Discuss the AI here!

[4gui4]

Yesterday I noticed some changes in behavior of IA, they still more aggressive than before, but are not so over power as in the release of Patch 2.1
It's still boring so much interdictons, 3, 4 times in the same trip, meeeee no fun, lack of imagination push this minigame on the edge, just that.
A game with plans for next 10 years needs to keep an eye on that sidewinder and 1000 cr that new players will use to begin your journey.
If they don't survive in this environment, it´s game over for us too .

 

[JuicerPrime]

Its not a game fault - you are just doing something wrong.

That remains to be seen. If there are bugs or OP mods killing people right now, then it's not something a player can help much. Sure, they might be able to survive for a bit with convoluted and complex tactics, but that's not playing the game - that's tying yourself up in knots trying to overcome something that may not be working as intended.

 

[varonica]

I have readed your posts carefully, dont worry, but i cant help you here, it could be offtop. Maybe you should just develop game skill a bit more, use power management, change your build. Its not a game fault - you are just doing something wrong.
Show me on PM your build, write how you are flying, how you managing power, i can try develop a solution and give You some advices. I have no problem at all with escaping from NPC and striking back them.

Yeah it's all your fault you get interdicted by two anacondas. All I am doing is running, that's it, I don't want to strike back, I can't change this build BECAUSE I HAVE NO MONEY LEFT! I have shield, I have thrusters, I just want a reasonable chance to run, but if I get attacked by two anacondas who burn through my shields and hull before I can jump out what am I supposed to do?

Oh sorry, this is actually a "git gud" response without those words isn't it!

 

[Kyokushin]

That remains to be seen. If there are bugs or OP mods killing people right now, then it's not something a player can help much. Sure, they might be able to survive for a bit with convoluted and complex tactics, but that's not playing the game - that's tying yourself up in knots trying to overcome something that may not be working as intended.

I wrote it a few pages ago.
IF there are insta-kill bugs, then FD is now aware of that and they fix it, but IF these kills results from a poor skill of the player then this player should just change his bad old habits and adapt to more challenging reality. Attack less ranked enemies, watch his back, use better build.

Yeah it's all your fault you get interdicted by two anacondas. All I am doing is running, that's it, I don't want to strike back, I can't change this build BECAUSE I HAVE NO MONEY LEFT! I have shield, I have thrusters, I just want a reasonable chance to run, but if I get attacked by two anacondas who burn through my shields and hull before I can jump out what am I supposed to do?

Oh sorry, this is actually a "git gud" response without those words isn't it!

Are you trying to say you cannot RUN from two anacondas?
For a god sake, they have 278 speed on boost, even if they are Dirty drived grade 3 then they have ~330. You cant RUN from them in Your Python?????!

IF you cant win interdiction minigame, just submit, put 4 pips to shields and do HIGH wake. Or 4 pips to engines and just RUN.
In one case you need to have at least 450-500 MJ shields with SCB (standard build for a not greedy trade), or 6A thrusters in second case. And problem simply solved.
I advice you to have 450 shields with some SCB AND 6a thrusters, You can outrun condas easily and you can scb's during escape.

I cant imagine something easier than escape from the one of most slowest ships in game...

 

[Minoo Minou]

That remains to be seen. If there are bugs or OP mods killing people right now, then it's not something a player can help much. Sure, they might be able to survive for a bit with convoluted and complex tactics, but that's not playing the game - that's tying yourself up in knots trying to overcome something that may not be working as intended.

Yeah, sure this game isn't about convoluted tactics, that's boring. Press X to win.

 

[Muetdhiver]

That remains to be seen. If there are bugs or OP mods killing people right now, then it's not something a player can help much. Sure, they might be able to survive for a bit with convoluted and complex tactics, but that's not playing the game - that's tying yourself up in knots trying to overcome something that may not be working as intended.

Indeed, there are some completly bugged/broken modded OP weapons right now (chain gun plasma). Though, they are rather rare if you stay out of HiRes/HazRes/CZ.
Other than these bugged upgrades (which have nothing to do with NPC AI), the 2.1 AI is just wonderfull compared to 2.0 as it makes you work for the kills*.

