Poll about exit-to-menu delay time

[Bomba Luigi]

Really can't get the fuss people doing about this, a game shouldn't be a when you have to stop playing. No matter how rare it is that one may have to stop palying during combat, happend like twice for me in all the time I play since release (so about one and half year) but I'm sure the npcs didn't mind, safed there lifes.
I can accept the game being a bit of a for the sake of the pvpers but don't see why it should get extended. Look, people don't wanna play with you then they don't, you can't change it. Somebody logs, you won, congratulations. Asking your mom to tell the mom of other kids to play more with you never works out.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

1) This is online game - if you cant deal with 60s or you cant do 15s high wake, then sorry, die. There is not a lot of things what cant wait 15-20 seconds. If they dont, it mean you should not play online game if these things are often.
2) and you will loose you single game progress..

you made the Poll... if you are not here to listen to other peoples views and are just here to tell them they are wrong, then I think you are the wrong person to be doing a poll. Many of us have naff all interest in competative PvP and when we bought the game it was made clear that part of the game was optional and the big push for MP would be co-operative.

logging out when you need to is no problem for co-op games. Perhaps one solution would be "Open Co-op" either way however, it is not the ones who are gracefully exiting via 15s who are playing the wrong game, it is actually the ones demanding players stop doing this who are, esp now the devs have OFFICIALLY condoned it.

PS i have never done this... but I have never needed to........ IF I did I would however and would not lose sleep over it.

 

[Ian Skippy]

I'd happily take the ban. Happy to face consequences if that's the way it is. It's waiting for 1 minute before being 'allowed' to exit is my grievance.

I'd 'round table' it with FDEV if they questioned it without hesitation.

Why would you rather be banned than pay your insurance? Wouldnt the latter be "accepting the consequences" much more than cheating? I have difficulty following your rationale.

 

[Vorxian]

1) This is online game - if you cant deal with 60s or you cant do 15s high wake, then sorry, die. There is not a lot of things what cant wait 15-20 seconds. If they dont, it mean you should not play online game if these things are often.
2) and you will loose you single game progress.

The combat situation are very rare situations, and this rare situations you can do 15-20 second high wake or 60s exit to menu.
in ALL other cases you still can hit the exit in ZERO time.

So it clearly shows the 15s delay in a combat is a problem, not because of sudden accident in real life, but only to quit the combat, relog, and gack to the combat again.

Liqua is pointing something right out though..

What is it you want from the 'win'? If it's just Kablooey from someone answering the phone, or if there's a crash and someone has to run off to an emergency, or there's a house fire or nuclear blast... your satisfaction comes from the kablooey.. IN ED there really is no need for the kablooey part unless the cmdr has a million credit bounty. No one gains anything from blowing up a stationary, ship that has a pilot not even playing the game. It'd be like shooting debris because you like explosions... well if you like shooting empty debris then i take it back.. but, ED has no in game mechanics to reward blowing up a clean commander... especially one not even playing the game.

 

[ElPueblo]

(2) you think that matters ? It's single player - no one cares - if a real life emergency comes up I pull the plug and won't be banned for it

Unexpected real life emergencies will happen, on very rare occasion but they will. In that case, if you pull the plug you should be banned (not the first or second time, but if this occurs regularly then yes), otherwise take it on your chin. That's it. If we allow this, people will start using the 'real life emergencies' as an excuse to avoid the combat without any consequences.

 

[Vorxian]

Why would you rather be banned than pay your insurance? Wouldnt the latter be "accepting the consequences" much more than cheating? I have difficulty following your rationale.

it's just cutting nose off to spite face, and would be the only way to 'discuss' the matter with FDEV, if it was in game. Disciplinary proceedings are always an interesting scenario for both parties to 'discuss' why the event happened.

(by submitting and accepting insurance screen, you simply face consequences without a say)

EDIT brackets

 

[Kyokushin]

you made the Poll... if you are not here to listen to other peoples views and are just here to tell them they are wrong, then I think you are the wrong person to be doing a poll. Many of us have naff all interest in competative PvP and when we bought the game it was made clear that part of the game was optional and the big push for MP would be co-operative.

logging out when you need to is no problem for co-op games. Perhaps one solution would be "Open Co-op" either way however, it is not the ones who are gracefully exiting via 15s who are playing the wrong game, it is actually the ones demanding players stop doing this who are, esp now the devs have OFFICIALLY condoned it.

You have your point of view, and if i disagree, i am writting why. You are presenting Your arguments, and i have counter-ones. This is called a discussion. Thats why i made a poll and this topic. To talk about this.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

Why would you rather be banned than pay your insurance? Wouldnt the latter be "accepting the consequences" much more than cheating? I have difficulty following your rationale.

If you have to go why would you leave your PC on ?

Why is it so important that you must execute the player ? I have difficulty following your rationale in wanting to finish them off.

What difference does it make especially if your opponent has gone ? (I can understand the annoyance if they log back in seconds later but say they go for a few hours - then what ?)

 

[babelfisch]

Don't want to get into this again but it's the only solution in my opinion...

Open PvP (you'll get banned from that mode as soon as you log, exit to menu doesn't exist during combat)
Open PvE (nobody cares)

 

[Robert Maynard]

Don't want to get into this again but it's the only solution in my opinion...

