Engineers Amateurs

Lol...skooma.....love how Skyrim has become pop culture references now.

my take is David Braben has a hard, unyielding vision of "his" 31st century basically being the 14-17th century age of sail - wild frontiers, no exact science, and nothing close to the precision fault tolerances (and precision) of an industrial manufacturing era.

e.g. A ship cannon produced by any given ironworks could have vastly different range, precision, and quality than the same 24 pounder produced by another ironworks. This is basically elite dangerous....age of sail in 31st century design philosophy to everything (no banks, no wiring credits, can't pick up /cash in bounties across jurisdictions, no Amazon.com - can't lookup distant prices and inventory - have to physically go to station, etc etc.

it all makes sense if you rationalize everything DB does with ED if you look at it as tech paint splashed over what is essentially 14-17th century limitations. And skooma.
 
How are those diesels working out for you ?

BMW diesels are pretty damn good. Slightly expensive, but good. Just because VW decided to do some shady stuff does not mean the engineers are at fault. The blame should be on top management. We engineers have families to feed and mortgages to pay. As long as our designs do not get anyone unintentionally killed it is all good.

Now lets talk about those BMW window regulators and window motors. Those are made to a standard that makes the chinese stuff seem like quality.
 
RNG in games is OK as long as it stays within the rank range.

rank 1 - 10..15 points
rank 2 - 20..25 points
rank 3 - 30..35 points

so you can get +50% better results for the given rank if you should get lucky, but never as good as next rank.
 
Utter rubbish, Just because he is from Germany suddenly he is an expert on engineering lol.

Any and I mean ANY performance tweak will not be entirely predicable, true you can say, I am going to improve "X"....but then by how much? depends on so many factors. even two engines from the same production line will not have exactly the same power output.

This update does exactly that, you do get a predicable result, with random variations - it is realistic, now stop moaning about it!
 
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Utter rubbish, Just because he is from Germany suddenly he is an expert on engineering lol.

Yes. We germans are experts. Especially in engineering and football. See you in 3 weeks, when your guys lost another penaltyshooting. :D
 
@PanTast:

The moment the germans stop selling fake "clean" diesels and they get their completely screwed DSL (!) based internet right I will happily accept your rant on german engineering.

Although you're SO right with our ED meth head engineers...
 
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Yes. We germans are experts. Especially in engineering and football. See you in 3 weeks, when your guys lost another penaltyshooting. :D

Yes Germany HAS some good engineers, but if you are not one of them , just because you happen to be German! Also I am Welsh and into Rugby, you can keep your football!
 
Utter rubbish, Just because he is from Germany suddenly he is an expert on engineering lol.

Any and I mean ANY performance tweak will not be entirely predicable, true you can say, I am going to improve "X"....but then by how much? depends on so many factors. even two engines from the same production line will not have exactly the same power output.

This update does exactly that, you do get a predicable result, with random variations - it is realistic, now stop moaning about it!

Being en engineer myself means to be an expert in engineering per definition.
True that productions engines have varying power output. But the variation is very tiny.

Erm .. didn´t I made this Irony on and Irony off thing ...

Come on, guys, lets try to be nice to each other ...

o7
 
You really did a good job at the graphics (from my pov). I really like the missions. I really love the game. I can live with the NPC´s. I can live with the fact that I cannot use my Python or my Anaconda anymore without risking to loose it. I am a bit in trouble with the fact that I can only get these damn Mechanical Components by hunting down innocent T7´s and T9´s. ...

I agree that this is an abosolutely sad thing.
Frontier urges players to become murderers for some weired materials.
So there should clearely be an option to get it elsewhere without murdering poor clean NPCs


Regards,
Miklos
 
Utter rubbish, Just because he is from Germany suddenly he is an expert on engineering lol.

Any and I mean ANY performance tweak will not be entirely predicable, true you can say, I am going to improve "X"....but then by how much? depends on so many factors. even two engines from the same production line will not have exactly the same power output.

This update does exactly that, you do get a predicable result, with random variations - it is realistic, now stop moaning about it!

