Need to learn how to fly.
This is making Trading Impossible
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Need to learn how to fly.
The progression of trading: 1.0-1.2, fly D-rated trader, be able to destroy any pirate. 1.3-2.0, run A-rated trader, be able to destroy any pirate. 2.1 onward, fly A-rated trader and RUN.
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Well, I guess Op is flying with the old loadout he had on 2.0, it doesn't work like that, now you need to rethink your loadout and modules properly so that you can beat npcs, I got blown up a few times as well while trying to fight with my old ship's setup, then I changed it completely and started to make credits again... business as usual 
Yeah for sure
. Or are you implying that its ez now after 2.1 to destroy elite python in a type-6 with full cargo hold? I'm sure its possible ofc, but easy...
No doubt that Elite combat rating took a long time and some serious graft to earn. And is worthy of applause in my opinion.
Now forgive me for any incorrect assumptions I make - but I would assume it was earned against the older, less aggressive AI. Which means that you, as an Elite Combat Rated pilot, are now very attractive to the Elite NPCs - who now come complete with "buttkicker" AIs.
So many of us got used to the older AI, earned high combat ratings against them, even if our primary trade was, well, trade. And therein lies the problem in my opinion - the problem which would be somewhat self-limited with the new AI, because nowadays a 100% trader would be less likely to climb quickly up the Combat rankings and therefore less likely to attract Elite-level NPCs.
I cleared my save a few weeks prior to 2.1, so I'm not seeing nearly the amount of Master/Deadly/Elite interdictions reported by others.
I am having some epic fights, and I am learning some lessons. The most important part - for me - though, is that I am having so much fun.
As some others have said though - High Security systems make a heck of a difference. The police seem to show up awfully fast these days!
That's just my meandering observation, make of it what you wish.
Fly safe commander. o7
With all due respect for your Elite ranking, but those 'superpowers and weapons' is normally called 'fixed weapon'. Keeping lasers pointed to a Python is dead-easy, ofcourse chaff didn't help...
here is a good example.. 9 interdictions, off the same fdl pirate, in a row.. and the game only managed to make it stick on the last time by forcing the issue and ignoring my submission.. this was all in the space of 4 maybe 5 mins, leading up to my arrival at this destination. i think that is pretty excessive really.. also wondering how he managed to keep doing that at such a fast rate? i submit.. he spins.. i boost.. engage drive.. im gone.. 5 or 6 seconds later - interdicted again.. i spent more time fighting him than running from him.
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That is utterly bizarre. There's no way that's intended behavior; until I saw those screenshots I thought certain people were exaggerating. Interdictors need a cooldown anyway but NPCs need to learn when to let go.
Don't go back to supercruise, jump to another system instead and sell your cargo somewhere else, or come back a bit later.
You should try Open, I was hunted by a Cmdr in a Clipper for over 20 minutes across various systems.
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Or kill the NPC
I think the biggest issue is folks who Min-Maxed for the old AI and are un-willing to tank up a bit. My main ships are the Imperial Cutter and the smaller Clipper, I have had no issues specific to 2.1 Because i don't fly with Down-rated shields, No shields, or any of the other silliness some folks have taken to doing. If you are loosing a Cutter/Conda/T9/Python to interdicting NPCs you need start playing more cautiously it's really that simple.
I Have plenty of issues with the AI, But them being made somewhat harder isn't one of them. Im still convinced AI dont have Over-heating (please explain Rail eagles not using heat sinks? what about SCBs??) but this all comes down to the AI either ignoring mechanics we have to deal with, or having their stats offset from our ships.. That is something i do take issue with.
Pre-2.1 player combat ratings have been devalued significantly by the new AI. Anyone flying around with an Elite combat rating "earned" in the days of pirouetting NPCs might not be good enough to cope now that the NPC pilots aren't letting their cats fly their ships. If they aren't up to it any more, then maybe they should wipe their save and start again with a low rating and learn how to cope again from the ground up. They might enjoy it more now that the game has been revamped, rather than trying to repeat the same old patterns of behaviour and stressing out about losing squillions of imaginary space bucks and a bunch of big shiny flying coffins (in their hands anyway).
i know right, it was kind of funny the 1st few times, then you start thinking.. hang on, how the hell is he managing that.. i actually grabbed the screenshots, so i could check that and make sure that i wasn't exaggerating lol.
Why is it that so many players don't know about the mechanic?
Maybe Frontier should include a How To Escape by High Wake training video.
I don't know.
I traded for god knows how many jumps today in my anaconda and got interdicted by at least deadly opponents every second jump. I have 5A shields and some boosters in the thing.
Let me tell you, not one could manage to drop my shields fully before I 'sir robin'ed.
An anaconda is about the safest thing you can trade in if you have at least class 5 shields, even without boosters. Just put full energy to systems as 777Driver says, two to engines, boost until you can jump, and jump.
Only thing you need to be a little afraid of are the imp couriers with railguns. Even then, those are not present all the time.
Another thing, you can try to set your course through high sec systems and also don't forget to turn 'report crimes against me' on in the right hand panel, functions tab. This will call in the security ships if you really have to fight your way out. On high sec systems, security is usually responding before you lose your first ring of shields.
I traded for god knows how many jumps today in my anaconda and got interdicted by at least deadly opponents every second jump. I have 5A shields and some boosters in the thing.
Let me tell you, not one could manage to drop my shields fully before I 'sir robin'ed.
An anaconda is about the safest thing you can trade in if you have at least class 5 shields, even without boosters. Just put full energy to systems as 777Driver says, two to engines, boost until you can jump, and jump.
Only thing you need to be a little afraid of are the imp couriers with railguns. Even then, those are not present all the time.
Another thing, you can try to set your course through high sec systems and also don't forget to turn 'report crimes against me' on in the right hand panel, functions tab. This will call in the security ships if you really have to fight your way out. On high sec systems, security is usually responding before you lose your first ring of shields.
I play exclusively in Open (interestingly enough I exclusively fly a Clipper, but I don't hunt people for 20 minutes at a time). Haven't had many issues with psychotic players or obsessed NPCs, personally.
that isnt really the issue here.. being chased is being chased, but the npc was breaking the rules, no way should he have been back on my tail that fast.. 9 interdictions in less than 1400Ls, he should not have been able to get back on my tail as fast as he did.. i submit, he still spins.. his fsd should have still been on cd for a good chunk of that run lol. i was boosting, never mass locked, and low waking the instant i could.. npc was using hacks!
I never managed to make it work. How much do you have to drop before they stop shooting you? I'm asking because whenever I drop cargo, they just claim it's not worth their time and keep on shooting. I never dropped more than 50 units though.
Sometimes, especially in the T9, it is a lot of cargo...also, if you have multiple commodities, they probably want the most valuable one. I just chuck 20 at a time until they stop. I think I've dropped 100 tons before.
I would really like Frontier to improve this...the pirates should demand what they want so I can drop it once and be off.
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