*Compared to 2.0 where HazRes where pretty much a point and click credit collecting mini-game.

 

[JuicerPrime]

Are you trying to say you cannot RUN from two anacondas?
For a god sake, they have 280 speed on bust, even if they are Dirty drived grade 3 then they have about 330. You cant RUN from them in YOur PythoN?????!

Sorry Kyo, not picking apart your points, but the Python-in-two-seconds vid does make me wonder about that. With most interdictions, even if you submit, boost and jump quickly, you'll still usually take a few hits depending on how close the enemy is. Anaconda's have a lot of guns. If those Anaconda's are using OP/broken mods too, then it's entirely possible you wouldn't have a chance to flee before they've done enough damage to kill you. A 'blink and you're dead' moment, so to speak.

Yeah, sure this game isn't about convoluted tactics, that's boring. Press X to win.

More like a bug in, say, Diablo 3 that gives a minor enemy at low levels the damage output of Diablo the end-boss. It might be possible to try and work out how to kill that enemy, but it's not part of the games regular intended tactics. Also, you wouldn't lose as much as you would in ED figuring that problem out, so there's resources to consider too.

 

[Kyokushin]

Sorry Kyo, not picking apart your points, but the Python-in-two-seconds vid does make me wonder about that. With most interdictions, even if you submit, boost and jump quickly, you'll still usually take a few hits depending on how close the enemy is. Anaconda's have a lot of guns. If those Anaconda's are using OP/broken mods too, then it's entirely possible you wouldn't have a chance to flee before they've done enough damage to kill you. A 'blink and you're dead' moment, so to speak.

The Python in 2 seconds vid could be nothin more than a bug.. or this folk have little shields and 0 pips. but if he have extremely poor build, this is not a fault of a game, it is his build.
If he have good build, reasonable shield, 4 pips, and yes - he died in 2 seconds then there is a bug - yes - this is a fault of the game, NOT fault of AI. And this FD will fix.

There could be a bug - i am no saying the game is not bugged.


So this is a poor build/player or a bug, definately not a problem with AI level.

 

[Smaste]

The Python in 2 seconds vid could be nothin more than a bug.. or this folk have little shields and 0 pips.

[video=youtube;xOvsH6yAW94]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOvsH6yAW94[/video]

 

[Karla]

Yeah, sure this game isn't about convoluted tactics, that's boring. Press X to win.

Tried that. It cuts my throttle and I get shot at even more.

 

[varonica]

Are you trying to say you cannot RUN from two anacondas?
For a god sake, they have 280 speed on bust, even if they are Dirty drived grade 3 then they have about 330. You cant RUN from them in Your Python?????!

IF you cant win interdiction minigame, just submit, put 4 pips to shields and do HIGH wake. Or 2 pips to engines and just RUN.
In one case you need to have at least 450-500 MJ shields with SCB (standard build for a not greedy trade), or 6A thrusters in second case. And problem simply solved.
I advice you to have 450 shields with some SCB AND 6a thrusters, You can outrun condas easily and you can scb's during escape.

Where's that brick wall again?

How many times do I have to post this?

Yes that's exactly what happened. yes I tried to run, yes I tried to jump out.

I submitted YES I DID. I run decent shields, I have good thrusters, yes they killed me. They shouldn't have,I should have been able to escape but they killed me,and this happens every time I leave the station, is that clear. I have had it here with people not even bothering to read my posts and then saying you should have done this and that and the other when that's exactly what I did. Seriously if the game itself isn't driving me away strongly enough the behaviour of the people on this thread has just about done it. I am not sure I even want to play the same game as some of you lot!

Dinner time now, probably won't be back in this thread, repeating myself over and over again and getting told, in a few more words sure "git gud" it's all your fault, riiiight!

 

[Kyokushin]

Where's that brick wall again?

How many times do I have to post this?

Yes that's exactly what happened. yes I tried to run, yes I tried to jump out.

I submitted YES I DID. I run decent shields, I have good thrusters, yes they killed me. They shouldn't have,I should have been able to escape but they killed me,and this happens every time I leave the station, is that clear. I have had it here with people not even bothering to read my posts and then saying you should have done this and that and the other when that's exactly what I did. Seriously if the game itself isn't driving me away strongly enough the behaviour of the people on this thread has just about done it. I am not sure I even want to play the same game as some of you lot!

