit?




On Star Citizen, we can already play through FPS Combat, it's there, things like ship boarding, are not. Star Marine drama here and there, but the matter of fact, is that we are INDEED getting the FPS element on the PU, as it was intended. It's there, it's not finished, nobody said it was, but it's there. SM had not imply that without it, there's no FPS on the PU, it was meant to come before the PU; it didn't.




It will not, you are pretending and speculating so hard, it's just ridiculous! On current, today, the gameplay as an early alpha you can get on Crusader, is already there, as i said, you can downplay it as "nothing" because it's one early alpha and it has issues, but the matter of fact, it IS there!

The negativity (if it can be called that and is open to individual opinion) is there because to anyone with a heart beat and the ability to process information the project is poorly managed, marketed, designed, implemented and funded. That in itself is not unusual there are plenty of gaming projects that could be similarly labelled. The difference with this one is that it's taken in monstrous amounts of backer money and VERY LITTLE to show for it...worse still it doesn't even seem like it's progressing towards a viable game anytime soon. Meanwhile funding is drying up. It's a collapsing star Max.

All the negativity is largely valid and is more properly defined as "being critical".

 

[A Lien]

Why does this feel like some sort of debate between agnostic and some member of a religion? As much as I wish SC to be great game eventually playable for everyone, so far it's just a good metaphor on reaching speed of light in a ship: The faster you want to fly, the more fuel you need the heavier you get the more fuel you need to accelerate, so top up with fuel to get heavier....

CIG seem to want everything at the same time and they also seem to be good at spending a lot. What they showed so far looks totally amazing, but somehow I can't bring myself to believe this game will ever release at what people understand to be the SC as such.

Because we all know they are trying to pass what they did so far as standalone or core game

 

[MaxLexandre]

Meanwhile funding is drying up. It's a collapsing star Max.
All the negativity is largely valid and is more properly defined as "being critical".

Witch is what i clearly do not agree with, when there is a clear effort put on making everything look as bad as it possibly can. The truth and reality, as said, it's usually a mix of both, but in here, it's only of them.

 

[Soopyyy]

You don't like people being critical of a product?

Consensus is pretty clearly in the negative for this particular product.

 

[MaxLexandre]

You don't like people being critical of a product?

Consensus is pretty clearly in the negative for this particular product.

Maybe on this thread that's the consensus, because things here are dramatized, the contexts manipulated, a base of truth is blown out of proportion to one's fitting, whole accounts created on this forum only to transmit the same negativity on this thread, to a point truth doesn't really matter, as long it is negative towards Star Citizen, or the company that develops it.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Nobody is making anything look bad

All that money and dev hours simply speak for themselves

 

[lysan]

Maybe on this thread that's the consensus, because things here are dramatized, the contexts manipulated, a base of truth is blown out of proportion to one's fitting, whole accounts created on this forum only to transmit the same negativity on this thread, to a point truth doesn't really matter, as long it is negative towards Star Citizen, or the company that develops it.

Max max max, old mate, its not twisting information. The old twisting that is done, are the endless charade of CIG smoke and mirror effects. Its all on record, its on their own site.
However they are deleting or trying to make it difficult to access some of the information.

I've been in SC since 2013, got a refund in 2015 so I'm out now. However if you take a good hard look at the project, read the information released by CIG and mostly CR because only if its from CR its valid. [roll eyes]

You will see that CIG time after time has back tracked, flip flopped or just plain lied. ITS ON RECORD! We don't need to have endless discussion what has been said because we can just look it up. Like all the silly statements from BL, from when he was a child (25 yrs old). Its the same pattern, say something, then redraw, then back track delete hide.

This is just one example.

CR talking about VR
[video=youtube;nXmHxqlIMKc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXmHxqlIMKc[/video]

From RSI all video content has been removed, wonder why?
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/...n/12920-Press-Roundup-Chris-Talks-Oculus-Rift

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Nobody is making anything look bad

All that money and dev hours simply speak for themselves

Exactly...In reality it's totally opposite,the propaganda machinery of the CIG and their CULT of the "immortals" are spreading lies and fear to the anyone that dare to speak their mind against SC for all these years..Well seems that now things finally turning around...

 

[MaxLexandre]

Max max max, old mate, its not twisting information. The old twisting that is done, are the endless charade of CIG smoke and mirror effects. Its all on record, its on their own site.
However they are deleting or trying to make it difficult to access some of the information.

I've been in SC since 2013, got a refund in 2015 so I'm out now. However if you take a good hard look at the project, read the information released by CIG and mostly CR because only if its from CR its valid. [roll eyes]

You will see that CIG time after time has back tracked, flip flopped or just plain lied. ITS ON RECORD! We don't need to have endless discussion what has been said because we can just look it up. Like all the silly statements from BL, from when he was a child (25 yrs old). Its the same pattern, say something, then redraw, then back track delete hide.

This is just one example.

CR talking about VR
[video]http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/9/4081912/oculus-rift-at-sxsw-is-virtual-reality-the-holy-grail-of-gaming#ooid=ZlZ2oxYTofPI_lbsnqekiThDxSZjLtqR[/url]

From RSI all video content has been removed, wonder why?
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/...n/12920-Press-Roundup-Chris-Talks-Oculus-Rift

What you mean is:

Original Scope of SC >>> Current Scope of SC. We've already been through that, however on the case exemplified, their liability to VR remains, and they re-stated it as of recently.