Open PvP (you'll get banned from that mode as soon as you log, exit to menu doesn't exist during combat)
Open PvE (nobody cares)

.... probably easier than trying to get PvE inclined players to agree with PvP inclined players (also acknowledging that players sit somewhere on the PvE-----------<player>--------PvP spectrum) on the topic.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

You have your point of view, and if i disagree, i am writting why. You are presenting Your arguments, and i have counter-ones. This is called a discussion. Thats why i made a poll and this topic. To talk about this.

no its clear you made it to tell people who disagree with you they are WRONG and should not play the game.
bias poll is pointless.

currently you are in a 33% minority so I fear you will get nothing out of this poll but frustration as you realise most people do not want to play the game you want... Unless you are going to fall back on the old, poll is irrelavent due to not everyone in the game voting, in which case

poll is STILL pointless..

 

[Kayweg]

Varying definitions and opinions are all good and well, but secondary in the end.
If somebody wants to avoid combat, his last worry is going to be if it's "graceful", what a romantic and chivalrous notion.
You can make the logout timer 15 minutes instead of 15 seconds, it won't make a jot of difference.
People will just kill their client or connection, and none of them will have a worry in the world about "shadowban" or some such thing.

 

[Nitek [pl]]

Don't want to get into this again but it's the only solution in my opinion...

Open PvP (you'll get banned from that mode as soon as you log, exit to menu doesn't exist during combat)
Open PvE (nobody cares)

Open PVE - no thank you. It's like having god mode ships around that you can't shoot. They can tease you, say things and nothing. Never ever ever :]

 

[Kyokushin]

Liqua is pointing something right out though..

What is it you want from the 'win'? If it's just Kablooey from someone answering the phone, or if there's a crash and someone has to run off to an emergency, or there's a house fire or nuclear blast... your satisfaction comes from the kablooey.. IN ED there really is no need for the kablooey part unless the cmdr has a million credit bounty. No one gains anything from blowing up a stationary, ship that has a pilot not even playing the game. It'd be like shooting debris because you like explosions... well if you like shooting empty debris then i take it back.. but, ED has no in game mechanics to reward blowing up a clean commander... especially one not even playing the game.

What 'win'?
Are you siriously care about the 60s exit time and possible rebuy, in a case when someone got an accident or nuclear war comes?
Are you have this accidents, emergiences, nuclear cataclysmes so often?

Then maybe an online game is just not for You I understand you can hit 15s exit and 60s no 35 seconds of difference.

folks, a 35 seconds will have a matter when nuclear war appear! This guy will be mad, because of this 35 seconds he loose rebuy cost in a virtual game, when he will be able to see a nuclear mushroom through the window

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

Unexpected real life emergencies will happen, on very rare occasion but they will. In that case, if you pull the plug you should be banned (not the first or second time, but if this occurs regularly then yes), otherwise take it on your chin. That's it. If we allow this, people will start using the 'real life emergencies' as an excuse to avoid the combat without any consequences.

You quoted the wrong part mate of my post. Playing a single-player-game and pulling the plug the only person who knows is yourself so who the F cares ?

Otherwise in a MP game sure - you receive a time-limited warning and/or a ban for pulling the plug. That's fair enough.

EDIT:
Menu logging - well FD implemented it badly so you're forced to wait to click "yes" which is why 15s is a reasonable compromise. Gives attacker time to finish them off & it's not too long to force the person leaving to pull the plug in stead. If people really want to increase the timer then make game auto exit post countdown and jobs done.

 

[babelfisch]

Open PVE - no thank you. It's like having god mode ships around that you can't shoot. They can tease you, say things and nothing. Never ever ever :]

Nobody would force you to play Open PvE just like nobody would force me to let you kill me. It's a win-win situation. OK, to be fair it's not a win for PvP players because Open PvP would be pretty much empty but that's what you get for forcing your playstyle on people who are not interested in PvP.

 

[ElPueblo]

You quoted the wrong part mate of my post. Playing a single-player-game and pulling the plug the only person who knows is yourself so who the F cares ?

Otherwise in a MP game sure - you receive a time-limited warning and/or a ban for pulling the plug. That's fair enough.

Aren't we talking about a MP Elite game and combat between two commanders online?

 

[Nitek [pl]]

Nobody would force you to play Open PvE just like nobody would force me to let you kill me. It's a win-win situation. OK, to be fair it's not a win for PvP players because Open PvP would be pretty much empty but that's what you get for forcing your playstyle on people who are not interested in PvP.

But what if I really really need killing you? This is not a win situation. Open play is FULL of people now. It's really hard to be killed if you know how to take care of yourself.

 

[Kyokushin]

no its clear you made it to tell people who disagree with you they are WRONG and should not play the game.
bias poll is pointless.

currently you are in a 33% minority so I fear you will get nothing out of this poll but frustration as you realise most people do not want to play the game you want... Unless you are going to fall back on the old, poll is irrelavent due to not everyone in the game voting, in which case

poll is STILL pointless..

No, i just proposed a change what in a reality do not influe on they gameplay, because of 15s exit-time they will do 15s high wake.
You know mike, ad-personam comments are not a way to discuss. maybe i am in a minority, but it just shows people want to exit-to-menu during combat

 

[babelfisch]

Aren't we talking about a MP Elite game and combat between two commanders online?

Not necessarily. Solo has a log off timer as well.