Dinner time now, probably won't be back in this thread, repeating myself over and over again and getting told, in a few more words sure "git gud" it's all your fault, riiiight!

So yes, this is your fault, not mine, not the game Or just you encountered a BUG, not hard AI.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. A.Einstein.

Just try something different

I do not know how it works in England, but in Poland if someone is just doing somethin wrong, we are talking 'you are doing somethng wrong mate'. He may like this truth or not, but he need to live with it, and this is his problem, because he is doing something wrong, not the society.

P.S.
Just write me the build of Your python, i will try to help You. BUG-BAD-LUCK or You just need a bit of help. I can help. FD can fix the bug. Seems problem solved, right?
I even can play with you and escort You. It will be a fun for both of us - you will see how i am doing that.

 

[Minoo Minou]

Where's that brick wall again?

How many times do I have to post this?

Yes that's exactly what happened. yes I tried to run, yes I tried to jump out.

I submitted YES I DID. I run decent shields, I have good thrusters, yes they killed me. They shouldn't have,I should have been able to escape but they killed me,and this happens every time I leave the station, is that clear. I have had it here with people not even bothering to read my posts and then saying you should have done this and that and the other when that's exactly what I did. Seriously if the game itself isn't driving me away strongly enough the behaviour of the people on this thread has just about done it. I am not sure I even want to play the same game as some of you lot!

Dinner time now, probably won't be back in this thread, repeating myself over and over again and getting told, in a few more words sure "git gud" it's all your fault, riiiight!

Maybe there's a curse on you and will never be able to play Elite like we do. Poor soul...

 

[TT_GreyWolf]

Always the same useless answers...

it is based on your outfitting of your ship, on your skill, on your flying ability...bla bla bla

and it always comes from players they sitting in a sceruty guarded area and waiting that they react on your Warentscanner.

Hey but outside when you get trading there is no Security...there is only waiting the hell of you...

Ships that never can be outfitted to kill a 6A class-Shield in less then 1 or 2 seconds and destroy a military hull in that time

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and show me how you can get with a python away from 3 small fighter they burstfiring under boosting to the max without beeing overheated

 

[udr1000]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOoXwxqeVzg
fgor the lol's

 

[Pumabear8]

I wrote it a few pages ago.
IF there are insta-kill bugs, then FD is now aware of that and they fix it, but IF these kills results from a poor skill of the player then this player should just change his bad old habits and adapt to more challenging reality. Attack less ranked enemies, watch his back, use better build.



Are you trying to say you cannot RUN from two anacondas?
For a god sake, they have 278 speed on boost,

From the experiences I've had, they don't need to chase, just close enough to fire off a couple volley's to completely annihilate your shields, I don't know if it's a bug or intentional, all I know is you don't get time to run away.

 

[Kyokushin]

From the experiences I've had, they don't need to chase, just close enough to fire off a couple volley's to completely annihilate your shields, I don't know if it's a bug or intentional, all I know is you don't get time to run away.

I met a wings of 2 condas, they was deadly or elite, they are interdicted me, i escaped without any problems. In my explo slow 500MJ conda. I was masslocked, with D thrusters, with low shields. I just high-waked. Trade/pve Python have more shields than my explo conda, or similar and is much faster and agile. SHould high wake or run withouw any problems.

 

[Para Handy]

It is of course vaguely possible that some of the match making servers did not have the mayhem setting removed and others did. That might explain why some are getting only elite killers and others are not.

Just a thought and it does seem that people are having a difference of experience with 2.1

If that is true then it is an absolute disgrace.

 

[Smaste]

I met a wings of 2 condas, they was deadly or elite, they are interdicted me, i escaped without any problems. In my explo slow 500MJ conda. I was masslocked, with D thrusters, with low shields. I just high-waked. Trade/pve Python have more shields than my explo conda, or similar and is much faster and agile. SHould high wake or run withouw any problems.

[video=youtube;zKhEw7nD9C4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4[/video]

 

[Kyokushin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

I love that