No, YOU are the one talking utter garbage...........If you took your car to a mechanic, and he gave it back to you in WORSE condition........you would walk away happy or say "do it again"......? Hmmmm?....
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And, engineers have a targeted result.....they don't just wave magic dust over guns and say "oops, sorry, they now have half the range they once did"..........
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We are not talking differences due to microscopic manufacturing deviations............get a grip....do you have a CLUE what "Engineering" is?........It is not this JOKE we see in Elite D..........but you White Nites will defend anything, even if it is totally and utterly ridiculous....
 
Utter rubbish, Just because he is from Germany suddenly he is an expert on engineering lol.

Any and I mean ANY performance tweak will not be entirely predicable, true you can say, I am going to improve "X"....but then by how much? depends on so many factors. even two engines from the same production line will not have exactly the same power output.

This update does exactly that, you do get a predicable result, with random variations - it is realistic, now stop moaning about it!

The values on the engineer upgrades are completely screwed up. It is possible to get a Grade 2 upgrade that is better than a Grade 5 upgrade if you are unlucky.
And before you start with the realism non-sense, I just want to remind you that realistically we would not have to search other planets for rare materials like tin and yttrium. They are available cheaply right here on earth.
 
No, YOU are the one talking utter garbage...........If you took your car to a mechanic, and he gave it back to you in WORSE condition........you would walk away happy or say "do it again"......? Hmmmm?....
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And, engineers have a targeted result.....they don't just wave magic dust over guns and say "oops, sorry, they now have half the range they once did"..........
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We are not talking differences due to microscopic manufacturing deviations............get a grip....do you have a CLUE what "Engineering" is?........It is not this JOKE we see in Elite D..........but you White Nites will defend anything, even if it is totally and utterly ridiculous....

LOL I AM an engineer dude, you are mistaking a mechanic from an engineer, yes if I take a broken car in for repair, I will expect a fix, you are right. If I take my working car to an engineer for a performance tweak I will expect it to be better - yes, how much......will depend on how much we want to do to the engine, what components are we going to rebuild with better materials, what the tolerances are on each and every component. This all leads to a variation on the result.

I suggest you go away and rethink what you are trying to say.

OH and I love the fact that because I like something and have a different opinion to you I am somehow a "white knight". Does that make you a cool "DARK knight" maybe you guys would be better off in WOW. I like how its been implemented even though it may not be perfect yet deal with it!
 
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You asked and paid for a BMW part, but you got a Lada/Skoda installed :)

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That´s the point. But (as I stated in an other thread before): When everything is determinated, nothing will be individual. So I am simply not sure if RNG is a good or a bad thing.

Bad because of negative effects, good for making sure that no ship is like the other. I don´t have a clear opinion here.
 
The values on the engineer upgrades are completely screwed up. It is possible to get a Grade 2 upgrade that is better than a Grade 5 upgrade if you are unlucky.
And before you start with the realism non-sense, I just want to remind you that realistically we would not have to search other planets for rare materials like tin and yttrium. They are available cheaply right here on earth.

WOW we are sore on the forums today. I don't know if you can get a worse upgrade? I was under the impression that each step would always be better, but by how much would vary. If I am wrong then, I would agree with you on this point.

My point is not saying that it should be OK to get a downgrade.....but more to that fact of people moaning about the variation. I for one think it is a good idea as long as each step is an improvement, maybe it needs some refinement, but other than that it is fine.

Love the fact you assume my argument - I only mentioned the fact it was realistic to show that the slightly random effect was quite normal, I do appreciate this is a game, I suggest you should as well and get over the fact you need to find resources to craft with.
 
I'm confused by this thread now. How do I know if a tier 4 is going to be hard to beat with a tier 5 try without wasting the materials etc?
 
As I understand it, in beta, you were not guaranteed a better unit because of the variation, however I am sure in one of the news letters Braben stated that one of the things they were changing for release was that each upgrade would always be better.

I have not yet done a tier two upgrade in the released version to say one way or the other, but my assumption was that this has been fixed.
 
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